1 edit | [Aliant] Bell FibreOP coming to Greater Sudbury! FTTH coming to the Greater Sudbury area bringing the BEST TV, Internet and Phone over a fibre optic cable directly in your home!
More details to be coming, if you are interested go to www.fibreop.ca |
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I hope it's the same service we're enjoying in Atlantic Canada. No caps and no throttling. But I hope your TV experience is better.
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| said by habskilla:Enjoy!
I hope it's the same service we're enjoying in Atlantic Canada. No caps and no throttling. But I hope your TV experience is better.
Oh I plan on enjoying it!  Apparently it will be the same service, speeds and pricing still TBD. What about the TV do you not like? |
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 mlernerPremium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5 | reply to Savillian
It does appear to be Bell Aliant. Press release was issued. »www.newswire.ca/en/story/916559/···-ontario |
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| Oh I know its Bell Aliant, my paycheck says so. Although we are Bell Aliant, marketing is done under the "Bell" only brand and this service will be the same. |
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The issues below are related to the having the old IPTV system delivered via VDSL2. It seems that Aliant can't take full advantage of the fibre connection because they only have one backend TV system that servers legacy and FibreOp. If you don't have legacy IPTV then maybe you're not going to have these issues.
Issues:
HD picture is soft and can be pixelated.
Not broadcasting in true 5.1. They're sending this simulated 5.1 which is crap.
Slow channel changing.
Basic PVR features missing. |
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1 edit | This is the first rollout of FibreOp outside of Atlantic Canada.
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| reply to Savillian
Looks like the density argument just fell flat on its face |
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| reply to Savillian
Bell will buy 51 percent of the Bell Aliant shares (they own 40 percent now) and promptly shut down all operations in Sudbury forever. |
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mlernerPremium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5 | reply to BliZZardX
said by BliZZardX:Looks like the density argument just fell flat on its face
Partially but there are other factors at play. There are areas of Sudbury that are built up density wise and may be cost effective to run fibre. My Grandparents live in Chelmsford in the Greater Sudbury area which is now mostly a residential community, where they live there are actually a lot of housing around them. Additionally, Eastlink has a large presence all around Sudbury, I suspect that Bell Aliant is actually keen on competing instead of following the leader such as what they're doing in New Brunswick and other areas.
Also from reading Aliant's shareholder reports I can see that they're more interested in capital investment than Bell Canada as a whole is. |
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mlernerPremium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5 | reply to Chuck sTruck
said by Chuck sTruck :Bell will buy 51 percent of the Bell Aliant shares (they own 40 percent now) and promptly shut down all operations in Sudbury forever.
Not going to happen. As a matter of fact, Bell Canada gave some of their service areas in Ontario to Bell Aliant recently, I think last year. |
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 nitzguyPremium
join:2002-07-11
Sudbury, ON
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said by BliZZardX:Looks like the density argument just fell flat on its face
To quote from the local news... "The large amount of aerial infrastructure allows us to quickly deploy the service"...
Its not a density argument...its a "easy to put up on poles" argument, thank you very much, hope you people enjoy your big green and blue and black boxes on your properties....with super slow internet.
GO GO Internet!! I don't care honestly about TV...want blazing fast internet and soon!! |
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| reply to Savillian
Of note, FTTH is not new in Sudbury. A local company is already providing the service in select areas with TV/Internet/VoIP bundling.
Further information can be found at »www.vianet.tv |
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2 edits | reply to nitzguy
The #1 reason Canadians have always been given as to why our internet sucks is that we are sparsely populated.
Meanwhile in Sweden you can get 100/100Mbit from Bredband2 in a town of 4000 people, through the local stadsnat, for as little as $12/month. And gigabit to rural businesses 20 minutes outside the town.
There are many neighbourhoods in Toronto, superbly wealthy ones I might add, with above ground infrastructure as well, for example Lawrence Park, Forest Hill, Rosedale. Some people here spend $60,000 on property taxes. Do you see FTTH here? No.
This just kills the density argument. |
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said by mlerner:said by Chuck sTruck :Bell will buy 51 percent of the Bell Aliant shares (they own 40 percent now) and promptly shut down all operations in Sudbury forever.
Not going to happen. As a matter of fact, Bell Canada gave some of their service areas in Ontario to Bell Aliant recently, I think last year. Bell already has managerial control over Bell Aliant, even with owning 40 some percent. Trust me, the execs on the Bell side know about this investment.
said by nitzguy:said by BliZZardX:Looks like the density argument just fell flat on its face
To quote from the local news... "The large amount of aerial infrastructure allows us to quickly deploy the service"... Its not a density argument...its a "easy to put up on poles" argument, thank you very much, hope you people enjoy your big green and blue and black boxes on your properties....with super slow internet. GO GO Internet!! I don't care honestly about TV...want blazing fast internet and soon!! Yep nitzguy is very right on this, aerial makes it much easier and far less costly to roll out
Learning more and more about this service everyday, this is going to be a game changer in this area. |
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nitzguyPremium
join:2002-07-11
Sudbury, ON Reviews:
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said by BliZZardX:The #1 reason Canadians have always been given as to why our internet sucks is that we are sparsely populated.
Meanwhile in Sweden you can get 100/100Mbit from Bredband2 in a town of 4000 people, through the local stadsnat, for as little as $12/month. And gigabit to rural businesses 20 minutes outside the town.
There are many neighbourhoods in Toronto, superbly wealthy ones I might add, with above ground infrastructure as well, for example Lawrence Park, Forest Hill, Rosedale. Some people here spend $60,000 on property taxes. Do you see FTTH here? No.
This just kills the density argument.
In reality, we are sparsely populated. I don't know what swedish stuff you're talking about with Bredband2 and stadsnat, and I just don't feel like looking it up, but here's the reality of the situation.
...Underground infrastructure. 50 years ago things were different. People weren't as crazy about roads being torn up and whatnot as they are now. The man power and the expense of pulling permits, getting locates, making sure everything is safe is very expensive in an underground infrastructure.
Since Fibreoptics are not "inherently dangerous" they can just be thrown up on utility poles next to the cable lines and the phone lines as they sit right now. Throw up wire, staple, tack it on, place the associated support equipment at the appropriate support intervals and you're good to go. You can wire up a city in a matter of months.
Underground means that it has to run where the current equipment is...who's lawn gets that shiny little box which they don't want and will fight tooth and nail as they'll be afraid their property values will be diminished as a result. The digging, trenching, because as it sits right now, cable is supposed to be at the top roughly 6-18" below ground in an underground infrastructure....where does this Fibreop line go? There's not much room left to manuvere...do they pull out the phone lines as they go? What if people don't want to upgrade? And the associated backlashes of that as a result.
Imagine in a big apartment building in Toronto. Ok, so Bell takes all the work of pulling equipment into the basement of the apartment building....now what.
Are you going to use phone lines to travel up to the 22nd floor? Are you going to use cable lines?
The reality is you can't pull Fibre up to each individual apartment. Could you run ethernet? Who's going to bear the cost of that?
Anyways, we'll see if this actually flushes out but I'm excited. Unfortunately Vianet which would seem to have a head start on the competition is major league dropping the ball as you can't get a price from their website and you can't get a location as to definitively where they are available, so for me, they're out... |
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| said by nitzguy:...Anyways, we'll see if this actually flushes out but I'm excited...
Glad someone else is! |
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 c2rothPremium
join:2006-04-26
Toronto, ON | reply to Savillian
This is great news for Sudbury but I thought there already was extensive FTTH through other providers in this market? Is Bell just trying to compete and get some of the business? Weird that they would do this in an already established market. |
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| said by c2roth:This is great news for Sudbury but I thought there already was extensive FTTH through other providers in this market? Is Bell just trying to compete and get some of the business? Weird that they would do this in an already established market.
Vianet is the only one I know of and I couldnt even tell you the footprint but it cant be all that big as I never see their equipment or fibre on the poles I am up.
Vianet and Agilis(Sudbury Hydro) have a more extensive business fibre network but not for home. |
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| reply to Savillian
Bell is perfectly happy leaving copper to the home for as long as they could cause the insane profit margins are too much to resist. Houses a mere 50feet from fibre (sudbury is truly wired on main routes already) could not get hooked up cause they had no incentive to offer it. The copper rakes in too much profit. Eastlink changed the game moving to doc 3 offering far superior speeds and better bundles.
Don't get me wrong each has their own evils but 20mbps with no cap will eat any of bells dsl pkg's anyday. They had to do something and had to act quick. If they truly roll fibre to almost every house in sudbury (reasonably priced with NO CAP "you here me aliant? NO CAPS") then it will be a game changer.
There are alot of sheeple here though still and no matter how much you explain the technology it still comes down to how much $ it is /month. |
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