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sk1939
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reply to medbuyer

Re: Telephone over CAT6

Using RJ45's for phone is, as previously stated, a bad idea if jack life is anything of a priority. RJ 11 keystone jacks can be had for a buck fifty (»www.amazon.com/RJ11-Keystone-Jac···KA3F1M); do it right, do it once.


medbuyer

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said by sk1939:

Using RJ45's for phone is, as previously stated, a bad idea if jack life is anything of a priority. RJ 11 keystone jacks can be had for a buck fifty (»www.amazon.com/RJ11-Keystone-Jac···KA3F1M); do it right, do it once.

what? i have my landline phone with an RJ11 end, plugged in into a wallplate with a Leviton quickport RJ45 jack connector and it works fine.

it's labeled so it won't get mixed up. I could have done color coding but my low voltage guy wasn't too detailed to begin with.

and here's the kicker, both rj45 wallplate connectors are wired the same spec and it's the Leviton distribution panel that's separating the voice and data. worked for 5 years now...


VegasMan
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reply to ctggzg

said by ctggzg:

said by howardfine:

People still use landlines in their homes?

People still hold tiny, uncomfortable cell phones with spotty reception and no handset-to-handset intercom and other features up to their ears and use prepaid minutes even for local calls?

You forgot sound quality that sucks.
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reply to ctggzg

Yes I see my neighbors on their piers, walking around in their yards all times of the day and night, in the cold, rain trying to get a signal. I guess it works for them.

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nunya
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reply to medbuyer

Re: Telephone over CAT6

And my '67 Austin-Healey Sprite had a stubby Craftsman screwdriver in the ignition instead of a key. It worked for years until it didn't any more.

It's also not a good idea to send dialtone down an RJ45 where someone might plug an ethernet cable into it.
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grobinette
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reply to sr1nath

I don't see where sr1nath See Profile asked any of you for your opinions on cell phones.

It's pretty clear to me that he wanted some technical advice on putting some data infrastructure in his home.



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said by grobinette:

I don't see where sr1nath See Profile asked any of you for your opinions on cell phones.

It's pretty clear to me that he wanted some technical advice on putting some data infrastructure in his home.

I think what most of the anti-POTS people were suggesting was a switch to VoIP with a cell just as a backup for those rare occasions when the Internet is down. Those occasions will be extremely rare if the OP is running brand new ISW, making an honest attempt to do it right and he doesn't buy modems/routers from questionable sources.
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reply to nunya

said by nunya:

And my '67 Austin-Healey Sprite had a stubby Craftsman screwdriver in the ignition instead of a key. It worked for years until it didn't any more.

It's also not a good idea to send dialtone down an RJ45 where someone might plug an ethernet cable into it.

if you use a car key for a car's ignition and a screwdriver to screw down a screw, then it should work. knowing what to use and where is KEY.

again like I said, my wallplates are labeled either voice or data. leviton made voice and data modules to simplify things like this such that even a caveman can do it.

I do agree with you about the dialtone being sent down an RJ45. We did test out all port terminations and made sure which is which so no mix ups should occur.

The Leviton quickport connectors will accept RJ45 and RJ11 connectors. If you are really anal about it, use RJ11 connectors on wallplates for phone and RJ45 for data.
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reply to ctggzg

Re: Telephone over CAT6

said by ctggzg:

said by howardfine:

People still use landlines in their homes?

People still hold tiny, uncomfortable cell phones with spotty reception and no handset-to-handset intercom and other features up to their ears and use prepaid minutes even for local calls?

Hmmm... my iDen cells WITH Bluetooth have damn good reception and I can do handset-to-handset intercom with just the push of a button.

NEXT!


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whizkid3
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reply to medbuyer

said by medbuyer:

The Leviton quickport connectors will accept RJ45 and RJ11 connectors.

All 8 position jacks I know of will 'accept' 6 position modular plugs. Unfortunately, they will still be damaged from using 6 position connectors from many manufacturers - especially the cheap crappy ones that come on the cables with provided with the telephones. What is the sense in installing 8 position jacks, if the outer two pins will be destroyed? Why not install the right modular jacks in the first place?


Mr Anon

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said by whizkid3:

Why not install the right modular jacks in the first place?

We did it because there are jacks that will take booth, not be damaged and last, so its not the wrong jack. Second when we decided we did not want that to be a phone anymore or as we did last year changed for a digital analog system to a VOIP system all those lines became data just by changing them from going from the old system's panel to the patch to switch to the patch.

Also since you are only using 2 pair you can use the other 2 pair for intercom, or anything else you may like (within reason)


Tomek
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reply to sr1nath

I would go to home depot, buy RJ11 jacks and make my own cable, with RJ45 on one end (wall) and RJ11 on another (phone)
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c4junk
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reply to sr1nath

You can get wall plates with different jacks (phone, data, CATV)- do a search- or on most wall plates the jacks can be swapped out, so buy some dual rj45 plates and some dual rj11 plates and make your own.


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reply to Mr Anon

said by Mr Anon :

said by whizkid3:

Why not install the right modular jacks in the first place?

We did it because there are jacks that will take booth, not be damaged and last, so its not the wrong jack. Second when we decided we did not want that to be a phone anymore or as we did last year changed for a digital analog system to a VOIP system all those lines became data just by changing them from going from the old system's panel to the patch to switch to the patch.

Also since you are only using 2 pair you can use the other 2 pair for intercom, or anything else you may like (within reason)

+1

...and how many times do you have to plug and un plug a phone wire from your wall plate that will incure damage to your Leviton quickport connector?

the beauty of that is I can switch to a different type of phone that may use an RJ45 without the hassle of changing the connector inside the wallplate.

I think Leviton made them to be able to withstand constant plug and un-plugging and prevent damage from either an RJ11 or RJ45 connectors.

Choose your connectors right the 1st time while doing it right the 1st time as well.


xbell

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said by medbuyer:

...and how many times do you have to plug and un plug a phone wire from your wall plate that will incure damage to your Leviton quickport connector?

It's any motion on the cord that will allow it to move in the wider socket.

Now what are the chances a cord will not move over the years?

Considering the RJ11 ports are cheaper and easier to install and the proper use in this situation it baffles me why someone who is advised by people who do this for a living would do otherwise. But then on the other hand I won't turn down the repair work if this mentality prevails amongst consumers.

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said by xbell :

said by medbuyer:

...and how many times do you have to plug and un plug a phone wire from your wall plate that will incure damage to your Leviton quickport connector?

It's any motion on the cord that will allow it to move in the wider socket.

Now what are the chances a cord will not move over the years?

Considering the RJ11 ports are cheaper and easier to install and the proper use in this situation it baffles me why someone who is advised by people who do this for a living would do otherwise. But then on the other hand I won't turn down the repair work if this mentality prevails amongst consumers.

the telephone wire that I have never moved in 5 years now. it's a wireless / cordless phone that I have so the base doesn't move at all. UNLESS you use a phone that still has the phone wire from the handset to the base, then it will have a higher probability that IT will move.

and IF it does need to be replaced, don't worry, I think consumers can change this easily and there's no need to call like somebody like you. I think the OP is capable enough to do it.

what is it with the new stuff that people can seem to adjust that it will take both connectors? it's not like what you think that there's too much play in there that it will damage the connectors.

even our new bldg. has the quickport connectors where an RJ45 resides on all wallplates and plugged in is an RJ11 for the phone system and RJ45 for pc / printer.


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said by medbuyer:

the telephone wire that I have never moved in 5 years now. it's a wireless / cordless phone that I have so the base doesn't move at all. UNLESS you use a phone that still has the phone wire from the handset to the base, then it will have a higher probability that IT will move.

You never cleaned the area?

All it takes is that one inadvertent movement. I've gone on calls where they swore up and down they never touched the cord or plugged anything in and out yet the cat or dog tangled with it. The chances are virtually nil of this happening if you do it right the first time. Do you not watch the reno oracle of the north Mike Holmes.

said by medbuyer:

and IF it does need to be replaced, don't worry, I think consumers can change this easily and there's no need to call like somebody like you. I think the OP is capable enough to do it.

Maybe but can they diagnose that easily. I can't even add up the 10s or even 100s of thousands I've made from something simple a customer could have changed like a cord, handset or any other of the hundreds of peripherals they plug in. The money gods shine bright on me when this happens or customers try to fix the problem they erroneously diagnosed and created a clusterfuk.

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said by xbell :

You never cleaned the area?

All it takes is that one inadvertent movement. I've gone on calls where they swore up and down they never touched the cord or plugged anything in and out yet the cat or dog tangled with it. The chances are virtually nil of this happening if you do it right the first time. Do you not watch the reno oracle of the north Mike Holmes.

I only have 1 phone and it resides in a spot near our kitchen where I can wipe it everyday with no wire movement at all.

even using a duster won't make the wire wiggle that much. I guess you have to make a consideration for people who don't clean that much?


xbell

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said by medbuyer:

I only have 1 phone and it resides in a spot near our kitchen where I can wipe it everyday with no wire movement at all.
even using a duster won't make the wire wiggle that much. I guess you have to make a consideration for people who don't clean that much?

Ding ding ding we have a winner and I won't make any money off this guy and it only cost him a bit more money and time.

Of course he won't have any animals in the house, kids or nieces nephews and grand kids, his brother-in-law who drinks too much at the barbecue and stumbles around the kitchen, the busybody mother-in-law who cleans when she comes over, the wife who cleans or any thousand other variables out there in the world who may invade your kitchen.

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said by xbell :

Ding ding ding we have a winner and I won't make any money off this guy and it only cost him a bit more money and time.

Of course he won't have any animals in the house, kids or nieces nephews and grand kids, his brother-in-law who drinks too much at the barbecue and stumbles around the kitchen, the busybody mother-in-law who cleans when she comes over, the wife who cleans or any thousand other variables out there in the world who may invade your kitchen.

that's not the point...

the point is, if you choose and use the right connector it will work.

and even if you do choose and use it the right connector, if you do have pets, drunk uncles and aunts, nieces and nephews running around like chickens, no connector will survive that chaos.

you think you're RJ11 connector is more secure? I have seen more cheap, plain jane RJ11 break than a better built RJ45 Leviton quickport connector. In fact, I helped a friend replace his RJ11 connector in his wallplate with an RJ45, though his phone was also in the kitchen like mine, the kids and having parties ended up destroying his RJ11 jack / connector.

and yes, contractors like you use the cheapest stuff and make money on it on top of the labor.

robbin
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said by medbuyer:

and yes, contractors like you use the cheapest stuff and make money on it on top of the labor.

Many contractors use the proper equipment for the intended use such as this Leviton Quickport RJ11 jack

»www.broadbandutopia.com/lequ6vogrcor.html


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reply to medbuyer


you think you're RJ11 connector is more secure? I have seen more cheap, plain jane RJ11 break than a better built RJ45 Leviton quickport connector. In fact, I helped a friend replace his RJ11 connector in his wallplate with an RJ45, though his phone was also in the kitchen like mine, the kids and having parties ended up destroying his RJ11 jack / connector.


Leviton makes 6 pin jacks specifically for telephone use.


and yes, contractors like you use the cheapest stuff and make money on it on top of the labor.


Hate to tell you this, but other than Monoprice crap, Leviton is the cheapest stuff. I used Panduit stuff for years, but they became too proud of their product and I had to switch to Leviton in order to compete.
A contractor trying to make money? Gasp! You mean they aren't all charity? Next thing you'll tell me is the Grocer is trying to make money off of groceries. Say it isn't so!

You are arguing with people who do this for a living. How many thousands of jacks have you installed or repaired? There is something to be said for experience.
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reply to medbuyer

said by medbuyer:

the point is, if you choose and use the right connector it will work. and yes, contractors like you use the cheapest stuff and make money on it on top of the labor.

Which is a RJ11 for phones and as I and many contractors I compete with guarantee their work saving a buck or two is not worth driving back to fix an inferior product. More than the money though is my reputation that I will not sacrifice by using cheap products.

sk1939
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said by xbell :

More than the money though is my reputation that I will not sacrifice by using cheap products.

+1

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reply to nunya

said by nunya:

Hate to tell you this, but other than Monoprice crap, Leviton is the cheapest stuff. I used Panduit stuff for years, but they became too proud of their product and I had to switch to Leviton in order to compete.
A contractor trying to make money? Gasp! You mean they aren't all charity? Next thing you'll tell me is the Grocer is trying to make money off of groceries. Say it isn't so!

You are arguing with people who do this for a living. How many thousands of jacks have you installed or repaired? There is something to be said for experience.

I was trying to make a point where some "newer" connectors can and will work.

I still see a lot of homes use the cheap stuff where the wires are screwed at the back instead of being punched down and where the phone connector doesn't actually lock. in cookie cutter homes mostly.

I agree that Contractors need to make a living but whether they use the same old stuff or the newer stuff is half of which he's reputation lies on.

I guess the contractor who wired our new manufacturing building with newer RJ45 connectors has an excellent reputation then?


whizkid3
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reply to medbuyer

said by Mr Anon :

We did it because there are jacks that will take booth, not be damaged and last, so its not the wrong jack.

said by medbuyer:

...and how many times do you have to plug and un plug a phone wire from your wall plate that will incure damage to your Leviton quickport connector? Choose your connectors right the 1st time while doing it right the 1st time as well.

said by xbell :

It's any motion on the cord that will allow it to move in the wider socket.

said by medbuyer:

the telephone wire that I have never moved in 5 years now.

said by xbell :

All it takes is that one inadvertent movement.

said by medbuyer:

I only have 1 phone and it resides in a spot near our kitchen where ... no wire movement at all. even using a duster won't make the wire wiggle that much.

So, unfortunately, you guys aren't getting it. It has little to do with 'yanking' or moving the cord & plug (which of course could also damage the jack). Many 6 position plugs, are wider than others or don't have 'depressions' to prevent bending the two unused pins. The plastic contacts the two outside pins on the 8 position jack. That means all it takes to damage the jack, is inserting the plug once. The two outside pins are forced up beyond their range of proper motion and are permanently bent. One time is all it takes. Plug it in and they're damaged. Usually you don't find out until you actually try to use the 8 pin jack for something else that needs all 8 pins. And then you find you have intermittent problems that take all kinds of hell to figure out what's causing it.

Yeah, you could go out and buy 6 pin modular plugs that are made by the same manufacturer and designed to work with the 8 pin jack. And then you could cut off the plugs from the cables that come with your phone, or make your own cables. No one does. And even if one went to this foolish extreme, this does not guarantee that the next homeowner will; or even a visitor. Or a technician plugging in their test light tool.

With everything, there are two ways to do it. There is the right way, typically encompassed in professional standards and practices. Then there is the idiot way. Sometimes known as the amateur way; the redneck way; or the 'Mr. fixit' way. Usually the latter ends up costing more in the long run. You can pick the method you prefer; I could care less how it actually gets done. Like nunya, I am just trying to point out the professional methods; and the problems one could have when the alternate approach is taken.


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reply to medbuyer

said by medbuyer:

I only have 1 phone and it resides in a spot near our kitchen where I can wipe it everyday with no wire movement at all.

even using a duster won't make the wire wiggle that much. I guess you have to make a consideration for people who don't clean that much?

Lol.. If I ever get into skilled trades, I hope I'll know a couple of people like you.. I'll never run out of ammo and my wife will never run out of makeup in the house, at the cottage or on the boat

Buddy, you keep justifying a sub-optimal solution when people with real knowledge and experience are giving you good advice for free.

Edit: spelling
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reply to nunya

said by nunya:

Hate to tell you this, but other than Monoprice crap, Leviton is the cheapest stuff. I used Panduit stuff for years, but they became too proud of their product and I had to switch to Leviton in order to compete.

The best jacks in the industry for telephony use are built by Suttle.

»www.suttleonline.com/catalog/telephony.html

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