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BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH

Not transparent, but necessary

They need to make it more transparent, but this is necessary, given that they only have a certain amount of capacity on their air interface. Not getting T-Mo didn't help either.



rit56

join:2000-12-01
New York, NY

Do you work for them? What a load. Four times a week Karl posts a piece here about the myth of limited capacity and how it's total bullshit. They simply want to gouge people. Throttle service, locked phones, terrible plans.



JigglyWiggly

join:2009-07-12
Pleasanton, CA

1 recommendation

This should be illegel, FCC DO SOMETHING FFS



chunky

@comcast.net
reply to rit56

Exactly, get everybody off the unlimited plans so we can make more money. The greatest thing in history. I know that if I can get the top 5% off there unlimited plans I can sock them with overages, overages, and overages. My wallet get bigger, my investors have a big on there faces, and my costomers can just get screwed.

Sarcasm, but true of course.



Oh_No
Trogglus normalus

join:2011-05-21
Chicago, IL
reply to BiggA

said by BiggA:

They need to make it more transparent, but this is necessary, given that they only have a certain amount of capacity on their air interface. Not getting T-Mo didn't help either.

Caps does not solve that, they are used to make extra profit off already profitable users on unlimited.

If their tower is congested they have no choice but to throttle until they upgrade the tower, but there is no excuse for caps.


Oh_No
Trogglus normalus

join:2011-05-21
Chicago, IL
reply to chunky

said by chunky :

Exactly, get everybody off the unlimited plans so we can make more money. The greatest thing in history. I know that if I can get the top 5% off there unlimited plans I can sock them with overages, overages, and overages. My wallet get bigger, my investors have a big on there faces, and my costomers can just get screwed.

Sarcasm, but true of course.

Most stockholders of a company do not get any benefit from being profitable or more profitable as stock price is not tied to actual company profits. The stock price is set by traders on the stock market. The company profits can go down and their stock price can go up at the same time.

The only shareholders who can benefit from more profits are those that get issued a dividend because profits are up.

biochemistry
Premium
join:2003-05-09
92361
reply to BiggA

They never needed tmobile. Verizon has less available spectrum than at&t and they already cover most of the country.



chunky

@comcast.net
reply to Oh_No

Well, thank you very much for that info, didn't actually know that, (maybe I will think about taking that economics class), but either way they are only doing this to get a money grab and a higher bonus.



FFH
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Tavistock NJ
kudos:5
reply to rit56

said by rit56:

Do you work for them? What a load. Four times a week Karl posts a piece here about the myth of limited capacity and how it's total bullshit. They simply want to gouge people. Throttle service, locked phones, terrible plans.

Because Karl calls limitations on capacity a myth doesn't make it so. The capacity limitations exist. Whether they could be corrected more quickly than they are is a discussion of what financial resources an ongoing PROFIT-MAKING private enterprise can devote to correcting it is up for debate. Karl would be all for AT&T skipping making a profit to do a crash course update of available wireless spectrum. The stockholders don't share his cavalier attitude towards profits.
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The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, I'm from the government and I'm here to help.
»www.politico.com/2012-election/



scavio
Premium
join:2001-07-14
Melmac
reply to Oh_No

said by Oh_No:

Most stockholders of a company do not get any benefit from being profitable or more profitable as stock price is not tied to actual company profits. The stock price is set by traders on the stock market. The company profits can go down and their stock price can go up at the same time.

The only shareholders who can benefit from more profits are those that get issued a dividend because profits are up.

Current and future profitability have a lot to do with stock price. A vast majority of the time a company's stock price is largely driven on how much money people think it will make. This is an oversimplification, but generally, if you increase profits and are moving on a path that will generate even more profits, your stock price will go up.

A dividend, however, has nothing to do with a profits other than a company that pays them is generally profitable in order to afford it. For instance, Apple makes money hand over fist and doesn't pay a dividend.

chances14

join:2010-03-03
Michigan

1 recommendation

reply to rit56

said by rit56:

Do you work for them? What a load. Four times a week Karl posts a piece here about the myth of limited capacity and how it's total bullshit. They simply want to gouge people. Throttle service, locked phones, terrible plans.

lol do you honestly believe everything that karl writes? he spins stories and facts just like every other journalist out there in the so called "evil media". the difference is that he writes what you want to read.


Oh_No
Trogglus normalus

join:2011-05-21
Chicago, IL
reply to scavio

said by scavio:

Current and future profitability have a lot to do with stock price. A vast majority of the time a company's stock price is largely driven on how much money people think it will make. This is an oversimplification, but generally, if you increase profits and are moving on a path that will generate even more profits, your stock price will go up.

Nope, there is no link between profits and stock price.
Profits can go up and stock price can go down.
Profits can go down and stock price can raise.
Stock price is 100% based on what the next guy is willing to pay for it.
said by scavio:

A dividend, however, has nothing to do with a profits other than a company that pays them is generally profitable in order to afford it. For instance, Apple makes money hand over fist and doesn't pay a dividend.

A dividend is the strongest connection to profits you will get for stock holders. If the company is more profitable they are more likely to issue a dividend. Stock price has no connection to profits.


Morac
Cat god

join:2001-08-30
Riverside, NJ
kudos:1
Reviews:
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said by Oh_No:

Nope, there is no link between profits and stock price.
Profits can go up and stock price can go down.
Profits can go down and stock price can raise.
Stock price is 100% based on what the next guy is willing to pay for it.

While that's true, normally people aren't willing to pay a lot for stock in a tanking company. The inverse is also true. People tend to buy stock in companies that are doing well (or well liked), which is why Apple, Google, Amazon, oil companies, etc stock prices are high.
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jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA
kudos:1

1 edit
reply to FFH

Karl has never admitted that there wasn't a problem with capacity for wireless networks. His issue has been with cable providers using capacity woes as a major argument to dishonestly prevent video from taking off over the internet by use of caps, where none are actually required.

The capacity myth has always been directed at TV/internet providers, and not towards the wireless carriers.

Now, he has reported that the need for more spectrum is a big lie the mobile industry giants toss around, but that is also very simple to see through, with just 10 minutes of effortless research.


BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
reply to BiggA

@rit56: So you believe the laws of physics don't apply to AT&T? It would be great if they didn't, at least at the air interface, but they do. How the manage the traffic is the issue. This system isn't transparent.

@Oh_No: you have to cap at some point. The best solution would be to bring back Unlimited* plans.

*you will be throttled to 200kbps after the first 3GB of data.

You can't upgrade your way out of a limited amount of spectrum. Land-based providers can upgrade themselves out of anything, as you just add more fiber (or make it go at 10gbps).

Verizon now has a lot more spectrum between the 22mhz chunk of SMH, and new AWS from SpectrumCo, etc. And for CLR and PCS? Look at their EVDO. It's getting sloooower and sloooower.

@chances14: Very true. His takes are just as ridiculous as the truth, just on the other side. The truth is usually somewhere in the middle. This site brings up some issues that no one else does, but at the same time, it undermines its credibility with commentary that is detached from reality.



meeeeeeeeee

join:2003-07-13
Newburgh, NY
reply to Oh_No

said by Oh_No:

Nope, there is no link between profits and stock price.
Profits can go up and stock price can go down.
Profits can go down and stock price can raise.
Stock price is 100% based on what the next guy is willing to pay for it.

Actually stock prices in the last decade or so have been MOST influenced by the quality of coke and crack delivered to Wall Street than by much of anything else.


Oh_No
Trogglus normalus

join:2011-05-21
Chicago, IL
reply to Morac

said by Morac:

said by Oh_No:

Nope, there is no link between profits and stock price.
Profits can go up and stock price can go down.
Profits can go down and stock price can raise.
Stock price is 100% based on what the next guy is willing to pay for it.

While that's true, normally people aren't willing to pay a lot for stock in a tanking company. The inverse is also true. People tend to buy stock in companies that are doing well (or well liked), which is why Apple, Google, Amazon, oil companies, etc stock prices are high.

Yes, but that is not a real link. It is a gamble every time you make assumptions of how people will buy and sell stock.
A company can be tanking and Jim Cramer can tell everyone to buy it, the price will rise due to sellers taking advantage of the demand, and people will still buy it.


scavio
Premium
join:2001-07-14
Melmac
reply to Oh_No

To say profit and future profitability has nothing to do with stock price is laughable. Yes, the price is based on what someone is willing to pay for it, however, current and future profitability have more to do with a stock's desirability than any other factor.

Dividends are much more complicated than you make them out to be. In fact, I can list numerous companies that pay a dividend that don't even make money (HST, GGP) and I can list even more companies that make a ton of money that don't pay one at all (AAPL, GOOG). Expectations of growth and rate of reinvestment have as much to do with dividends as profitability.



Oh_No
Trogglus normalus

join:2011-05-21
Chicago, IL

said by scavio:

To say profit and future profitability has nothing to do with stock price is laughable.

To say it has anything to do with stock price is laughable.

As I said stock price is not linked at all to profitability.
Dividends may have a weak link, but way more so than stock price.


IPPlanMan
Holy Cable Modem Batman

join:2000-09-20
Washington, DC
kudos:1
reply to JigglyWiggly

You have to do something so they can do something....

»Re: Just got my first message from them..

Have at it....



scavio
Premium
join:2001-07-14
Melmac

1 recommendation

reply to Oh_No

I showed perfect examples to back up my point. You just keep spewing the same misinformation over and over again. If profits had nothing to do with stock price, then the leader's of these companies wouldn't care about it. They would just hand out dividends for the heck of it since their job is to provide shareholder value. If you want to say past profitability doesn't have anything to do with stock price, you would be correct. Current and future profitability have a TON to do with stock price.



Oh_No
Trogglus normalus

join:2011-05-21
Chicago, IL

2 edits

Leaders of companies are set on raising stock price. Profitablity has no gaurantee of doing that since it is not linked ot stock price. Stock price can easily go down even when profits go up.

They play games of press releases, buy backs, issuing new stock, dividends, buying companies, selling divisions, investing in new equipment. Those are things they do to trying and get people to make decisions.
In reality the only thing they can do to directly affect their price is issuing stock or buying it back. Anything else is just wishful thinking or playing the gambling game.
Please stop with your misinformation.



Oh_No
Trogglus normalus

join:2011-05-21
Chicago, IL
reply to scavio

said by scavio:

Current and future profitability have a TON to do with stock price.

No way, that is just 100% wrong.
Stock price is set by buying and selling on the market.


scavio
Premium
join:2001-07-14
Melmac

1 recommendation

reply to Oh_No

I don't know why you dredged this up from so long ago. I started to type a long winded post but decided it's not worth it.

I'm done arguing about this. Technically, a stock is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. If you think that how much a company makes and is expected to make in the future (per share of course) has nothing to do with how much people think it's worth, then I feel sorry for you.

I'm not going to go through the ins and outs of it all. I'll leave you with this headline: Netflix Jumps On Earnings, Guidance Beat »www.thestreet.com/story/11384675···eat.html . Earnings were released, profits and future guidance on profits beat expectations, and the stock went up 10%. I'm done.



Oh_No
Trogglus normalus

join:2011-05-21
Chicago, IL

said by scavio:

I don't know why you dredged this up from so long ago.

HUH? you are the one that dredge it up from so long ago and I dont know why.
You can read the dates on the posts.
You and I posted on 2/8 and then you posted on 2/27.
I guess you just made fun of yourself?