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45612019

join:2004-02-05
New York, NY

Time Warner and AT&T are screwed

They should just pull out of Kansas City and write it off as a loss.

Once Google finishes this project those two are dead in the water in that market.

MalibuMaxx
Premium
join:2007-02-06
Chesterton, IN

1 recommendation

Re: Time Warner and AT&T are screwed

That's what they were saying about fio's and that didn't happen in those neighborhoods. What do you think is the difference here...

Honestly, I would switch... you would switch... but 80 percent of american's probably wouldn't switch...

45612019

join:2004-02-05
New York, NY

Re: Time Warner and AT&T are screwed

Verizon offered 25/25 Mbps which cost a fortune alone or bundled for triple digits. That's hardly a massive improvement over the cable companies which have been able to offer 50+ Mbps with DOCSIS 3.0 for years. There was also spotty deployment, random neighborhoods which got it while the house next door didn't. FiOS was a big shakeup in the industry but they didn't make it cheap enough to be a deal sealer.

Apparently Google is planning on offering unlimited symmetrical 1 Gbps for $50 a month? Yeah, good luck matching that, Time Warner. And AT&T is even slower with bandwidth caps. Time Warner wants $99 a month for 50/5 Mbps service. Who is going to pay for that when they can get 20x faster download and 200x faster upload with no caps for half the price? It's a no brainer.

skuv

@rr.com

Re: Time Warner and AT&T are screwed

It doesn't matter if it's 1Gbps or 100Gbps, the average customer doesn't know what that means. And the average customer is never going to be using close to that speed most of the time.

You are never going to get a 1Gbps download from one site.

I sit on about 600Gbps of bandwidth where I am, with 1Gbps to my computer. The fastest download I get from the Internet is close to 100Mbps, and that's for something that is cached nearby.

The really technical customers make up a very small percentage of customers. They're the only ones that understand what they are getting.

If Google has some way of educating the masses, maybe they'll get a big number of customers switching to them.

But it's the same, every time, so many people think that the majority is going to switch from their current providers, when that is never the case, no matter what is offered.

45612019

join:2004-02-05
New York, NY

1 recommendation

Re: Time Warner and AT&T are screwed

said by skuv :

It doesn't matter if it's 1Gbps or 100Gbps, the average customer doesn't know what that means. And the average customer is never going to be using close to that speed most of the time.

You are never going to get a 1Gbps download from one site.

This is false; I've seen 1Gbps from Usenet, private torrents, and gigabit FTP servers. It requires multiple threads which is easily accomplished with any of these protocols.

Some of the filehosters like MediaFire can probably hook you up with 1Gbps downloads too.

The big porn sites like Brazzers have never had issues saturating my 150 Mbps FiOS. I've seen 20 MB/sec on a single download of a 1080p Brazzers scene. If they can max a 150 Mbps FiOS so easily they've probably got big enough pipes to saturate a gigabit.

I think Google could get customers to switch based on their name brand alone. People like Google; they know they're going to get a quality product with them. The telecom/cable companies are despised.

When word-of-mouth starts going around how people are getting such insane speeds for only 50 bucks, I think a lot of people are going to be taking a hard look at that $100+ they're paying to AT&T and Time Warner every month.
axus

join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC
Reviews:
·Comcast

Re: Time Warner and AT&T are screwed

I think most peoples bandwidth needs are for streaming Youtube and Netflix. People won't switch for more bandwidth if they are already getting enough, they will switch if it's cheaper and less of a hassle.

Simply taking off work to get a fiber hookup for the internet is a hassle for people. Installation fee is definitely a hassle. A lot of people will stick with Cable TV, especially if they have DOCSIS 3.0 and are offered retention bonuses.

gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall

join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
The average customer knows the difference between fast and slow, and high and low price. That is all they need to know.

Even a caveman, monkey, or toddler!
--
Let them eat FIBER!

aciddrink

join:2000-08-26
Lets be realistic here. Even if you did have 1gbps down, there are very few (if any) legal ways that a single household would utilize that.

Now speaking for upload... there is absolutely no legal way you could utilize that kind of bandwidth other than transferring the contents of your hard-drive from your house to your next door neighbor's just for giggles.

45612019

join:2004-02-05
New York, NY

1 recommendation

Re: Time Warner and AT&T are screwed

said by aciddrink:

Lets be realistic here. Even if you did have 1gbps down, there are very few (if any) legal ways that a single household would utilize that.

Now speaking for upload... there is absolutely no legal way you could utilize that kind of bandwidth other than transferring the contents of your hard-drive from your house to your next door neighbor's just for giggles.

1) Porn: As mentioned, the big guys like Brazzers offer unlimited downloads at unlimited speeds.
2) Hosting your own game/web servers; it's easy enough to throw up a bunch of virtual machines on your own computer hardware and host a bunch of game servers instead of paying some game hosting company a fortune to do so for you.
3) Keeping your shit backed up the cloud in real time: 1 Gbps speeds are about the same transfer speed as the mechanical hard drives on your local machine. This will make it possible to keep an offsite backup of your local machine synced in real time.
4) 4k, Ultra High Definition: If you build it, they will come. In 1999 do you think anyone was thinking about 1080p legal streaming video via the Internet? Now it's common. I wonder what happened to all those people who said broadband was only needed for piracy?
axus

join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC
Reviews:
·Comcast

Re: Time Warner and AT&T are screwed

Totally agree, but #2-4 are still a niche of people on the internet. #1 is hard to measure, but I hear there is a lot of porn downloading/streaming, and people hitting data caps will switch to unlimited rather than explain why they are hitting caps!

aciddrink

join:2000-08-26
said by 45612019:

1) Porn: As mentioned, the big guys like Brazzers offer unlimited downloads at unlimited speeds.
2) Hosting your own game/web servers; it's easy enough to throw up a bunch of virtual machines on your own computer hardware and host a bunch of game servers instead of paying some game hosting company a fortune to do so for you.

1) Porn downloads via legal means... still hard pressed to hit 1gbps. You would certainly not be uploading it (legally).

2) Just about every ISP states in their TOS that running a server of any kind (including a game and/or web server) is against their terms of use, thus is not legal. I would be willing to bet Google will not be an exception to this rule. Whether or not you get away with it is a different topic.
Wilsdom

join:2009-08-06

Re: Time Warner and AT&T are screwed

said by aciddrink:

Porn ...You would certainly not be uploading it (legally).

Speak for yourself.

aciddrink

join:2000-08-26

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Re: Time Warner and AT&T are screwed

said by Wilsdom:

Speak for yourself.

Explain please...I still don't see how you could legally upload porn (or anything) at 1gbps. The only way I could dream of such speeds is from seeding a large torrent or running an old-school fileserv on IRC. Neither of which are legal.

(with the rare exception of a legal torrent...which is most likely not popular enough to max out your 1gbps anyways)

45612019

join:2004-02-05
New York, NY

Re: Time Warner and AT&T are screwed

So you're saying porn stars don't want fast Internet speeds?

MyFreeCams in HD would be awesome.

ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

Re: Time Warner and AT&T are screwed

This is a Gbps LOCAL build. If these people run a speedtest to a server a few hundred miles away, theyll probably get 50Mbps. You are talking like this project will change the world, its not changing ANYTHING. People in KC will be able to CAM in 3D among each other, thats about it.

45612019

join:2004-02-05
New York, NY

Re: Time Warner and AT&T are screwed

I always hear this distance argument, and it's always complete bullshit. I see my full 150 Mbps on FiOS to servers in California and Europe all the time.

It's all about using the right type of file transmission protocols and multiple connections. Distance affects ping, not speed - unless you're connecting to servers in a country with really shitty Internet connectivity. There don't tend to be many of them, because hosting companies don't tend to set up shop in countries with shitty Internet connectivity.
iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
kudos:2
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·Verizon Online DSL
Maybe not a gigabit per second, but for shuttling virtual machines (work stuff) around and online backup of videos and photos my my DSLR (720p not-very-compressed AVIs take up a lot of space!) 100Mbps or so would be a godsend at a reasonable price. Alas, I'm sitting on 4 Mbps up here...
Wilsdom

join:2009-08-06
Lines are over-provisioned, and customers aren't expected to all be maxing their connections. High-quality video quality right now is 40mbps and if Netflix started streaming that 1Gbps would probably be about what you'd want your neighborhood network to be. Online backups are becoming more popular and no upload speed could be too high.
xenophon

join:2007-09-17

Re: Time Warner and AT&T are screwed

Yeah, methinks the upload speed will be more relevant to changing the paradigm of apps for broadband than the downlink.

Metatron2008
Premium
join:2008-09-02
united state
I thought the bullshit percentage was 95% of people are clueless idiots? I love how every day someone mouths off with a different percentage of how many people they think are mindless drones..

DeathK
Premium
join:2002-06-16
Cincinnati, OH

Re: Time Warner and AT&T are screwed

25% of 75% of people believe that the other 60% are 90% confused.

7%
LucasLee

join:2010-11-26
kudos:1
said by Metatron2008:

I thought the bullshit percentage was 95% of people are clueless idiots? I love how every day someone mouths off with a different percentage of how many people they think are mindless drones..

i believe the cliche you were searching for is: "90% of all statistics are made up on the spot."

FFH5
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Tavistock NJ
kudos:5

1 recommendation

said by 45612019:

They should just pull out of Kansas City and write it off as a loss.

Once Google finishes this project those two are dead in the water in that market.

Surewest already has fiber in KC area and they didn't drive TW & AT&T away:

xenophon

join:2007-09-17

Re: Time Warner and AT&T are screwed

This claims SureWest has over 1000 miles in KC to 95,000+ homes.

»1102grand.com/west/

Jerm

join:2000-04-10
Richland, WA
kudos:2

Re: Time Warner and AT&T are screwed

That is 95,000 homes PASSED. Very different.

Problem is, even if they "pass" your home they still probably want a business class install fee and rate structure.

From what I can tell looks like SureWest fiber is anywhere from 25-50mbps with rather high fees. Basically made to compete with Docsis3.

Very different from Google offering 1gbps for an "average" broadband fee!
xenophon

join:2007-09-17
said by 45612019:

(ATT/TWC) should just pull out of Kansas City and write it off as a loss.

Once Google finishes this project those two are dead in the water in that market.

Google will need to offer a solid triple play package. If they don't have a comparable TV package to TWC/ATT, many may not go Google at all as the average consumer doesn't want two players - and cable goes up if not bundled with Internet.

morbo
Complete Your Transaction

join:2002-01-22
00000
Reviews:
·Charter

Re: Time Warner and AT&T are screwed

Triple play? I think even double play is an antiquated idea now. Give me a solid, high speed connection and that's all I need.

The average consumer would rather pay google for a high speed connection than to pay TW or AT&T for lame excuse for a internet connection.
jophan
Premium
join:2009-07-12
Jenkintown, PA

Re: Time Warner and AT&T are screwed

The average consumer wants their video package and will take any broadband they get discounted with it.

morbo
Complete Your Transaction

join:2002-01-22
00000

Re: Time Warner and AT&T are screwed

That's changing. Also, there is no need for a triple play, so Google can rest easy. Consumers aren't clamoring for it. The triple play pot of gold is going away.

Metatron2008
Premium
join:2008-09-02
united state

Re: Time Warner and AT&T are screwed

Is ANYONE capable of posting without saying 'the average/certain percentage of consumer(s)' and then making a big fool of themselves by saying something they have no evidence of??

ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
Wanna bet youre wrong?