| I need router experts please Hi there, I once again have a question to all the gurus in here.
I need a router that enables you to set TCP and UDP timeouts.
For example, in DD WRT firmware (pretty sure you guys know what that is..) there is an option that allows you to do just that!
But, I would like to actually get a commercial router somewhere on the market that enables that feature. Ill list below in detail what I need.
A) A router that has TCP and UDP timeouts set above 10000
B)If its configurable, even better!
D)Would someone please tell me what is the default values on the market routers out there today? Netgear, Dlink, Belkin... Since they don't even show specs page, I would like to know what is the standard?
Thank you very much! |
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Reviews:
 ·link2voip
 ·TekSavvy DSL
| Just so that I understand your requirements, by "commercial" do you mean
-expensive
-junk
-expensive junk
-with preinstalled firmware or
-with professional support?
It's important to be clear, because your requirement that the router be "commercial" could be interpreted to mean any one or combination of those.
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This guy will suite your needs and give you room to grow:
»www.juniper.net/us/en/products-s···ix-plus/
Most entry level commercial routers (Cisco, Juniper, etc) allow you to set your TCP and UDP connection timeouts, but they also have enough memory that you don't have to worry about it. They can track more connections than you can open. |
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 BranoI hate VogonsPremium,MVM
join:2002-06-25
Burlington, ON
kudos:3
 ·Bell Fibe
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ZyXEL USG Series »us.zyxel.com/Products/details.as···ED195DB2
Snapshot from manual
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awesome posts guys. thanks.
Let me have a look at the above and ill come back with more details in a bit! |
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The 2 sites look very interesting. I put them in my fav's.
However, when I say "commercial", I mean. Is there a Net gear router that has a built in TCP timeout that is over 10000?
Dlink, Linksys, Belkin.... The 2 above routers that are posted there, I can tell I have never heard of before!
So by commercial I mean something that a popular name brand for home users would have, that you can find in a retail store.
The router doesnt HAVE to have that feature that I can configure. if its already set over 10000, ill surely get it!
Thats why hate these freaking developers... Why cant they just specify somewhere in manuals what is routers max tcp udp timeouts... Its a pretty important feature...
thanks! |
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 billaustinthey call me Mr. BillPremium,MVM
join:2001-10-13
North Las Vegas, NV
kudos:2 | Routers sold for home use usually do not have the ability to do what you are asking.
My question is why you need to set such high time outs.
If you tell us what you are trying to accomplish by doing this, someone may be able to recommend a router to fit your needs. |
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Thanks for the reply.
I need higher time out to be able to use some p2p applications...
Especially gaming... Most games that I would play these days would disconnect out of the blue. Once I messed with my DD WRT settings and set TCP UDP time outs from 120 120 to 1200 1200. I was able to fix the problem... No more disconnections yay!!!
So I guess Ill rephrase everything and ask for...
WHAT IS A GOOD FREAKING GAMING ROUTER lol..
thank you! |
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billaustinthey call me Mr. BillPremium,MVM
join:2001-10-13
North Las Vegas, NV
kudos:2 | What type of internet connection do you have?
What is the brand and model of the modem?
Do you need wireless built into the new router?
I'm sure someone will be able to make a few good recommendations. |
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Thanks for the reply.
Currently Im with Bell sympatico, and getting speeds over 16 mb down, and 1mb up.
My modem is Sagecom 2864. But, I bridged it with my Netgear WNDR3700, and then flashed into DD WRT firmware.
Now you see here is the problem... I have more then enough speed to play games, and my latency is usually around 16 to 20 ms (not bad)
I was very puzzled at first to what was the problem...
Imagine playing a FPS game, for about 3 min I'm unstoppable, I'm killing everything! THEN! all of a sudden I cant hit anything!! Little by little my connection looks as if took a hit and now becoming worse and worse until I disconnect.... Sometimes it fluctuates... I would be on a rampage then slump, rampage and then again slump....
Still with me?
When I looked at the ip connections table in DD WRT firmware I noticed something strange.
TCP and UDP timeouts were out of phase... It went something like 120, 40, 10, 3, 120, 59.... So, I increased both by 1200, and the result looked like this. 1200, 900, 700, 1200...
Still fluctuating... but defiantly improved my problem. ESPECIALLY disconnections..
So here I am hoping to find a router that has a little bit more time outs..
Oh and btw, dont even ask me to try SAGECOM 2864 because that peace of sh!t times out even with little bit of torrents lol.
sorry for long post guys... |
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BranoI hate VogonsPremium,MVM
join:2002-06-25
Burlington, ON
kudos:3 Reviews:
·Bell Fibe
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said by crackaskeet:WHAT IS A GOOD FREAKING GAMING ROUTER lol..
There are many. All you really need is router with big NAT table like 15000 or more. That's all to it. |
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Well then recommend me one bro! |
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Very sorry for double post, but Brano I think you may be into something here bro!
Did some digging on what you mentioned above, and there seems to be a nice list of good routers even above 15 000 mark!!!
»www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanwan/r···mul-conn
The above is the site! Can you just double check making sure thats what you talking about?
Thanks alot man! |
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 AnavSarcastic Llama? Naw, Just AcerbicPremium
join:2001-07-16
Dartmouth, NS
kudos:3 | The ASUS 56U rocks with respect to connections and the ability to handle throughput on the WAN side......... |
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billaustinthey call me Mr. BillPremium,MVM
join:2001-10-13
North Las Vegas, NV
kudos:2 | reply to crackaskeet
I would check into replacing the modem. If you can't get Bell to replace it, look for another unit (compatible with their service) that you can bridge. I would look for a Zyxel model. Actiontec should also work. |
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BranoI hate VogonsPremium,MVM
join:2002-06-25
Burlington, ON
kudos:3 | reply to Anav
said by Anav:ASUS 56U rocks
...what the llama said |
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said by crackaskeet:A) A router that has TCP and UDP timeouts set above 10000
B)If its configurable, even better! It'd be good to clarify whether you intend this for the NAT timeouts, or
something else. More often than not, they are two seperate things.
second of all, Not sure why you would want / need to adjust your timer
values. I'm all for playing with the knobs and switches when I can on
any piece of gear, but I'd first understand what the little knob does.
Also as a warning, setting your timers too high can end up sucking up
limited memory resources on what can be a rather low-end piece of hardware.
Third, TCP and UDP are two fundamentally different protocols, so I don't
see the need of putting them "in phase" as you say. TCP is for reliable
communications between endpoints, where there is a clear beginning,
middle and end to a conversation, and normally you'd want your timer
settings fairly high. UDP is for quick and dirty, slam-bam, sent it
and done with it communications -- stuff like DNS, streaming media and
voip, and gaming.
I don't claim any special expertise about what timer settings to use but
unless you're adept at TCP and UDP, and the applications you're using,
I'd generally leave the little knobs alone.
To your actual problem you're experiencing with gaming, I'm inclined
that if adjusting the timers fixed your problem, fine and dandy,
but I'd be one to look deeper into the problem and see if something
else is at work here than simple TCP / UDP timers.
said by crackaskeet:D)Would someone please tell me what is the default values on the market routers out there today? Depends on the manufacturer. I recall hearing a story anecdotally that one
particular manufacturer in one particular model of router set their NAT timers
to 5 days. Needless to say, these particular devices needed regular power
cycling to clear out their memory.
Anyways, this is just my 00000010bits. Best of luck in your search!
Regards |
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·Fairpoint Commun..
·Verizon FiOS
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I found some errors in Table 192 that Brano shows above, at least on my USG50. Delete the second "session" from the second row, first column. Delete "-timewait" from the second variable in the third row, first column.
Anyone engaged in significant bit torrent activity may need to keep these time values shorter than the router default in order to keep the state table from filling up.
On the other hand, keeping VPN tunnels open might require larger values (I have no experience with that).
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