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reply to AVD

Re: FBI warns of Sovereign Citizens

reply to sovereinAnon
It's a number of things. In order, I'd say

1. A down economy. More people get angry and whacked out during down economies.
2. The "you're either with us or against us" attitude, mouthed so frequently by the country's leaders during the time after 9/11 when the 'War on Terror' began, has become part of social and political life as well. That spawns an unwillingness to compromise and a willingness to fight.
3. Easy availability of guns.
4. Easy availability of drugs.

I'd prefer not to go into discussions of those things, especially politics, because that gets out of the forum and topic scope. There are clearly some people already in this topic who wish to divert it for political reasons. I'd rather they peed in the political forums than this one.
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reply to dave

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The freeman position is not entirely lacking in moral force: considering government-created law to be a damnable imposition is a defensible stance with a long and respectable history. It's their approach that is made entirely of magic beans and crack.

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reply to AVD
No, he's just not very polite [like every other Canadian that has ever existed since the beginning of time]. (Guess that's why there was never a Canadian Revolution.)
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"Sorry for not responding to your post, but either I haven't seen it yet, or what you said was so devoid of substance that I found it utterly uninteresting."

reply to aannoonn
Perhaps they wouldn't have to even think about this matter if the citizens were ruled by the thumb screw method. I'm old enough to remember a time before the war on poverty, the war on drugs, constant surveillance with cameras, we didn't have DUI check points, we didn't get fined if you didn't wear a seat belt, you didn't need to show ID to buy cough medicine...need I go on?

Maybe a bit more, you didn't have HIPPA, you didn't have the Patriot Act, I could come and go to Canada without a passport. You have no idea how easy it is to turn your name in as a potential terrorist. This is from an anti-money laundering compliance class showing who is a red flag. I bit you didn't know! This could be you -

• The customer buys an insurance product that appears to be inconsistent with his or her needs.
• The applicant exhibits concern with government reporting requirements, especially requiring personal identification information.
• The applicant wishes to engage in a transaction that lacks business sense
• The applicant (or a person associated with the applicant) has a questionable background
• The applicant lives in a distant locale
• The applicant exhibits a lack of concern for policy fees and charges
• The applicant is rated and shows casual disregard for the higher premiums he or she will pay due to the rating
• the early termination of an insurance product
• lack of policyowner concern or questions about surrender charges when requesting a policy surrender

In addition to those cited above, an important indicator of possible suspicious activity is geographical location of the parties involved in a transaction. This indicator includes the customer’s address

It goes on for two pages. Now tell me who makes the decision that is is a bad business decision. When a red flag is thrown, it ramps up to a manager and then the manger can decide to send your name on to the Federal Government.

The Patriot Act has more stuff than the anti-money laundering act. So maybe there are people who know and see more than the people who don't understand? Maybe there are people who see the reality of the situation and can graph out where we will be in 15 years. So yep, if I were a Fed official I too would be worried about the people that have woke up to see the end of the land of the free and brave.

If you care at all about the USA, you should be more worried about what the politicians have in mind for your future than sovereign citizens.

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reply to BlitzenZeus
Yep, I remember the commie scare. I remember in elementary school we would have drills where we would duck and cover to be prepared for the day the Russians would attack. Then we went to war against the Vietnamese people, had to stem the tide in that small little world. We allow the government to keep propping up the next false flag. From reading some of the posts apparently it works because people just don't get it. Listen closely.... Just as there wasn't a Russian spy behind every tree there isn't a muslim terrorist behind every tree. It is an age old tactic that government uses to control the masses -

"A people living under the perpetual menace of war and invasion is very easy to govern. It demands no social reforms. It does not haggle over expenditures for armaments and military equipment. It pays without discussion, it ruins itself, and that is an excellent thing for the syndicates of financiers and manufacturers for whom patriotic terrors are an abundant source of gain
- Anatole France, pseudonym for Jacques Anatole Thibault (1844-1924) -"

As each year passes I feel that the movie the Matrix is becoming more and more prescient.

reply to DarkLogix

reply to Krisnatharok
No it can't be that one because politicians are the most moral citizens that exist in the country. None would ever consider they are above the law. Wait....they are allowed to do insider trading but nobody else can. Ok I get it now.

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reply to urdrwho
I'd ask you not to mince issues but I'd be guilty of sounding like a broken record.... so enjoy your hatefest. "We have corrupt politicians, so it's ok to kill cops" = your argument.
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If we lose this freedom of ours, history will record with the greatest astonishment, those who had the most to lose, did the least to prevent its happening.

I wonder what can the cops do?
require bullet proof vests 24/7?
Treat all stops as though the person might have an AK47?(seems a bit harsh on the ones that don't)

I mean what can you really do when the guy that might kill you could be anyone?

Observe proper technique, wear your PPE, and maintain extreme caution and diligence.

reply to DarkLogix

reply to Krisnatharok
But shouldn't they be doing that anyway?
What is it just a message please follow policy better?

reply to urdrwho

reply to Krisnatharok
They said no such thing, and you know it. They were merely giving their example of how when I referenced the communist scare they saw the same kind of fear mongering propaganda when they were a child. Nowhere did they advocate what you said.