| [Cataclysm] Arcane mage 4 piece Hey guys. My guild needed a mage so I just switched over to playing my mage again to try to help the guild. I just recently got my 4 piece and I am a little confused as to how I should alter my rotation now. Arcane mages are hard right? No but rly does anyone know how I should work in my arcane power now? Do I juse spam arcane blast for the duration of arcane power during my mini burn? Or do I use arcane power on CD and just continue my reg conserve phase? Thanks |
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cymraegBeth an?
join:2011-06-07
Dodge, NE | reply to Stormhunter
dont know if any of us has a mage in 4pc atm, if i knew the bonus i could give you an educated theory however.
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cigtymeCoonass and Proud of it
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Houma, LA | My mage still only sports a 2 piece. It shortens the CD of AP by 10 or 15 seconds i think. It just increases the ammount of times u cast Arcane power. More burn phases |
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It basically makes arcane power cd from 1.5 min to between 30-45 sec cd. Which means you wil use it more often then just the burn phase, which means that you will not have evocation to get all your mana back. So I am confused as to how to deal with it. If I spam AB during it then im at like 60% mana with no way to return it. I cant find any specific guides as to how to best deal with it and EJ seems to be out of date. |
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cymraegBeth an?
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perhaps seperating your evo and mana gem cds for more even mana distribution, that is a much more mana expensive bonus for a short duration of burst, this requires further inquiry.
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| Wow no one? Really? I would have thought that someone on here would be able help me out. I would rly like to get this sorted out before my raid tonight. |
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| ummm, icy veins? sorry we arent good at helping you play your class, I guess  (not to mention you dont even provide the bonus in your OP, you expect us to know it off the top of our heads.)
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1 edit | reply to Stormhunter
there aren't a lot of Mage mains in this forum... and many here take the "lolz 2 button spam is hard" approach.
2 pieces: Your Arcane Blast has a 100% chance and your Fireball, Pyroblast, Frostfire Bolt, and Frostbolt spells have a 50% chance to grant Stolen Time, increasing your haste rating by 50 for 30 sec and stacking up to 10 times. When Arcane Power, Combustion, or Icy Veins expires, all stacks of Stolen Time are lost.
4 pieces: Each stack of Stolen Time also reduces the cooldown of Arcane Power by 7 sec, Combustion by 5 sec, and Icy Veins by 15 sec.
Originally Posted by Mempha View Post
So, what are peoples opinions for 4s T13?
I was thinking of sticking to 2s T12 (heroic pieces) and 2s T13 (for stolen time).
This would give me more uptime on the stolen time, and I wouldnt burn unnecessary mana due to extra usage on the arcane power.
Personally I dont really see Arcane Power being worth 'spammed' unless u got evo ready along with other cds, whats peoples oppinions on this?
Considering going back to arcane when I saw 4.3.2. nerfing fire again so:p The lower cooldown on AP is definitely useful, and you do want to essentially spam it. When using AP in a conserve, you just want to use as many ABs as you can during AP, and then do your best to regen with AM once AP is finished. You basically just do a mini burn every time AP is up, and a regular burn when AP and evoc line up.
4T13 is awesome for arcane. The trick is don't consider every AP use a burn phase and license to spam AB. Instead try the following:
Start of fight:
1. Cast ABx10 without blowing any cooldowns. Possibly stick one AM in there so your mana doesn't go down too fast. Goal is to stack the buff.
2. Initial burn phase: blow all cooldowns.
3. Enter conserve phase. During conserve phase, blow arcane power on cooldown. However, do NOT spam arcane blast during arcane power. Instead use your standard conserve phase rotation (for me typically 3-5xAB --> AM). For me this was getting me 80k+ AB crits during conserve phase which is pretty cool. You should be able to get 2 complete uses of arcane power during each conserve phase.
4. Burn phase number 2. This should happen as soon as mana gem comes off cooldown and should include an arcane power use.
The key to arcane and T13 is remembering that your burn phase isn't governed by arcane power. Instead it's governed by evocation. 4T13 increases your dps by giving you 3x the uptime on arcane power compared to someone without it.
maybe this will help.
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cymraegBeth an?
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Dodge, NE | that blizz forum post is what i was groping at, spreading out your mana regen cds to better manage mana through burn phases
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cigtymeCoonass and Proud of it
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Houma, LA | My main is an Arcane Mage. I always go to a target dummy and play with my rotation after a 2 piece or a 4 piece. For timing. It is only a couple buttons. Especially with all my keybinds and macros. Mana Gem, AP, Volcanic Potion, and Mirror Image. PoM also with your free spell should be timed with a big hefty costing Blast. |
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1 edit | said by cigtyme:My main is an Arcane Mage.
nice. I think you should add that to your sig
edit: I'm dumb. that is all. |
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cigtymeCoonass and Proud of it
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Houma, LA | Ok i did it, but it is not the easiest crap to find. |
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said by JB:ummm, icy veins? sorry we arent good at helping you play your class, I guess (not to mention you dont even provide the bonus in your OP, you expect us to know it off the top of our heads.)
Why do you always have to act like a dick?
His clearly looking for constructive help |
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Harwood Heights, IL | said by TysonFC:said by JB:ummm, icy veins? sorry we arent good at helping you play your class, I guess (not to mention you dont even provide the bonus in your OP, you expect us to know it off the top of our heads.)
Why do you always have to act like a dick? His clearly looking for constructive help Thanks for the help Tyson |
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you should use AP on CD and follow your conserve phase as normal adjusting for the increased mana usage. IF you have FO up then you can push more AB and re-up your mana with FO hopefully sparking AM procs, but theres no guarantee youll get the procs. I find that my best DPS is when Im strict about my rotation but you need to be able to make these adjustments on the fly. Magemanabar is a useful addon for seeing what is going on. |
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Thanks for your help guys. I did try icy veins first, but while they do have an arcane mage class guide it doesnt mention tier 13 bonus at all. |
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cigtymeCoonass and Proud of it
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Houma, LA | said by Immer:Start of fight:
1. Cast ABx10 without blowing any cooldowns. Possibly stick one AM in there so your mana doesn't go down too fast. Goal is to stack the buff.
2. Initial burn phase: blow all cooldowns.
3. Enter conserve phase. During conserve phase, blow arcane power on cooldown. However, do NOT spam arcane blast during arcane power. Instead use your standard conserve phase rotation (for me typically 3-5xAB --> AM). For me this was getting me 80k+ AB crits during conserve phase which is pretty cool. You should be able to get 2 complete uses of arcane power during each conserve phase.
4. Burn phase number 2. This should happen as soon as mana gem comes off cooldown and should include an arcane power use.
The key to arcane and T13 is remembering that your burn phase isn't governed by arcane power. Instead it's governed by evocation. 4T13 increases your dps by giving you 3x the uptime on arcane power compared to someone without it. I talked to some mages and the most important thing to remember is not to burn too much. You will have a round of AP which comes in the burn, and a round that comes in the conserve or maintain phase. No matter what AP when used properly increases all DPS. The 4 piece set just adds a quicker AP, but since it does not increase mana refilling you have to use one of the AP outsside of a burn phase.
I know this is not what us Arcaniacs want. We want to hit Arcane Blast 37 times in a row, but just remember an extra AP is a DPS increase. It is just not as cool as 2 burn phases. Wish the would of lowered the CD on Evocate instead.
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said by TysonFC:said by JB:ummm, icy veins? sorry we arent good at helping you play your class, I guess (not to mention you dont even provide the bonus in your OP, you expect us to know it off the top of our heads.)
Why do you always have to act like a dick? His clearly looking for constructive help OP comes in wanting to know how to play his class with little info given. How was that being a dick. I am sorry. He can't get his answers here, take 5 minutes before raid and look it up on on icy veins, ej, or noxxic. It isn't that hard. I am sure if someone new exactly what to tell him, they wouldve. Not everyone checks this site every second of the day. Mages with the 4 piece could have been afk. |
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DC44
join:2011-12-19
Ridge, NY | reply to Stormhunter
I tend to agree with JB and Tree. Op posted a question, if you dont receive an answer, go research it...
If I posted and no one answered i would do the following:
1. Think that no one knew the answer
2. Go find it out somewhere else.
Storm seemed a little pushy is all, even if that's not what he/she intended..
cheers |
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