 StewyPremium
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Kitchener, ON | Farmers Market food may one day kill you According to Canada's largest food processing and distribution company.
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“Farmers’ markets are great. . . ,” Weston said Tuesday during a speech to about 600 people at the Metro Toronto Convention Centre, but added: “One day they’re going to kill some people though.”»www.thestar.com/living/article/1···#article
Has insanity come this low, I will never buy from Zhers, PC, Loblaws or buy any Weston bread again. 
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| I do think his comment was poorly worded but there is truth in what he is saying.
I myself always enjoy hitting a farmers market during the summer time to buy fresh produce and meat but I am always cautious.
I know some of the sellers hate it but I always check the produce for signs of various bugs. Meat is another one I am cautious of because I have seen sellers selling fresh meat that isn't in a cooler.
As well, I generally question sellers of canned goods because if they are incorrectly processed, there is a chance that you may get something nasty like botulism which can kill you.
I think that Farmers markets are a great source of food and I always prefer giving my money directly to the farmer but I also think it would be good to have food inspections occurring at farmers markets. Currently not many are inspected and if they are, it is usually only for prepared foods. |
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Hmm, and this is only a few years after the "President's Choice Organics 100% Pure Carrot Juice" botulism saga.  |
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What a jackass... I've been buying locally and at farmer's markets for the past decade, here in Ontario, and I've never experienced anything outside of the best quality produce; certainly better than what I could obtain at Loblaws. |
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Odds are he's right though.
The supply chain for food through a supermarket has higher levels of inspection than that of a farmer's market, and things like the Maple Leaf listeria outbreak still slip through. It's just a matter of time before something slips through at a farmer's market. The impact would be far more isolated than when it happens with a supermarket product (and in theory, far more easily contained as you wouldn't be dealing with anything distributed nation-wide), but that e-coli, salmonella or listeria isn't going to be any less dangerous because it was on something you bought straight from a farmer instead of at the grocery store meat counter. |
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Oh man do I ever feel awful! Excuse me while I go sneeze and cough in a Loblaws vegetable counter!
Avoid the radishes! 
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said by Robrr:As well, I generally question sellers of canned goods because if they are incorrectly processed, there is a chance that you may get something nasty like botulism which can kill you.
Isn't that any Oxymoron? "Canned goods" from a Farmers market.....
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said by bt:Odds are he's right though.
The supply chain for food through a supermarket has higher levels of inspection than that of a farmer's market, and things like the Maple Leaf listeria outbreak still slip through. And it's going to get worse as "red tape" is cut and layoffs ensue.
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said by elwoodblues:Isn't that any Oxymoron? "Canned goods" from a Farmers market.....
Preserves. |
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said by elwoodblues:said by Robrr:As well, I generally question sellers of canned goods because if they are incorrectly processed, there is a chance that you may get something nasty like botulism which can kill you.
Isn't that any Oxymoron? "Canned goods" from a Farmers market..... Farmers sell lots of "canned goods". Jam is the quickest example I can think of. I would eat most any jam from a farmers market long before a jar of Smuckers jam or anything else on a store shelf. Way more real fruit and a lot less crap. |
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StewyPremium
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Kitchener, ON | reply to Robrr
said by Robrr:I do think his comment was poorly worded but there is truth in what he is saying. ... but I am always cautious.
Yea it's not like Loblaws sells any massively produced reprocessed foods than make us obese, sick or even kills us right. What about 2008 listeriosis outbreak from Maple Leaf Foods which is one of Canada's largest food processing company that had 9 confirmed deaths in Ontario and 11 suspected deaths in Canada where those products were sold at Weston's stores. and he's saying that Farm food will kill us, what hypocrisy.
Just like other mega corps in Canada like Rogers, Bell and Walmart and others, they are no different and want to kill the little guy by any means possible and have mega corp control of food to make their shareholders happy.
Shame on them, from now on it's Sobey's for me permanently. |
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London, ON | Sobeys is Canada's second largest food chain...that's like saying you are going to boycott Corporate greed and no longer get service through Bell and are going to Rogers instead.
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You don't actually pay attention to context, do you?
He's saying that eventually, someone will die due to something slipping through the food safety requirements for farmers markets, as has already happened with the more restrictive requirements placed on supermarkets and food processing companies.
He wasn't attacking food from farmers markets, the concept of farmers markets, etc. He was commenting on the food safety requirements for them. |
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London, ON | said by bt:He wasn't attacking food from farmers markets, the concept of farmers markets, etc. He was commenting on the food safety requirements for them.
yea...from what i took from the article, he simply wants an even playing field (in terms of inspections, etc).
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said by bt:The supply chain for food through a supermarket has higher levels of inspection than that of a farmer's market, and things like the Maple Leaf listeria outbreak still slip through.
Reading this Weston guy's quote, yours and Robbr's, I'm wondering how the farmer's markets are in your areas?
Between Fort Erie to Niagara to Vineland, we don't have these issues because we know the farmers at these markets and the farmers know each other, this danger doesn't exist. I've never heard of anyone having issues buying at Loccoco's here, which is kind of like a really popular farmer's market as they preference local produce.
What goes on in your area(s)? |
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bt
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| said by urbanriot:because we know the farmers at these markets and the farmers know each other, this danger doesn't exist.
BS. There's a danger if you know the person or not. Knowing the farmer isn't some magical defense against a refrigeration unit running just warm enough to be a problem, or an unnoticed source of contamination. Personal knowledge can help avoid systematic failures, but it won't do a damned thing to avoid isolated failures.
With the growing popularity of farmers markets, it's just a matter of time before an isolated failure happens and someone gets seriously ill or dies due to it.
And you know what? Even with increased food safety requirements, that is still likely to happen at some point. It does with supermarkets. But there are also cases with supermarkets that it gets caught before hitting the shelves precisely because of those increased requirements. |
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| ...pretty much everything you wrote.
Do you know how many deaths we've had in the Niagara Peninsula from purchasing locally grown produce? Zero that I've heard of.
Since you claim to know everything, why don't you tell us how many we've had?
Now ignoring the statistics, you really think a grower known to everyone is going to risk his livelihood by dumping out produce that's contaminated and killing people? C'mon. |
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said by bt:said by urbanriot:because we know the farmers at these markets and the farmers know each other, this danger doesn't exist.
BS. There's a danger if you know the person or not. Knowing the farmer isn't some magical defense against a refrigeration unit running just warm enough to be a problem, or an unnoticed source of contamination. Personal knowledge can help avoid systematic failures, but it won't do a damned thing to avoid isolated failures. With the growing popularity of farmers markets, it's just a matter of time before an isolated failure happens and someone gets seriously ill or dies due to it. And you know what? Even with increased food safety requirements, that is still likely to happen at some point. It does with supermarkets. But there are also cases with supermarkets that it gets caught before hitting the shelves precisely because of those increased requirements. So the question lies, who is liable? The Farmer? The city for facilitating Farmer's market (they are typically in city parks and in Nathan Philips Square).
Considering how anal they are about health regulations, you would wonder if they inspect the farmer's wares.
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said by urbanriot:Between Fort Erie to Niagara to Vineland, we don't have these issues because we know the farmers at these markets and the farmers know each other, this danger doesn't exist. I've never heard of anyone having issues buying at Loccoco's here, which is kind of like a really popular farmer's market as they preference local produce. You're right, I've never thought twice about purchasing food from a market here because I know it's local and I know the people care about their reputations enough to ensure that the products they sell are quality and won't make you sick.
But when you think about some place like Toronto, where there's less of a chance of personal relationships existing and therefore less need to care about reputation plus the opportunity to move around to make a quick buck, would you not think twice about it like we do here?
I think that was the point he was trying to make, they should be subject to the same inspections, and unfortunately the lowest common denominator has to ruin it for everyone else. |
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said by urbanriot:...pretty much everything you wrote. Do you know how many deaths we've had in the Niagara Peninsula from purchasing locally grown produce? Zero that I've heard of. Since you claim to know everything, why don't you tell us how many we've had? "matter of time", indicative of events yet to happen. Future tense.
said by urbanriot:Now ignoring the statistics, you really think a grower known to everyone is going to risk his livelihood by dumping out produce that's contaminated and killing people? C'mon.
No, I don't. They're going to do everything they can to avoid that. But "everything they can" isn't enough to give 100% certainty. There is always the chance of contamination, no matter what the source of the food is. All that responsible growers (or responsible food processing companies, or responsible supermarket chains) can do is take the precautions that lower that risk to very small levels. |
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