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Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 19:17:50 EDT

Kristopher posted : I didn't either, but you should be able to see why I though it was Ad for not voting Protus when I logically narrowed it down to Protus as a definite mafia. His inability to vote sold me into thinking he was the other scum.

I do see your point though. If you can't see the forest for the trees, you miss key points that fly by your narrow vision.
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Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 19:06:06 EDT

Antonica posted : While emotions may be going overboard lately (part of that is probably me pushing people to follow their gut :P)... people really need to think about the scenarios and possibilities and stop seeing one item of info in front them and holding it like it's gold.

I really didn't trust ekster and had I been kept alive, I would have voted for him. I even protected Jobbie for a 2nd night before I died :P
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Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:50:06 EDT

Kristopher posted : Welcome to the game. As Mafia, anything you can do to add Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt is pretty much your job. You are a lying factory of FUD, while at the same time playing as though you were town. It's a fine line to walk. And I always am taken for mafia, whether I really am or not. I use that to my advantage. Take a look at some of the recent games if you have time for reference and maybe some tactics. Read the end pages instead of wading through the whole thing.

The Dune game should be starting up as soon as ekster's current game ends.
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Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:45:22 EDT

Adalicia posted :

said by Kristopher:

Ada: I think you are up there if not the best first time mafia players I've seen while I've been here. This game isn't easy to play, especially at first. It's all cheats and liars from here on in, so I just assume you had prior practice. Plus the redditor confirmation kind of gives credit as well.

It was your meta gaming that made me so god damn sure of myself. Still kicking my own ass over it. The fake cop claim saying you, me, and PM were the only ones he didn't clear just added fuel to the fire. Bah.

Also, reddit just seethed collectively.
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Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:38:08 EDT

Kristopher posted : I thought the loop was where we were headed, and planned to let it go on forever in order to get information. Luckily your threat worked and they killed Antonica, even though we failed in the end.

Protus jump on the vote was just more fuel to the fire. Either way you look at it, Protus needed to go, be it Adalicia scum or ekster scum. I just could not convince Ada. I got jobbie, but not Ada. I blame myself only for metagaming that Ada got a mafia role and talking about it. Not for not stopping everything after Protus' fail hammer. Jobbie was 100% correct. We could not have convinced Ada at that point due to her (jokes) emotional investment and certainty that I was mafia.

Great job to ekster and PM for a well played mafia. Games where risks are taken are the most fun. They don't always work though (Kris town fake cop claim, for example).

Jobbie, excellent look at the logic in order to see my point on Protus.

Ada: I think you are up there if not the best first time mafia players I've seen while I've been here. This game isn't easy to play, especially at first. It's all cheats and liars from here on in, so I just assume you had prior practice. Plus the redditor confirmation kind of gives credit as well.

Savious: Where'd you go man?

Drew: You're still a dweeb. Your comment caught me off guard, but seriously, take the edge off. Drink some of that homebrew or something. :)
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Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:36:29 EDT

ProtusMose posted : Paraphrase Pharisee

Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:17:10 EDT

drew posted :

said by ProtusMose:

Except drew threatened us with death if we no-killed again. lol

Negative.

I threatened to not allow you to no-kill more than 3 times.

I did not want the game to get stuck in a loop where town wants more info so they no lynch and the mafia no kills, etc.
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Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:51:29 EDT

ekster posted :

said by ProtusMose:

We didn't think it was either, but it was the more fun option.

^^ plus sometimes it's better to do the unexpected, even if it doesn't exactly benefit you. The following chaos/confusion can make the game very easy for mafia afterwards.

Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:47:44 EDT

ProtusMose posted : We didn't think it was either, but it was the more fun option.

Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:44:57 EDT

Archivis posted : Well played.

I don't think the no-kill idea was a good one, but you still won it.

Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:43:47 EDT

ProtusMose posted : Don't feel bad. When ekster and I get together, beautiful babies are born and the town's best laid plans are torn asunder.

Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:38:15 EDT

Adalicia posted :

said by Antonica:

don't mistake me for being an ass about my comments. I was exactly like you and even though I ended being right 90% of the time and got my 'bloodhound' nickname... I still had to learn that there was simply things going on that even how sure I was about someonel, I didn't know all the facts :P

I'm not, I've seen you posting around here often enough over the last three years to know how you say shit and what you mean when you do so. No offense taken Antonica, it was a completely valid criticism and I honestly do hope it is something that I learn from.

Haha, I still feel bad for losing it for town.
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Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:34:37 EDT

Antonica posted : don't mistake me for being an ass about my comments. I was exactly like you and even though I ended being right 90% of the time and got my 'bloodhound' nickname... I still had to learn that there was simply things going on that even how sure I was about someonel, I didn't know all the facts :P

Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:24:21 EDT

ProtusMose posted :

said by ekster:

said by Jobbie:

That is why you got silenced.

Not this time. We just figured that because no one countered my cop claim and because none of us were role blockers, someone had to be a doc. It obviously wasn't Kris or Adal as they would've spoken right away and ended the game. It was between Jobbie and Ant, and Ant's and Kris' exchange at the end made it too easy to pick. We needed a dead doc to be able to claim that I got roleblocked, so a dead doc we got. :D

I was actually tempted to do another 'no kill' night until that moment.

Also, for a first game with no mentor, Ada did damn good, considering the huge soup of FUD we made in the last two days.

Except drew threatened us with death if we no-killed again. lol
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Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:24:04 EDT

ekster posted : But Gbcue is a girl! :o

Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:23:32 EDT

Adalicia posted :

said by Antonica:

it's not the number of mistakes he made, it's his thinking behind them. Like he even said, he thinks in absolutes, and you just simply can not do that.

I agree and hopefully will have a better showing next time around.
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Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:23:11 EDT

Archivis posted :

said by Adalicia:

Depends on which board we're talking about despite the fact that I am a guy, most know I am a guy, there are a select few, especially over on the WoW and PC Gaming forums like to perpetuate the myth that I am in fact a woman and it never ceases to confuse and confound new posters over there.

Woot, another Gbcue.
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Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:21:41 EDT

ekster posted :

said by Jobbie:

That is why you got silenced.

Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:20:50 EDT

Adalicia posted :

said by ProtusMose:

Can we get a sex confirmation? I see "Alicia" as part of the name and a kitten and theink "she". Others are referring to "he".

Or we can refer to you as "it" in future games. :)

Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:20:12 EDT

Antonica posted : mistakes will be made, its how you view the game that makes you a better player

Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:19:42 EDT

Jobbie posted : Congrats Ada for a great game it could have gone either way after Sav's fuck up.

That is why we newbs must unite!
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Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:19:40 EDT

Antonica posted : it's not the number of mistakes he made, it's his thinking behind them. Like he even said, he thinks in absolutes, and you just simply can not do that.

Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:19:17 EDT

ProtusMose posted : Can we get a sex confirmation? I see "Alicia" as part of the name and a kitten and theink "she". Others are referring to "he".

Or we can refer to you as "it" in future games. :)

Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:18:46 EDT

Antonica posted : you'll make mistakes.. that ironically is the only absolute :P

even though it's not a crazy game... all games are the same that you can almost never be sure of anything.... there is logic to the game and it can be sorted out, but for the most part you really can't know for sure. Look at the mafia even... they didn't know if they had a doc or cop... they guessed.

Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:17:45 EDT

drew posted : I disagree with Ant on the number of mistakes you made, logically. The end "mistake" isn't really your fault. It's an emotional part of the game and it's a technical play that you have to have knowledge of to play correctly.

I was watching Ada's posts and analyzing it... the only thing I can say is that he went after KrisT like a blood hound and didn't let up. That, from my cheap seats, was a mistake. That being said, first game? Mad props.
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Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:16:11 EDT

Jim posted : Sheesh

The new guys did great imo.
I am impressed (and humbled).
I certainly could not have done as well.

PM and dat der Canada dude did a bang up job. :p

Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:15:42 EDT

Adalicia posted :

said by Antonica:

yeah. well played. And ada didn't play great, she had a lot of "well couldn't have been this" statements that are obviously completely wrong and absolutely can't be in a game like this.

Learn and apply I guess is all I can say. I have a tendency to think in absolutes, probably because in addition to being an art nerd I was a math nerd too, just more to file away for next time and mistakes to not repeat.
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Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:14:44 EDT

Antonica posted :

said by Jobbie:

That is why you got silenced.

it usually is :( you have no idea.

Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:13:49 EDT

Jobbie posted : That is why you got silenced.

Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:13:36 EDT

Archivis posted :

said by drew:

By the way, even Arch didn't think ekster was scum. When, after PM tried to hammer, I PMed him asking him who was scum, he replied Ada and PM.

LOLOL

I was 50/50 on the cop claim. I figured Ada wasn't being genuine after the logic was flowing his way, so it was him and PM.
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Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:13:22 EDT

ekster posted : My first rule of playing as scum: Play it like you're town.

The rest will sort itself out by the others.

Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:12:33 EDT

Antonica posted : i was the only one who thought he was full of it? :(

Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:12:17 EDT

Antonica posted : yeah. well played. And ada didn't play great, she had a lot of "well couldn't have been this" statements that are obviously completely wrong and absolutely can't be in a game like this.

Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:12:01 EDT

drew posted : By the way, even Arch didn't think ekster was scum. When, after PM tried to hammer, I PMed him asking him who was scum, he replied Ada and PM.

LOLOL
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Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:11:08 EDT

Antonica posted : ugh

Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:10:57 EDT

Jobbie posted : Well played indeed ekster. :D

Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:10:41 EDT

ProtusMose posted :

said by drew:

said by Adalicia:

said by drew:

This is where I am really sad we don't have enough people for mentors.

That was a very, very clear mafia hammer attempt. You always, the moment you see a drive-by vote like that would end the game but didn't, want to unvote. Immediately. As in, don't post anything else just get that unvote post up as quick as possible.

Experience and trial and error leads to learning.

Sorry town. Bah...

I want to make sure you know you played really, really well, especially as a newbie.

I honestly probably would've lost as town, especially after the night before when I got a PM saying "No kill" from PM. That was an EXCELLENT move that they deserve kudos for.

Con. I was very impressed. I've been playing for a year, and I fear you're way ahead of me already.
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Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:09:16 EDT

ekster posted : Actually, we didn't know a damn.

Jobbie didn't die not because you protected him... he didn't die because we sent a 'no kill' order.

We had no idea about a cop or a doc. I took a wild guess and claimed cop after no lynch, thinking there's going to be a cop and I'll just have to convince the rest that he's the scum and not me, or that there's a doc who will speak up and make it easy.... And your exchange with Kris made me think that you were the doc so we killed you the next night... making everything else fit in nicely. ;)

Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:07:46 EDT

drew posted :

said by Adalicia:

said by drew:

Experience and trial and error leads to learning.

Sorry town. Bah...

Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:06:01 EDT

Antonica posted : ignore spelling mistakes, in a hurry

Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:05:50 EDT

drew posted :

said by Kristopher:

Thanks for modding drew, and get off your fucking high horse, you little dweeb. You an ignorant shit sometimes.

I look forward to hearing why you didn't back off and go logic on everyone. That's usually your MO and after Savious wrecked the game for town, I really wanted them to win.
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Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:05:41 EDT

Antonica posted : I hate all of you for beliving ekster. Mafia knew if there was a cop or not.

My reference to Jobbie was YES I PROTECTED HIM. The ONLY people who would have known that was MAFIA :P. THey knew I protected, so why not come out and "clear" who was protected and another known townie. Mafia fake cop claim 101. sigh. I even said it was too convientent... i was hoping someone would read my posts and go back to that and figure it out :( Sigh.
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Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:03:07 EDT

Kristopher posted : GG all. Thanks for modding drew, and get off your fucking high horse, you little dweeb. You an ignorant shit sometimes.

That said, everyone played well. I'll post more after I get back from my seminar.
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Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:03:00 EDT

Jobbie posted :

said by ProtusMose:

What huge mistake? That was 0:14 away from being game.

Lol it was my second bait in the game.
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Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:01:36 EDT

ProtusMose posted : What huge mistake? That was 0:14 away from being game.

Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:01:29 EDT

Jobbie posted :

said by drew:

said by Jobbie:

there was no way to make Adalicia change his mind after all. So it was GG from there.

This is not true.

You HAVE to make an appeal to the other towns' logic.

You unvote, encourage others to do the same and then paint a clear picture of the events that transpired in the game. That's not to say that the other people have to listen, but when you step back, take emotions out of it, you'll hopefully have a clear picture. If you showed time stamps on the posts, the rushed post "SCum", etc. you'll have a compelling case.

It was a fantastic game, but Mose made a HUGE mistake here and would have had it not been a newbie game.

You are totally right i guess i didn't say anything after it, thought it was self explained after KrisT had.

Learning a lot from you guys.

It was a great game.
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Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:00:49 EDT

ekster posted :

said by Kristopher:

said by ekster:

Sorry guys.. was having lunch. A lot to reread.

And there you have it. If he was scum, he would have just hammered. Booya!

Heading to my meeting. I'll check by phone to see Protus hang. :)

Haha, love you too, Kris. :D

Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:59:40 EDT

ProtusMose posted : At least I had the sense to stay in character for my hammer vote.

"HAHA WE WIN GO MAFIA
vote kristopher!!!11!"

Would have been a little harder to back off from.

Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:59:11 EDT

drew posted :

said by Jobbie:

there was no way to make Adalicia change his mind after all. So it was GG from there.

Re: [game] Newbie F11

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:58:51 EDT

Adalicia posted :

said by drew:

Experience and trial and error leads to learning.

Sorry town. Bah...
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