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halsneb
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join:2005-10-14
Osage, IA

reply to redking

Re: [CA] *NOT ASKING HOW* Is it legal to uncap?

Fist off this thread should have been locked quite some time ago.

But if you want to get into grey areas of the laws and tos of Mediacom we can.

Can you modify a modem you own? yes.

Can you put on a modified config file? Yes, assuming you have the tools and the knowledge to do so.

Is there any specific mention about uncapping or modification of non-Mediacom equipment in the AUP? No there is not, however there is verbiage that they can modify this policy anytime they see fit, and for the most part cancel you service for any reason.

No onto you other problem, there is specific mention of problems with non Mediacom owned equipment, which fits your situation. It does state any issues speed, service, or otherwise found on non-Mediacom equipment is not there responsibility. This pretty much means since you own your modem if you have issues with you provisioned speed or connectivity all they need to do is prove you have service to the modem, which they will test, and their trouble shooting is done. Keep pissing and moaning and this is exactly how you will be treated.
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"User, Noun. The word computer professionals use when they mean Idiot." -- Dave Barry


Cheese
Premium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
kudos:1

1 edit

reply to redking
"Uncapping, in the context of cable modems, refers to a number of activities performed to alter one's internet service provider modem settings. It is sometimes done for the sake of bandwidth (i.e. by buying a 512kbit/s access modem and then altering it to 10Mbit/s), pluggable interfaces (as by using more than one public ID), or any configurable options a DOCSIS modem can offer.

Uncapping may be considered an illegal activity and many internet service providers check modem configuration files nightly to detect uncapped modems. If caught, uncappers risk possible account termination and/or prosecution for theft of service.[citation needed] Note that regardless of legality, uncapping may be a violation of the Terms of Service agreement that the customer has with the ISP."

Also...

»Nailed to the Wall

"Ohio police this past summer shocked broadband users nationwide by engaging in an unprecedented and frighteningly severe crackdown of area customers who had uncapped their cable modems. In conjunction with the FBI, 17 Buckeye cable users were served warrants, seven of whom had their possessions taken, face fifth-degree felony charges (punishable by up to one year in prison), and have had their lives changed forever. For the record, uncapping ( hacking your modem in order to gain access to untapped bandwidth) is not legal. Those who perform the practice can expect retaliation from their broadband provider, and should expect serious repercussions for doing so. That said, one Ohio ISP has taken punishment for the practice to an unprecedented level that should raise the eyebrows of providers, customers, and concerned citizens alike."

So...like everyone said, it's against TOS and IS ILLEGAL.

So just drop it now, thanks.



burner50
Proud Union THUG
Premium,VIP
join:2002-06-05
Texas
kudos:1

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reply to redking

said by redking:

Terms of Service, as I have stated, are based on opinion at this point.

I have clearly shown you where this violates the acceptable use policy, and it clearly states in the Terms of Service that you must comply with the Acceptable Use Policy

said by redking:

The fact no actual laws exist would make it all the more difficult to comment on...

Noboy here is a lawyer. If you want to inquire about the legality, contact your attorney.

said by redking:

If I were to uncap my modem, and modify the docsis file I would probably set it to 12mbps, or maybe LOWER

Just to piss off all you haters

You would still probably have your account cancelled, and none of the "haters" here (Actually people trying to talk some sense into you) would be the wiser.

said by redking:

I'm not one to steal service I'm not paying for.

I'm not one of those entitlement occupy wall street types

Thats the way you started this thread... By stealing 15MBPS because that is what you were promised, completely ignoring the fact that mediacom has NEVER offered a residential package anywhere near that speed and I doubt your modem would even be able to handle.

Mediacom CSR's are idiots who are in contracted call centers. They have no idea what they're selling or how it works, but they know the more they sell, the more money they make. So the "Somebody Promised" argument isn't valid because mediacom reserves the right to change the service levels at any time, so even if you were offered a 120Mbps package like you claim, unless it says it in your contract specifically, that you FAILED to obtain a copy of, Mediacom has the right to change the level of service at any time.

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I'm tired of killing stupid people just trying to do my job and go home!


ptrowski
Got Helix?
Premium
join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
kudos:4

reply to redking
You know what? Go for it, obviously that is what you want to hear, so uncap that thing and max it out. Enjoy your speeds. Also you are not too bright as they know who you are since you asked for help from someone here.



oldcableguy

@myvzw.com

reply to redking
Say Hi to bubba for me, I heard he likes "uncapping" your "purdy" teeth! Now that I had to weigh in TWICE can we PLEASE lock this thread???



Cheese
Premium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
kudos:1

Because you commented, this needs to be locked? It's not your decision? No? Well, there you go.


redking

join:2011-09-28
Clearlake, CA

reply to Cheese

Re: [CA] *NOT ASKING HOW* Is it legal to uncap?

Street racing is illegal because:

"Three Bellingham-area men were arrested Sunday afternoon after they were seen racing north from Kent to Seattle on Interstate 5 at speeds exceeding 90 mph."

Also, it is just common sense, anything that is wrong is illegal and the police can come and arrest you just because it is wrong

And I am a complete retard, hurr durr

This forums says it is wrong and blur blur herp derp derp

And it is really dangerous

And it is stealing from the people who maintaint the roads
And it is wrong because people have to pay to use a race track

And HURRRRRRRRRR


ACTUALLY Street racing is illegal because:
23109. (a) A person shall not engage in a motor vehicle speed contest on a highway. As used in this section, a motor vehicle speed contest includes a motor vehicle race against another vehicle, a clock, or other timing device. For purposes of this section, an event in which the time to cover a prescribed route of more than 20 miles is measured, but where the vehicle does not exceed the speed limits, is not a speed contest.

This is how you CITE A LAW

And SO FAR NONE of you have been able to do this


Cheese
Premium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
kudos:1

said by redking:

Street racing is illegal because:

"Three Bellingham-area men were arrested Sunday afternoon after they were seen racing north from Kent to Seattle on Interstate 5 at speeds exceeding 90 mph."

Also, it is just common sense, anything that is wrong is illegal and the police can come and arrest you just because it is wrong

And I am a complete retard, hurr durr

This forums says it is wrong and blur blur herp derp derp

And it is really dangerous

And it is stealing from the people who maintaint the roads
And it is wrong because people have to pay to use a race track

And HURRRRRRRRRR


ACTUALLY Street racing is illegal because:
23109. (a) A person shall not engage in a motor vehicle speed contest on a highway. As used in this section, a motor vehicle speed contest includes a motor vehicle race against another vehicle, a clock, or other timing device. For purposes of this section, an event in which the time to cover a prescribed route of more than 20 miles is measured, but where the vehicle does not exceed the speed limits, is not a speed contest.

This is how you CITE A LAW

And SO FAR NONE of you have been able to do this

And uncapping your modem is illegal, you can do what you want, but when you get thrown in jail, we will be here to say "told you so".


DrDrew
So that others may surf.

join:2009-01-28
SoCal
kudos:9

2 edits

reply to redking

said by redking:

...
This is how you CITE A LAW

And SO FAR NONE of you have been able to do this

Apparently you can't click a link, so here goes.

Cable modem uncapping is illegal because:

quote:
CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE 502(c)
"COMPREHENSIVE COMPUTER DATA ACCESS AND FRAUD ACT"

(1) Knowingly accesses and without permission alters, damages,
deletes, destroys, or otherwise uses any data, computer, computer
system, or computer network in order to either (A) devise or execute
any scheme or artifice to defraud, deceive, or extort, or (B)
wrongfully control or obtain money, property, or data.

(2) Knowingly accesses and without permission takes, copies, or
makes use of any data from a computer, computer system, or computer
network, or takes or copies any supporting documentation, whether
existing or residing internal or external to a computer, computer
system, or computer network.

(3) Knowingly and without permission uses or causes to be used
computer services.

(4) Knowingly accesses and without permission adds, alters,
damages, deletes, or destroys any data, computer software, or
computer programs which reside or exist internal or external to a
computer, computer system, or computer network.

(5) Knowingly and without permission disrupts or causes the
disruption of computer services or denies or causes the denial of
computer services to an authorized user of a computer, computer
system, or computer network.

(6) Knowingly and without permission provides or assists in
providing a means of accessing a computer, computer system, or
computer network in violation of this section.

(7) Knowingly and without permission accesses or causes to be
accessed any computer, computer system, or computer network.

(8) Knowingly introduces any computer contaminant into any
computer, computer system, or computer network.

(9) Knowingly and without permission uses the Internet domain name
of another individual, corporation, or entity in connection with the
sending of one or more electronic mail messages, and thereby damages
or causes damage to a computer, computer system, or computer
network.
Here's a federal law, if the state law isn't good enough for you:

quote:
Federal Statute 47 U.S.C. 553

Unauthorized reception of cable service

(a) Unauthorized interception or receipt or assistance in intercepting or receiving service; "assist in intercepting or receiving" defined

No person shall intercept or receive or assist in intercepting or receiving any communications service offered over a cable system, unless specifically authorized to do so by a cable operator or as may otherwise be specifically authorized by law.
For the purpose of this section, the term "assist in intercepting or receiving" shall include the manufacture or distribution of equipment intended by the manufacturer or distributor (as the case may be) for unauthorized reception of any communications service offered over a cable system in violation of subparagraph (1).

(b) Penalties for willful violation

Any person who willfully violates subsection (a)(1) of this section shall be fined not more than $1,000 or imprisoned for not more than 6 months, or both.
Any person who violates subsection (a)(1) of this section willfully and for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain shall be fined not more than $50,000 or imprisoned for not more than 2 years, or both, for the first such offense and shall be fined not more than $100,000 or imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or both, for any subsequent offense.
For purposes of all penalties and remedies established for violations of subsection (a)(1) of this section, the prohibited activity established herein as it applies to each such device shall be deemed a separate violation.

(c) Civil action in district court; injunctions; damages; attorney's fees and costs; regulation by States or franchising authorities

Any person aggrieved by any violation of subsection (a)(1) of this section may bring a civil action in a United States district court or in any other court of competent jurisdiction.
The court may -

(A) grant temporary and final injunctions on such terms as it may deem reasonable to prevent or restrain violations of subsection (a)(1) of this section;

(B) award damages as described in paragraph (3); and

(C) direct the recovery of full costs, including awarding reasonable attorneys' fees to an aggrieved party who prevails.
(A) Damages awarded by any court under this section shall be computed in accordance with either of the following clauses:

(i) the party aggrieved may recover the actual damages suffered by him as a result of the violation and any profits of the violator that are attributable to the violation which are not taken into account in computing the actual damages; in determining the violator's profits, the party aggrieved shall be required to prove only the violator's gross revenue, and the violator shall be required to prove his deductible expenses and the elements of profit attributable to factors other than the violation; or

(ii) the party aggrieved may recover an award of statutory damages for all violations involved in the action, in a sum of not less than $250 or more than $10,000 as the court considers just.

(B) In any case in which the court finds that the violation was committed willfully and for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain, the court in its discretion may increase the award of damages, whether actual or statutory under subparagraph (A), by an amount of not more than $50,000.

(C) In any case where the court finds that the violator was not aware and had no reason to believe that his acts constituted a violation of this section, the court in its discretion may reduce the award of damages to a sum of not less than $100.

(D) Nothing in this subchapter shall prevent any State or franchising authority from enacting or enforcing laws, consistent with this section, regarding the unauthorized interception or reception of any cable service or other communications service.
Then again you never asked for us to cite a law, you asked if it was illegal. I also stated that long before you run into legal trouble, you'll run into trouble with your provider and get your service cut off due to the terms of service.
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If it's important, back it up... twice. Even 99.999% availability isn't enough sometimes.


Cheese
Premium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
kudos:1

Anyone with common sense knows it's illegal...


redking

join:2011-09-28
Clearlake, CA

reply to DrDrew
Please cite the law specifically like I did.

I could have included all of the subsections, but I only included the one pertaining to the actual crime.


redking

join:2011-09-28
Clearlake, CA

reply to Cheese
See my previous post, I already quoted you on that before you even said it

I even added in the hurr durrs to show how smart you are



Cheese
Premium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
kudos:1

said by redking:

See my previous post, I already quoted you on that before you even said it

I even added in the hurr durrs to show how smart you are

The only HURR DURR is on your part, from the beginning you were told it WAS ILLEGAL, you KEPT GOING ON about it.... again, HURR DURR yourself


DrDrew
So that others may surf.

join:2009-01-28
SoCal
kudos:9

reply to redking

said by redking:

Please cite the law specifically like I did.

No.


Cheese
Premium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
kudos:1

I think it's time to stop feeding the troll...



Oldcableguy

@spcsdns.net

This guy is an idiot!!



Boss302_1970

join:2009-12-11

reply to redking
correct me if I'm wrong, but if your on a hub, card, or node and there is so much b/w allotted for your area, and you uncap your modem, then you're actually taking away b/w from others in your area. I had a friend in a different state that did this. his b/w was amazing (2002), back in the days when MC was 1.5 down / 128 up. ISP was NOT MC. he got caught in a few days and his service was suspended, and he had to wait for several months before they would accept him again as a customer. so if your taking extra b/w away from others. it cant be a good thing. also he said he got a visit from the local police. there must have been some sort of legal issues.



halsneb
Premium
join:2005-10-14
Osage, IA

reply to redking

said by redking:

Please cite the law specifically like I did.

I could have included all of the subsections, but I only included the one pertaining to the actual crime.

Here you go:

CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE 502(c)
"COMPREHENSIVE COMPUTER DATA ACCESS AND FRAUD ACT"

(1) Knowingly accesses and without permission alters, damages,
deletes, destroys, or otherwise uses any data, computer, computer
system, or computer network in order to either (A) devise or execute
any scheme or artifice to defraud, deceive, or extort, or (B)
wrongfully control or obtain money, property, or data.

By modifying your config or uncapping your modem you would be performing the act of defrauding Mediacom, it also would destroy the data that they have placed on the modem, which while the modem is yours, the configuration data placed on it is theirs for use on their network.
--
"User, Noun. The word computer professionals use when they mean Idiot." -- Dave Barry


ClimberVP

@mchsi.com

Oh my God you guys, this guy is clearly a troll. The only thing MediacomChad should be working with him on is the date of termination for his account. IF he is even in fact a real customer, which I am seriously beginning to doubt.

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