Wireless network on 4 floors and 50 clients..?

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Kuda @t-com.hr	Wireless network on 4 floors and 50 clients..? hello! project is to set up network for "villa" with 4 floors but cannot use wires.. on every floor there are 10 rooms which can have multiple clients (laptops, ipads, smartphones) so let's say 50 clients.. can you give me some advices on how to set up whole thing so the users in every room have decent speed for surfing and watching videos online.. i don't quite understand how to cover all the floors with ap-s or repeaters so that actual throughput stays enough high for everyone.. if let's say i put one router on first floor on which i connect dsl with enough fast line (or is it better to have two lines from maybe two different isp-s so that there is no real possibility of loosing access to internet if one isp have some problem) and access points on every floor, will that configuration work? this is school project so it's somewhat hypothetical scenario, but i should make project like it is real thing ofc.. i hope you understand question and have some advices.. thx in advance!
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Anav Sarcastic Llama? Naw, Just Acerbic Premium join:2001-07-16 Dartmouth, NS kudos:3	Hmmm, school project. Perhaps come back after you have done a least an iota of research and are asking specific questions that are understandably difficult for a non IT trained person to grasp. Not here to do your homework.
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HELLFIRE join:2009-11-25 kudos:4	reply to Kuda said by Kuda : i don't quite understand how to cover all the floors with ap-s or repeaters so that actual throughput stays enough high for everyone.. Put "site survey" into your search engine of choice and go from there. Regards
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davidhoffman Premium join:2009-11-19 Warner Robins, GA kudos:1 Reviews: ·Millenicom ·AT&T Southeast ·Verizon Wireless..	reply to Kuda These might give you a start: »c541678.r78.cf2.rackcdn.com/case···bird.pdf »c541678.r78.cf2.rackcdn.com/case···hill.pdf »c541678.r78.cf2.rackcdn.com/case···rgia.pdf »c541678.r78.cf2.rackcdn.com/case···-rcm.pdf »c541678.r78.cf2.rackcdn.com/case···rice.pdf »www.ruckuswireless.com/ »www.ruckuswireless.com/technology/smartmesh »www.netgear.com/home/products/po···001.aspx
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Kuda @t-com.hr	reply to Kuda thx guys for tips.. i want some help, because i am "little" confused and while i am surfing, reading and trying to understand by myself i am not coming to conclusion.. if we put AP on every floor, let's say that one AP per floor is enough in terms of signal coverage (or is it?), how to connect that 4 APs with router on first floor which is connected to dsl line..? i understand that is possible to configure APs in such way so clients don't see each other, which is important.. do i put more routers? i think the most elegant way is to have one SSID for all floors or again - is it? if all AP's are on same network (SSID) are then all 4 floors covered with signal in such way that one user can walk between floors and rooms and have non stop signal - switching from one ap's emitting signal to another without need to make new connection to that next AP, or computers are connecting to router through AP so when is all connected APs serves just like "wire" .. erm.. i don't know what i wrote, or what i think exactly but hopefully you can understand my thoughts it's late here and i'm little confused with all of this.. and btw, i know it seems like i want final result without putting some effort, but i'm surfing and trying to come to some conclusion by myself, but it's not looking i will get it done in one day so i really hope for some help i read about wds like maybe option, but understand that that way like repeaters cut throughput in half and don't have possibility for stronger security sometimes and some other disadvantage.. so to summarize what i need: 4 floors with 10 rooms each no wires users should not see each others decent speeds for internet usage and that's pretty much all parameters i have, rest is on me.. (you
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bdnhsv join:2012-01-20 Huntsville, AL	I don't think anyone can provide you the kind of concrete answers you are seeking since this whole scenario is hypothetical. In a real world situation you'd have more information such as the height of the ceilings the dimensions of the building, the type of material the building was made of, details about wiring and other radio interference sources nearby, the models and brands of equipment you were using, etc. Without all those types of details no one can really give you the answers you are seeking.
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Kuda @t-com.hr	reply to Kuda yes, i understand your point, and that's why i'm struggling because of not defined parameters.. well.. i think i will create that with one router and 6 aps.. router on first floor with "permanent line" form isp with 200 Mbps and on each floor one ap's with 2 more - one on floor 3 and 1, just for safety in case one ap stop working.. "i measured" that one ap is enough per floor in terms of signal coverage.. now, i understand that first ap on first floor must be in bridge mode to connect with router and others do not? that logical configuration is the confusing part because i (and others in my small class for that matter) don't have enough knowledge yet.. and next is to put down on paper logical topology as well as physical scheme which is another "hard" part for me i wonder if someone have some examples, i googled but not finding any useful stuff.. btw, thx again for any help..
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Anav Sarcastic Llama? Naw, Just Acerbic Premium join:2001-07-16 Dartmouth, NS kudos:3	reply to Kuda There are other ways to connect Aps to routers besides wifi. Check out mOCA and similar powerline methods
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Anav Sarcastic Llama? Naw, Just Acerbic Premium join:2001-07-16 Dartmouth, NS kudos:3	reply to Kuda More food for thought, it many of my readings of the wisp and higher end wifi crowd,they often use outdoor APs to solve similiar issues vice trying the indoor solution.
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HELLFIRE join:2009-11-25 kudos:4	reply to Kuda said by Kuda : if we put AP on every floor, let's say that one AP per floor is enough in terms of signal coverage (or is it?), how to connect that 4 APs with router on first floor which is connected to dsl line..? Since this is a hypothetical situation, so long as it's a valid way of interconnecting devices, that's the answer. As said before, without a concrete size, height, dimensions, construction materials, etc, it's all speculation. said by Kuda : i understand that is possible to configure APs in such way so clients don't see each other, which is important.. do i put more routers? Are you trying to isolate each and every client from one another? Or segment the wireless between groups of users, for example "accounting," "engineering," "finance," etc. for the sake of argument. said by Kuda : i think the most elegant way is to have one SSID for all floors or again - is it? I'll say it again, "it depends on the actual requirements." said by Kuda : if all AP's are on same network (SSID) are then all 4 floors covered with signal in such way that one user can walk between floors and rooms and have non stop signal It's called wireless roaming, and yes this can be set up and there is equipment that can do this. Regards
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jaa Premium,MVM join:2000-06-13 kudos:2 Reviews: ·Optimum Online ·Vonage	reply to Kuda Simply have a 5ghz backbone connecting the APs, and 2.4ghz for the clients. Don't worry about throughput - dsl line will be the limiting factor anyway. -- NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists.
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Kuda @t-com.hr	reply to HELLFIRE said by HELLFIRE: Are you trying to isolate each and every client from one another? Or segment the wireless between groups of users, for example "accounting," "engineering," "finance," etc. for the sake of argument. yes, i want isolate every client because they will be guests in that mansion-hotel.. i understand that that is in AP features - "client isolation".. and "i put" same ssid because of possibility of roaming, i presume it necessary for automatic transition of one ap's coverage to another.. said by jaa : Simply have a 5ghz backbone connecting the APs, and 2.4ghz for the clients. Don't worry about throughput - dsl line will be the limiting factor anyway. can you explaine how to exactly do that? ap's with multiple antennas, where one is for connecting ap's together and one for transmiting signal to clients? if devices with n standard are using mimo tehnology, so there are multiple antennas for purpose of speed how than to "separate" tasks? or are they specific devices (ap's) for that need? i don't quite understand how to connect all that routers all together on all floors and finally with router, because if we put them in repeater mode or wds than i understand that is too many points to repeat and bandwidth will be to low in the end.. i am asking here, because we have strange "professor", who give us some task, and what to learn, but he don't explain nothing.. we have been (there are 5 of us in class) yesterday with ours projects, more less the same, but in the end of day we don't exactly know how to really connect all that.. thing is, i can, and i am surfing , reading, i learn much that way, but some particular tasks like this one i cannot come to conclusion by myself.. well, friend has put one option where he find some ap's which use one antenna for wds with other ap's and second for clients, is that what are you saying? but i understand that was g standard, so not quite enough.. so if you guys write some more about connecting and modes in which they will be working, you will be of real help for me.. and i really appreciate your help..
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HELLFIRE join:2009-11-25 kudos:4	reply to Kuda Never heard of this requirement before, and curious if you're looking for a high security environment, or overcomplicating the requirements. In any case... And as far as I know, yes if you want to roam, you need the same SSID. Again, depends on the actual equipment used in the implementation. said by Kuda : i am asking here, because we have strange "professor", who give us some task, and what to learn, but he don't explain nothing.. we have been (there are 5 of us in class) yesterday with ours projects, more less the same, but in the end of day we don't exactly know how to really connect all that.. thing is, i can, and i am surfing , reading, i learn much that way, but some particular tasks like this one i cannot come to conclusion by myself.. Good that you're trying to learn, though I'm not sure about "professors" who toss assignments from out in left field and leave you vague things like this. At least can you tell us if you have a basic understanding of wired and wireless networking, ethernet, cat5, etc going into this? Regards
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Kuda @t-com.hr	Well, we are not sure about that "professor" too.. it's learning course of 135h, we have done something like 95h, most of the time have been doing osi model.. and by that i mean - reading wikipedia and some other sites with something like explanation in terms of stupid analogy.. yesterday we installed winxp so waste of 3h.. so.. i have some knowledge, basics for sure but for this task actual connectivity is confusing..
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HELLFIRE join:2009-11-25 kudos:4	reply to Kuda Get any actual hands-on time with actual equipment, or has it mostly been Google and RTFMB? If the latter, I'd find somewhere better else to learn this stuff, seriously. Regards
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