| Retail ISPs not subject to Broadcasting Act, court rules »www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story···ips.html
Retail internet service providers, such as Rogers and Bell, that provide end‑users with access to broadcasting over the internet are not subject to the Broadcasting Act because they "take no part in the selection, origination, or packaging of content," the Supreme Court of Canada has ruled.
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| It makes sense that they wouldn't be. But at the same time, wasn't it these companies that were whining last year about Netflix not being subjected to the Broadcasting Act in Canada even though they are an on-demand internet service? |
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said by shrug :So what does this mean exactly? It simply means that internet service per say is not broadcast, which does not mean much other setting a precedent that confirms what everybody already thought. |
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said by alexpb1:But at the same time, wasn't it these companies that were whining last year about Netflix not being subjected to the Broadcasting Act in Canada even though they are an on-demand internet service? Not the same thing at all, the court decision is about ISPs (not) being considered broadcasters, which has nothing to do with online streaming sites being considered "new media" broadcasters and currently exempt from regulations... but the CRTC could change their mind about that later. |
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said by alexpb1:It makes sense that they wouldn't be. But at the same time, wasn't it these companies that were whining last year about Netflix not being subjected to the Broadcasting Act in Canada even though they are an on-demand internet service?
Ah yes, that is true. I forgot about that. Bell et al wanted netflix to be under the broadcasting act in one of their complaints.
But netflix isn't an ISP. So i'm not sure about this. |
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OK, so does that mean that ISPs like Colba.net which offer IPTV services on their ADSL2+ territory (parts of Montreal for those not aware) are NOT subject to all that crap that the CRTC imposes to legacy TV broadcasters in Canada ? In other words, can Colba.net start offering IPTV bundles with JUST the channels that i want without forcing a certain amount of Canadian content down my throat ?
The implications from this ruling seem to me far greater than pple realize just yet.
IPTV is just that : Video broadcasting over the Internet. Essentially, I should be able to purchase a Colba IPTV set top box and use it with my Unlimited Distributel 15/1 plan ! That would save me a HUGE ammount of $$ compared to Expressvu or Videotron.
I've already contacted Colba to inquire if i can sign up to their IPTV service with a different provider. This could be a FIRST in Canada, especially now that the supreme court put its foot down !
(can you say i'm excited about this ?!  )
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@videotron.ca | said by adisor19:I've already contacted Colba to inquire if i can sign up to their IPTV service with a different provider.
Hm, that would be interesting if Colba allowed other ISP's to sell their IPTV. But only people close enough to a CO or on faster tiers, or on cable could get it.
Interesting.
But I don't think they could. Well they could but other resellers couldn't, like Teksavvy or Ebox since the conditions submitted to the CRTC as part of wholesale was that they could not stream TV or movies etc. All ISP's submitted this and no one argued it.
So I don't see it happening. |
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said by adisor19:OK, so does that mean that ISPs like Colba.net which offer IPTV services on their ADSL2+ territory are NOT subject to all that crap that the CRTC imposes to legacy TV broadcasters in Canada ? The ISP part isn't but the broadcasting part (selecting, licensing, packaging, etc. channels into their IPTV service) almost certainly still is since they are retransmitting the same channels Bell, Rogers, Videotron, Shaw, etc. are, which puts them in the very same BDU regulatory boat. |
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Crixox
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Repentigny, QC | reply to hm
they do allow it, however they don't offer any guarantee it will work fine, but they allow unicast service...since they have no control over a line that comes from another ISP and no control over their QoS settings. |
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said by hm :said by adisor19:I've already contacted Colba to inquire if i can sign up to their IPTV service with a different provider.
But I don't think they could. Well they could but other resellers couldn't, like Teksavvy or Ebox since the conditions submitted to the CRTC as part of wholesale was that they could not stream TV or movies etc. All ISP's submitted this and no one argued it. So I don't see it happening. OK, do you have any reference to that ? any link, any info somewhere about it ? I'm REAAAAALY surprised if this is actually true..
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@videotron.ca | said by adisor19:OK, do you have any reference to that ? any link, any info somewhere about it ? I'm REAAAAALY surprised if this is actually true..
crtc.gc.ca Or it was likely copied here in this forum which has a search function.
I would have to search for it myself, but yup, every ISP stated this. |
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said by Crixox:they do allow it, however they don't offer any guarantee it will work fine, but they allow unicast service...since they have no control over a line that comes from another ISP and no control over their QoS settings.
How do you know ? How did you find out about it ?
The reason i ask is that I really only have Expressvu for the RDS (the Canadians games) which Colba.net includes in their basic package for no extra charge. (not the case with expressvu)
Thanks,
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Crixox
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Repentigny, QC | called them and asked... they do. |
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said by adisor19:OK, so does that mean that ISPs like Colba.net which offer IPTV services on their ADSL2+ territory (parts of Montreal for those not aware) are NOT subject to all that crap that the CRTC imposes to legacy TV broadcasters in Canada ? In other words, can Colba.net start offering IPTV bundles with JUST the channels that i want without forcing a certain amount of Canadian content down my throat ?
The implications from this ruling seem to me far greater than pple realize just yet.
IPTV is just that : Video broadcasting over the Internet. Essentially, I should be able to purchase a Colba IPTV set top box and use it with my Unlimited Distributel 15/1 plan ! That would save me a HUGE ammount of $$ compared to Expressvu or Videotron.
I've already contacted Colba to inquire if i can sign up to their IPTV service with a different provider. This could be a FIRST in Canada, especially now that the supreme court put its foot down !
(can you say i'm excited about this ?! )
Adi
The IPTV part of colba is a broadcaster and subject to the broadcasting act. The retail ISP part of Colba isn't subject to the broadcasting act. |
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said by Crixox:called them and asked... they do.
Cool, thx for the info  I will call and get more info on the total costs involved This is starting to be quite interesting. I'm surprised they don't advertise it more..
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said by hm :said by adisor19:I've already contacted Colba to inquire if i can sign up to their IPTV service with a different provider.
Hm, that would be interesting if Colba allowed other ISP's to sell their IPTV. But only people close enough to a CO or on faster tiers, or on cable could get it. Interesting. But I don't think they could. Well they could but other resellers couldn't, like Teksavvy or Ebox since the conditions submitted to the CRTC as part of wholesale was that they could not stream TV or movies etc. All ISP's submitted this and no one argued it. So I don't see it happening. WRONG teksavvy buys wholesale BUT sells retail and thus if they buy form a retailer WHOM makes them a deal to then further buy ...well you get the idea.....THE idea that a teksavvy versus you reselling retail for a big rogers or bell is that teksavvy could reach more thus should get a better deal... |
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So umm, does anybody know of a review of Colba.net's IPTV solution ? I've searched the web and can't find anything about it.. not even a youtube video.. nothing :S
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So nobody has Colba.net IPTV service in Montreal ? |
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| said by adisor19:So nobody has Colba.net IPTV service in Montreal ?
Get it and review it for us!
It's not expensive.
I too would like to hear about it.
If I could get it I would, just to say I tried it. |
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But you guys haven't read through the whole story. This is not about ISP's selling tv service. This is about the over the top services like Netflix being regulated as broadcasters. The Supreme Court of Canada has ruled that they are not broadcasters and thus there is no problem with their offering of services. That is what this ruling is about.
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