joeyxl
join:2012-01-24
Newmarket, ON | reply to CliqueofOne
Re: [DSL] Looks Like I'll Finally Get A Proper Demarc For Free so what does this mean? faster speeds? |
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| said by joeyxl:so what does this mean? faster speeds?
LOL |
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alkizmo
join:2007-06-25
Pierrefonds, QC | reply to CliqueofOne
said by CliqueofOne:Are they always installed outside? If so, they should be lockable, yes?
And, I've never heard of someone criminally tapping off an outside jack. Sounds like a something that Snopes could refute.
If criminal acts can be done on someone else's wifi and have the client blamed for it, why not nid? Then again any outside nid, with or without a jack, can easily be tapped into. Only 2 wires are needed. |
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said by CliqueofOne:Are they always installed outside? If so, they should be lockable, yes?
My demarc was installed outside 11 years ago; I had no choice about that. And that was where their installation ended (other than bringing a ground wire in to a water pipe.) They didn't even move the older 1st phone line coming into the house into that demarc box (yes, it IS the same underground cable from the street). It enters the house elsewhere, and goes to an old bakelite 'protector'.
The grey plastic box is not very sturdy, but yes, my section of the box is 'lockable'. The technicians just need a certain wrench to open the whole thing up; you don't have to even take your own lock off. But, have no illusions here, it is NOT high security.
But I'm sure there are all sorts of different kinds and sizes of demarc boxes now. And still a lot of 50+ year old wiring out there too.
I don't think my Bell installer (or contractor) knew anything about the customer being able to lock their side of the box. Of course, she also didn't know what a "drip loop" was. She didn't put one in the ground wire she put through the wall. I had to fix that later, to try keep the water out. |
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said by CliqueofOne:Are they always installed outside? If so, they should be lockable, yes? Plenty of buildings have exterior non-lockable NIDs. Not much point in locking it down when all that stands between would-be wire-tapper and the copper pair outside the demarc is ~1mm of insulator. |
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| Not exactly all the time, but most of the time yes. Bell has external telephone wire for external use, the same stuff they use for their drops, which they are supposed to use externally up to a jack inside which is 2mm maybe and is much more durable. The lock on the user accessable portion is mainly meant to deter home owners from accessing the nid (network interface device) portion where the drop comes in, and the ground wire. It is configured this way so a homeowner can run telephone wires into the nid and connect them without the telephone companies intervention, also to provide a point of troubleshooting.
I imagine this all came about so that if you have been having problems with your telephone lines, and you think the problem is outside, and you get on the phone with bell telling them you are having problems, and they say to plug a phone outside in the nid, and you tell them that you do not have one, they are required to roll a truck to install one for you so that you may check outside and call in again to have somebody to fix their part of the plant, or pay to have somebody to come inside the house and fix the problems which you caused.
Nobody wants to pay for a tech to come and say something is wrong inside your house, when only a day ago you started hearing static on the phone line when it rained (only a few days ago when you saw that squirrel out on the pole chewing your cable) and its obviously a problem outside. |
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| So again, has anyone had first hand experience of someone tapping off their out door test jack/demarc/nid?
My phone is supplied via overhead line from the pole and runs down the outside of my house from the shackle attached under the eave. About four feet above ground level it goes inside through a hole drilled between two bricks. If someone wanted to, they could tap into my phone line at that point.
Yet, I would still be happy to have an official test point, irrespective of the extremely slight chance that someone may tap into it. |
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Exactly my point. |
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 pnjunctionTeksavvy ExtremePremium
join:2008-01-24
Toronto, ON
kudos:1 | reply to CliqueofOne
It's not clear if this means wholesale dry DSL customers can get such a demarc installation or not. I'm thinking no, this is only if you have problems with phone service, but I'd like to hear otherwise. |
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| I've posted at least a dozen times in these forums on how to get a free nid on voice circuits. I don't see anything new here for dsl. |
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| said by xbell :I've posted at least a dozen times in these forums on how to get a free nid on voice circuits. I don't see anything new here for dsl.
Can you post a link? I don't have a proper demarc either. |
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said by rogerstech :... they are required to roll a truck to install one for you so that you may check outside and call in again to have somebody to fix their part of the plant, or pay to have somebody to come inside the house and fix the problems which you caused.
Specifically they must first do a "free" diagnostic prior to installing the NID. |
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| said by Grappler:Specifically they must first do a "free" diagnostic prior to installing the NID. Seems more like the other way around: install the NID and then do the free diagnostic from it as part of the install procedure. |
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said by syntaxerr0r:said by xbell :I've posted at least a dozen times in these forums on how to get a free nid on voice circuits. I don't see anything new here for dsl. Can you post a link? I don't have a proper demarc either. This is just a consolidation of various commission orders and a uniform playing field to foster competition in the marketplace across Canada.
This is nothing new in Bell Canada territory and has been around since Feb. 15 1996 other than a subsequent order that allowed a charge for a unilaterally requested nid install.
From the commission order:
"25. In light of the above, the Commission imposes the following conditions on the offering and provision of residential and business single-line inside wire services by all ILECs subject to this decision:
a) Provide free diagnostic service for customers with no jack-ended demarcation device; and
b) Install a jack-ended demarcation device free of charge following diagnostic service during the same visit."
Meet the new boss same as the old boss.
1. If you don't have a nid they can't charge you a diagnostic when they show up on a trouble where the problem is your inside wiring.
2. They are obligated to then install a free nid to foster market competition so consumers can have the option of who can repair the wiring. They now have working service and in the future they can diagnose themselves.
Bell loves these nids as few people know they have them and if one is installed and a trouble proves in they can charge a diagnostic. Did you people really think Bell Canada has been installing them out of the goodness of their heart.
If you want one all you need is a short on your inside wire...cough...cough...cough...and call them up and tell them you will fix the problem yourself and you will get one installed |
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A Bell tech is suppose to come by next week for an upgrade of DSL speed to the FTTNs. Should I be receiving an installed POTTS splitter? |
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 Mike2009
join:2009-01-13
Ottawa, ON
kudos:2 | Yes, a POTS splitter is part of what you're paying for. |
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even if they arent lockable most butt sets have bed of nails and vampire pins on the clips, no need to open the nid to make calls. lets not forget patch panels in appartment buildings, you have your choice of everyones line down there too, dont get too worried about a non lockable NID, even if you lock the customer portion any tech with a barrel wrench can open it. |
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