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Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:53:14 EDT

Kristopher posted : It's not my fault they're easily led?!

Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:24:56 EDT

drew posted : Did what to me? Made me a target for absolutely no reason? Got it.

Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:56:55 EDT

Kristopher posted : I did do that with drew recently, but for laughs. I usually always have a reason, especially if I'm mafia trying to sway the game in our favor. ;)
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Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:56:17 EDT

ekster posted : It's okay, Jim. It wasn't addressed for you anyway.

Besides, I know you're a closet Canadian lover... it's why you try so hard to distance me away. You love me too much!

Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:54:31 EDT

ekster posted : I have no issues lynching someone who I am not sure if they're mafia or not 100%, but are still the most suspicious of all. Even if it's based on small things.
Just say it as it is, and not 'they're/you're scum!'

Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:53:46 EDT

Jim posted : I ain't 'afeared'. It's only a beard.
(channeling George Carlin)

tl;dr
posted from Canada anyway - I'm not serious. But you should know that
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Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:51:01 EDT

Kristopher posted : But, if you are going to lynch based on small items that are suspicious, make your case for it logically. Admit it isn't much evidence, but if no lynch isn't an option, and you feel it beats any other lynch - explain why. From a town perspective, you still have to do this, regardless of the risk if you are wrong. Sure, mafia will emulate this and try to trick town, but a lot of times an argument that's a lie sounds valid to them, but when looked at by town, it doesn't pass the logic test.

Our issue, I think, is being burned in the past by certain players and taking on the mantra of "I'll be damned if that'll happen again. I'll watch the town burn first!!!!!!"

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Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:44:10 EDT

ekster posted : I'll take it back as soon as you explain your fear of Canadians. :p

On a more serious note:
I do agree with him that it's overrated here. Someone calls you scum but you're town? Lynch him! He must be scum. While the real mafia is just sitting and munching popcorn.

So what that might help town is too chill with the 'you must be mafia' accusations unless they're 100% (or nearly there) sure that the player they're accusing is actually mafia. Because if they're not and they get lynched, you just cost town 2 days. First day to lynch that player, second day to get yourself lynched, or heavily pressured to the point where more chaos than needed is created. In addition, if you are right with the first one, and think you know for sure who the second one is and get others to follow you, you just might cost the game. I don't know how many times I've thrown myself under the bus as mafia, only to get a townie or two to look like my partners... while my real partner just sits quietly and spreads the proper FUD.

A much better tactic would be to look at whom to clear as town and decrease the pool of suspects. There will be less 'OMGUS you must be scum because you called me scum' "logic" that make Town lynch itself, and a higher chance of cooperating on finding out the real mafia.

Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:36:15 EDT

Kristopher posted : Unfortunately neither does common sense, decency, integrity, or honesty. But I do what I can. It's been a rough morning.
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Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:35:40 EDT

Kristopher posted :

said by Jim:

And there you go. This place if full of liars. That's why.

No, it's just that I work in the public sector. Logic doesn't apply.
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Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:34:35 EDT

Jim posted : And there you go. This place if full of liars. That's why.
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Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:33:17 EDT

ekster posted : Him? Pfah. I see more logic in a dog chasing its tail.

Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:31:39 EDT

Kristopher posted : But you're the most logical guy I know?!

Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:49:08 EDT

Jim posted : Logic is highly overrated...here.

Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:01:24 EDT

Kristopher posted : Oh, and I agree with your take on things. Even though you're flipping me off while telling me.
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Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 07:59:56 EDT

Kristopher posted : It's dune, and you're in, middle finger avatar guy.

Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 06:04:27 EDT

Krisnatharok posted :

said by Tirael:

I may come back to this since I don't pay attention in lecture anyway.

best way to get through college! (I wouldn't know, "back in my day" was before smartphones)
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Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 04:50:23 EDT

Tirael posted : The problem is that you have a lot of people who are playing to mess with people, which ends up adding to the chaos. I haven't read over any games recently, but we use to frown upon role claiming in general. In fact, I think we said we would stop unless it was necessary in order to stop a power role from being lynched.

Role claiming really screws the side that you are playing for. Dethy games are probably the best logic games to play, because it really isn't about spreading FUD, it is more about getting a result and deciding who isn't crazy.

Also, if the old MafiaScum FAQ is still around, it would be beneficial for the noobs to read over the roles that you are using in games.

Another thing is the metagame et al. You can't get caught up too much into it because it can and will end up in a lot of loses for the town. It always has, historically. One of these days, now that I have an iphone, I may come back to this since I don't pay attention in lecture anyway.

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Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:10:37 EDT

DrModem posted : Mod cares not who wins

Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:48:41 EDT

Antonica posted : I will still never forgive Chlen for lying the one game I modded. Being a mod and seeing what he was doing, confused the living crap out of me because it literally handed the town to the mafia no questions asked. He hurt the town for no reason at all.

:P

Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:09:00 EDT

Archivis posted : You guys will never accomplish the level of FUD that I have.

Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:31:38 EDT

Kristopher posted : *sheepish grin*

I wasn't town, in my defense. ;)

Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:30:26 EDT

DrModem posted : Well now that that other game is over I'll add some comments here.

Our mafia plan in the android game was simply to cause as much chaos as possible, which is why we never killed the cop or the doc, which is the "normal" mafia way. The mafia team can hide much more easily when there is rampant doubt all around. That's why the town players need to think outside the box... just because something is normal doesn't mean it's garenteed. Town players should also avoid lying about their roles, which seems to be an alarmingly common practice lately. That only helps the mafia spread more chaos.

Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:18:04 EDT

Kristopher posted : »[signup] Dethy

Sign up for some Town Logic practice. I'll start the Dune game after a few of these.
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Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:15:42 EDT

ekster posted : Sure.

Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:15:16 EDT

Kristopher posted :

said by ekster:

Unlike Mr. Kris-Worst Survivor of 2012-topher? :p

It was the best use of that role that I could find. :)

So, should we host a couple of Dethy games?
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Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:08:06 EDT

ekster posted : Unlike Mr. Kris-Worst Survivor of 2012-topher? :p

Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:06:55 EDT

Kristopher posted : Not if you take full advantage of a Survivor role. ;)

Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:06:01 EDT

ekster posted : Admittedly, when I play, I play 5% to win, 95% to screw with everyone's heads for the lulz. It's one of the reasons I have a love-hate relationship with being mafia. On one side, I'd hate to make my teammates loose because I was going for the lulz, on the other side, mafia has so much more potential in screwing with everyone!

Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:03:58 EDT

Kristopher posted : Or what gets the most lulz. Either way.

Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:03:41 EDT

Kristopher posted : Do what it takes to win.

Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:02:48 EDT

Archivis posted : I threw an entire team under the bus once.

Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:02:20 EDT

Kristopher posted : Like leaving you to die in a team fight. :D

Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:01:54 EDT

Kristopher posted : I would have done it without a second thought. I mean, you win with your team, dead or not. Wouldn't be the first time I threw a team mate under the bus. ;)
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Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:00:02 EDT

Jobbie posted : Man that would have been really epic, and made really hard to get you.

Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:59:07 EDT

Antonica posted : Yeah I shouldn't have said it, but I wanted to try and push drew to do it and semi-act like I could be faking so drew would hammer. Didn't work out that way :/

Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:58:50 EDT

ekster posted : You just be glad that I didn't hammer you at the end for the lols.

Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:58:01 EDT

ProtusMose posted : If he hadn't unvoted while I was hammering, it would have been a non-issue. >:(

Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:49:12 EDT

Kristopher posted : The logic comes in when trying to determine roles or out mafia through rules. It works best with C9's and F11's. In the one that we lost recently, I had it logically narrowed down to Protus. It was a sure thing, and we should have been able to pinpoint who would refuse to vote him and determined the other mafia, while voting Protus off. It failed, but that was due to my error in pushing the new player, and my failure at not pushing the envelope when Protus missed the hammer.
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Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:47:20 EDT

Jobbie posted : Like i said above that is why you dont tell the world you are a bomb, since most of the time mafia wants a quick hammer vote on a non mafia.
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Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:47:05 EDT

Kristopher posted : And Protus, this whole mess had me facepalm. KrisN did miss out on the core reason for your post, and it was a communication issue. His hard push was a mistake, but things do happen this way sometimes.
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Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:46:34 EDT

Antonica posted :

said by Kristopher:

Mafia Tells:

Agreeing with Antonica, and kissing her ass

Please add to as you see fit.

So true... so true.
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Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:45:47 EDT

Antonica posted : if you are mafia, you will NEVER hammer a supposed bomb, ever.

Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:45:17 EDT

Kristopher posted : Mafia Tells:

Drive by votes that aren't removed for a while
Third or forth pile on votes
Votes that take someone to L-1
Saying I'm Mafia
Pushing for a claim when it's clearly detrimental to the town
Not seeing clear town logic, and even actively trying to refute it
Being Archivis
Missing a quick hammer on LoL when DANGEROUSLY baited (Jobbie)
Agreeing with Antonica, and kissing her ass

Please add to as you see fit.
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Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:40:30 EDT

Jobbie posted :

said by Antonica:

bomb is so pro-town it's not funny.

Mafia will NOT hammer a bomb (duh :P), town is more likely to. Keeping the bomb alive (barring they are the real bomb) is sure to funny crap.

Then again, it can be hurtful too, power roles won't want to hammer and that only tells mafia who power roles are and who aren't.

I think Mafia is the most likely to hammer the bomb if they don't know there is a bomb, since they are the hammer specialist, so the bomb role fulfills its intended purpose for town.
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Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:31:43 EDT

Antonica posted : nah, felt like shit saying that :P

Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:30:44 EDT

Archivis posted :

said by Antonica:

and now i'm starting to sound like Arch :(

Egos are great, aren't they?

Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:29:52 EDT

Jobbie posted : Totally learned that from this game. After failing pointing KrisN and and Arch. I was like "mmhm maybe is that what mafia wants and im just putting myself in the spotlight" it was too late.
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Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:28:01 EDT

ekster posted : For the logic discussion... From my observation... I know it wasn't a standard game and no one had any idea on what roles to expect... but how many large games were there with no doc or cop? I can only name one of the top of my head.

Thinking of that, regardless if you know whether there is a doc or cop, or not.... what kind of sane mafia player would come out so early in the game and claim it with no one countering them and they're still alive for the next several days... occam's razor, guys! Mafia has a roleblocker and they're simply keeping them there specifically so town would say 'why isn't a cop/doc dead yet' and lynch them. :p

Re: Town Tactics and Logic

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:26:59 EDT

Antonica posted : bomb is so pro-town it's not funny.

Mafia will NOT hammer a bomb (duh :P), town is more likely to. Keeping the bomb alive (barring they are the real bomb) is sure to funny crap.

Then again, it can be hurtful too, power roles won't want to hammer and that only tells mafia who power roles are and who aren't.
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