DavesnothereNo-BHELL-ity DOES have its Advantages
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2 edits | Profile Speeds for Indie FTTN DSL
Somewhere here during the past week or so, a post was made which stated that Legacy GAS DSL was an UP-TO the advertised speed ballgame, regarding the speed profile which would be set for your line and included for whatever $$ you pay.
They then went on to say that FTTN DSL (aka FIBe from an Indie ISP) was instead a "We promise to have Bell set your profile to the numbers which match what you bought from us, or else Bell will perform on the IISPs behalf all necessary repairs in exchange for the $95 FTTN setup fee, in order to make the profile work at that speed" arrangement, and was mentioned that way by the poster as a justification for Bell charging the setup fee to the IISP (and passed on to us).
Were these statements TRUE or FALSE ?
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pallo
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canada | Distances on legacy DSL can be downright awful - up to 5 km from the CO, maybe more in some cases but with FTTN you're never more than 800 meters from the remote. Also I've noticed some FTTN tiers sync slightly higher, assuming to be able to achieve the advertised speeds (12M FTTN syncing at 14M is not uncommon). |
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Bell's FTTN tariffs still say "Up to" and since there is only $0.30/month difference between 6/1 and 25/7, there isn't much point arguing about what people "paid for" since the whole access part of costs is effectively the same regardless of delivered FTTN speed.
With adjacent retail speed tiers being only $1-4 apart in many cases, there isn't much room for ISPs to split hairs for subscribers on in-between speeds either.
AFAIK, the $95 charge is nothing more than a weighed average of line-related costs amortized over a projected install frequency, it is not a guarantee of anything. The likelihood of getting "that speed" just happens to be higher simply because FTTN takes out many variables. |
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jfmezeiPremium
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| I checked the 5440 tariffs off of Bell's web site.
They do use the "up to" terminology.
When I have time, I'll have to peruse the transcripts of the 2011 and 2010 public hearings to catch Bell's statements to justify the high installation costs. |
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| Consumer orders 12/1 from B#ell, sync rate set to 14/1 by B#ell so customer gets full 12/1.
Consumer orders 12/1 from Indie, sync rate set to 12/1 by B#ell regardless, customer gets less than 12/1 after overhead.
How is this matching speeds?
How is this regulatory symmetry?
How is this NOT predatory, anti-competitive behaviour?
Mike
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 mlernerPremium
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kudos:5 | Because the tariffs don't specify whether the sync speed is to be set with overhead conditions or not.
And the 'competition' is only enforced as set out by the CRTC. Our Federal Government generally doesn't care about such matters. |
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zorxd
join:2010-02-05
Quebec, QC | reply to dillyhammer
Is that true?
If so it's one more reason to get cable.
Fibe 16 from Bell has a sync rate of over 19 000 kbps. |
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said by dillyhammer:Consumer orders 12/1 from B#ell, sync rate set to 14/1 by B#ell so customer gets full 12/1.
Consumer orders 12/1 from Indie, sync rate set to 12/1 by B#ell regardless, customer gets less than 12/1 after overhead.
Not true... On the TSI forum, you'll notice that people who ordered 12 m in Ontario got sync rates of 14 m. People who ordered 10 m in Quebec got sync rate of 12 m, myself included. One can argue that those who received lower sync rate received it because their line couldn't handle the full speed. |
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dillyhammerBack to TeksavvyPremium,MVM
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| said by alienzzz:said by dillyhammer:Consumer orders 12/1 from B#ell, sync rate set to 14/1 by B#ell so customer gets full 12/1.
Consumer orders 12/1 from Indie, sync rate set to 12/1 by B#ell regardless, customer gets less than 12/1 after overhead.
Not true... On the TSI forum, you'll notice that people who ordered 12 m in Ontario got sync rates of 14 m. People who ordered 10 m in Quebec got sync rate of 12 m, myself included. One can argue that those who received lower sync rate received it because their line couldn't handle the full speed. I hope this is the case - because that is what should be happening.
My 12/1 install is scheduled for today, so I'll know more in some hours.
Not that I'm looking for a shitstorm or anything.
Mike
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| Got My install last friday for 12/1, Speed tests put in in about 11.5+ dl speed and have hit 12 while torrenting Linux ISOs. |
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alienzzzKill Bell
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Don't let the guy leave until he sets the 14M profile.  |
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| If the guy has to come to your home... Bell tech didnt need to go inside and the 2nd tech never came. |
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said by alienzzz:Don't let the guy leave until he sets the 14M profile.
Too late. Bell guy just left.
Syncing up at around 11/1
On the 12/1 profile obviously.
2nd tech has not come yet.
I'll let him/her do their job.
But hey, it's noon on install day and I'm on.
Flawless [Almost] victory.
Mike
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said by dillyhammer:I hope this is the case - because that is what should be happening.
My 12/1 install is scheduled for today, so I'll know more in some hours.
Not that I'm looking for a shitstorm or anything.
Mike
No worries, I'm sure your escape from CogecoTraz (or is it Alcageco) will go without a hitch. |
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dillyhammerBack to TeksavvyPremium,MVM
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| said by ruddypict:No worries, I'm sure your escape from CogecoTraz (or is it Alcageco) will go without a hitch.
Just got off the phone with Cogeco.
It's done.
Mike
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mlernerPremium
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said by dillyhammer:Just got off the phone with Cogeco.
It's done.
Mike
*highfive*
Mine will be today or next week. Freedom! |
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Also note the rest of the world has *no* costs (the isp gets nothing) except Verizon Fios which is true fiber to the home and is priced about a thousand times less than what it would cost in Canada with no throttling or overuse fees and unlimited bandwidth. |
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said by mlerner:Congrats sir. Where should I send your cake?
LMAO.
You know what? Feels pretty good.
I was sad when I left Teksavvy. Even wrote that in my confirmation email - Nov 26 2010.
It'll take a little getting used to, going form 30/2 to 12/1, but going from $160 to $62 a month... that won't take long. I'm break even on the install costs and everything else in 3 months. And my conscience got a nice massage.
Feels pretty good.
Mike
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DavesnothereNo-BHELL-ity DOES have its Advantages
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said by mlerner:Congrats sir. Where should I send your cake?
Did you not mean Tim-Bits ?  |
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