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peterboro
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peterboro posts more crap about Toronto!

Well another reason it sucks to live in Toronto. Of course as I've posted many times all you good citizens run down and pay your tickets without a fuss to keep my insurance rates and taxes low.

»www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-dr···2331019/


elwoodblues
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Boy he's angry.

Better question, what do the police actually do? Oh yeah they go after someone who has downloaded the latest movie.



Wolfie00
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reply to peterboro
What does this have to do with Toronto? I totally agree with the article and I've posted many times about my views that when it comes to driving infractions (for instance) police should be targeting dangerous drivers instead of the ones who are easy to catch in speed traps and such. The OPP are some of the worst offenders, province-wide. This article could have been written about any city, including the parking ticket story. And aren't you living in the place that you described yourself as being policed by anti-smoking Nazis with nothing better to do?



IsItDoneYet
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reply to peterboro
ZIP to do with TO, but a must read.



bigcity

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said by Wolfie00:

What does this have to do with Toronto?

Well it is much more prevalent in big cities, that is his point... I believe. The same crap happens here in Montreal.

jfmezei
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The undemocratic republic of montreal does not use cops for parking tickets. They have green onions for those (they cost far less in salaries than policemen).

Traffic offenses are however still done by police. Note that those offences are from city bylaws and the city talks to the police to decide how strict they should be (when city wishes to increase revenues).



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said by bigcity :

Well it is much more prevalent in big cities, that is his point... I believe.

You haven't seen his posting history, have you?

said by jfmezei:

The undemocratic republic of montreal does not use cops for parking tickets.

Toronto doesn't either. There's one parking dude who patrols Avenue Road on a bicycle who looks exactly like Barney Fife!
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said by Wolfie00:

There's one parking dude who patrols Avenue Road on a bicycle who looks exactly like Barney Fife!

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peterboro
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reply to Wolfie00

said by Wolfie00:

What does this have to do with Toronto?

Could it have to do with the fact he lives in Toronto and this is happening to him in Toronto maybe?...or the fact there have been numerous threads about parking issues in Toronto yet few in other jurisdictions maybe?

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BTW, since this is a "I hate trwanna" thread.

Where is peterborough ?

Does it consider itself to be 1/3 of the way between Toronto and Ottawa, or halfway between Toronto and Kingston ?

Since Toronto considers itself "central ontario" (even though sault ste marie is central ontario), does Peterborough considers itself to be central ontario as well ? Northern ontario ? north east ontario ?

Are there people in peterborough who commute to downtown toronto for work or is it well beyond commuting distances ? Do most folks in peterborough end up going shopping in toronto at least once a year ? Or do they really live there without having to go shop in Trwanna ?



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reply to peterboro
I liked this response the best.

quote:
Policing today is not what it was when I joined the Toronto Police Force back in the 70's, when the job was more about crime than it was about tickets. Sadly the Senior officers of this modern police "service" seem interested in revenue streams and its junior officers concerned only about paid duties and their days off.

Consequently crime takes a back seat and the lack of service provided to Mr. Cheney and his family is an all too familiar occurrence in this day and age because to acknowledge such events is to invite having to create reports and in so doing raise the statistical level of crime.

For a Unit Commander (local police Division leader) this means having to deal with a spike in crime and it puts a target on their back when they have to appear before the Command officers and their peers to explain what they are doing about it. So to avoid this problem, they turn a blind eye to events and engage in statistical manipulation in order to demonstrate that in their area crime is really trending downward!

The sad fact is that modern style policing is all about the 3 T's, tickets, tickets and tickets and the Senior and Command officers make that very clear to their subordinates when it comes to the candidates they select for promotion, passing over those who don't or won't reach the "imaginary" quota. The fact is the quota system is in full play but the Senior officers are smart enough not to put a number on it, but everyone knows what that number is!

Gone are the days when the majority of young police officers learned to work the streets and cultivate information with a view to ferreting out the local hoodlums and crooks who were breaking into homes and committing mayhem in the communities. Now for most officers, its nothing but enforecement of a never ending parade of minor traffic offences targeting the local taxpaying citizens, simply as a means of generating additional revenue for the City coffers.

Gone are the days when officers were taught to use their discretion, where 24 and 48 hour reports were used for common vehicle malfunctions like burned out headligts and missing license plates. Instead the officers of today have been conditioned to beleive that using their discretion is tantamount to corruption, so better to bone everyone they can to avoid even the hint of impropriety.

Gone are the days when officers were celebrated for making a good "pinch" and locking up some bad a$$ they caught doing dirt. Instead officers are conditioned to ignore crime, with the fido principle firmly implanted by training officers, selected by virtue of their prowess in writing tickets up the wazoo.
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That is an LEO I can get behind. Well stated, sir.



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said by jfmezei:

Since Toronto considers itself "central ontario" (even though sault ste marie is central ontario), does Peterborough considers itself to be central ontario as well ? Northern ontario ? north east ontario ?

Toronto doesn't consider itself to be "central Ontario"; it's the "centre of the universe".
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reply to peterboro
Somewhat related..... I saw a cop last night on Don Mills northbound pulling over cars with a single occupant in the HOV lane. He nailed someone as I went by. He was just north of an intersection too, so they could not use the "I was going to turn" excuse.

They have also been sitting a lot lately on Bayview just about under the Bloor bridge. People do race along there, usually at 80 in a 60 zone.
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dirtyjeffer
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reply to J E F F
sadly, his story is likely fairly accurate...times have changed in policing...of course, this also likely explains the "unreported crimes" part of the Conservatives plan for more jails...the reality is, crime likely is increasing, its just that we aren't tracking it any more as we are focusing on tickets.
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said by dirtyjeffer:

..of course, this also likely explains the "unreported crimes" part of the Conservatives plan for more jails...

I'm not going to CanPol this thread by responding to this political slant, although I'm tempted to point out the.....nevermind.

Outside an office I used to work in, there was a ticket trap several days a month for people who insisted on turning right across a reserved bus lane during rush hour (right turns were prohibited during rush hour). It was well signed, but every day there were a number of close calls between buses and cars where cars were trying to "thread the needle" to get between the buses and make the turn, at times also hitting pedestrians who were crossing with the light and thinking that there wouldn't be cars trying to turn through the stream of buses. Inevitably, the body language of the caught driver was "I didn't know" or "I need to turn here" or "don't you have anything better to do". This sort of action isn't "revenue generation", it's to try and stop people from committing an infraction that endangers themselves, those on the buses, and pedestrians the drivers can't see.

Not all ticket is "trapping" or "revenue generation"; some of the no-turn / no-straight-through rules are there for a reason (like to keep rushing commuters from taking shortcuts through residential neighbourhoods) that the drivers don't like but have other benefits.
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reply to peterboro
By my work they made a no left turn sign from Queen street to the side street from 7am-9am last summer. I can't tell you how many people I've seen get caught. And the cruisers park in a hidden driveway about halfway up the street like EVERY DAY.
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said by HiVolt:

By my work they made a no left turn sign from Queen street to the side street from 7am-9am last summer. I can't tell you how many people I've seen get caught. And the cruisers park in a hidden driveway about halfway up the street like EVERY DAY.

I got nailed there once, Queen and Broadview left go south?

They also sit on side streets looking for rolling stops , west of where Gerrard ends at Coxwell. I've been flashed on my bike, but good luck catching me.
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peterboro
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reply to jfmezei

said by jfmezei:

Where is peterborough ?
Does it consider itself to be 1/3 of the way between Toronto and Ottawa, or halfway between Toronto and Kingston ?
Since Toronto considers itself "central ontario" (even though sault ste marie is central ontario), does Peterborough considers itself to be central ontario as well ? Northern ontario ? north east ontario ?
Are there people in peterborough who commute to downtown toronto for work or is it well beyond commuting distances ? Do most folks in peterborough end up going shopping in toronto at least once a year ? Or do they really live there without having to go shop in Trwanna ?

We consider our self between TO and Ottawa and kinda somewhat southeast Ontario. Lots of people here work in Toronto though we are mostly a bedroom community for GM. But most residents are very familiar with Toronto as it is relatively close and are able to juxtapose the two areas thus the familiarly breeds contempt by many of us.

peterboro
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said by J E F F:

So to avoid this problem, they turn a blind eye to events and engage in statistical manipulation in order to demonstrate that in their area crime is really trending downward! of their prowess in writing tickets up the wazoo.

Anyone who was a fan of the series The Wire will remember this as about the only thing police command did was massage stats and ass kiss brass.

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