| Union Building? Has anyone ever heard the term "Union Building"? I got awarded a contract to install a bunch of low voltages devices and runs in a local mall. My PM talked to the GC handling the build-out stated that all subcontractors must be Union to work at the Mall. I talked to lease manager for the mall and they stated that was because it is a "Union Building". Just curious how this works. |
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 John GaltForward, MarchPremium
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kudos:3 | Was this a bid job, with documents and specifications? |
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One of those jobs awarded to a contracting company then awarded to me. Problem is that I'm not union nor is the contracting company. |
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 macsierraBaby NewfoundlandPremium
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Minden, NV | All dépends on the on the laws of the state you are in. In Nevada we have "Right to Work" laws the unions have been to get overturned for years..
Contract wording in the contract the general contractor signs would be critical... |
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John GaltForward, MarchPremium
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kudos:3 | said by macsierra:Contract wording in the contract the general contractor signs would be critical...
This must be investigated, as it is binding. |
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I see a bunch of flat tires in your future. |
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I'm not crossing union lines... I'm not 100% for unions but I'm not against them ether. I already called the contracting company and told them I'm off the project due to union requirement. It was a HUGE project and would of been good income but I'm not union. |
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Hopefully your acceptance specified non-union workers, otherwise your accepted bid is binding and your business could be held to the price, which would mean the need to contract out to union workers when the bid was priced on using non-union labor ... sounds like a pretty rookie mistake for a business to make |
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| Well I had a non-binding agreement with the contracting company to complete the work. As for what they had with the GC/Company being built out... That is beyond me. I do know however what they bidded and it is no where close to what a union shop is going to cost. |
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said by guppy_fish:Hopefully your acceptance specified non-union workers, otherwise your accepted bid is binding and your business could be held to the price, which would mean the need to contract out to union workers when the bid was priced on using non-union labor ... sounds like a pretty rookie mistake for a business to make
That's quite common in the world of sub contracting.
It's obligating that the general on top pass those stipulations down in writing be whatever they may be to the various subs.. If the general did that, only then would it would be obligating to the subs..
Best to consult a lawyer in that state if it comes to that..
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It's a bunch of B.S.. Since it's private property, the owner can hire whoever they want. Apparently, rather than play the free market, they want to lock themselves into "union only" bids.
You were smart to walk away from the headache. You can't be liable. From your vantage point, the "union rule" was ex post facto.
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Good that your's is non-binding, someone might have got snookered not reading all the fine print on a RFP |
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said by macsierra:All dépends on the on the laws of the state you are in. In Nevada we have "Right to Work" laws the unions have been to get overturned for years.. Minnesota is a closed shop state.
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said by nunya:It's a bunch of B.S.. Since it's private property, the owner can hire whoever they want. Apparently, rather than play the free market, they want to lock themselves into "union only" bids. The owner can but he may never get a permit and once the work starts he may get shut down by picketing.
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This is the first time I have ever run in to this. I run my own business installing networking equipment and cabling. Most of the time its a side thing as in MN they require stupid low voltage licenses now. Problem is to get that you have to be an electrician for 4 years... I don't want to be an electrician I just want to keep doing the low volt stuff I've been doing for 10 years. |
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| said by themagicone:This is the first time I have ever run in to this. I run my own business installing networking equipment and cabling. Most of the time its a side thing as in MN they require stupid low voltage licenses now. Problem is to get that you have to be an electrician for 4 years... I don't want to be an electrician I just want to keep doing the low volt stuff I've been doing for 10 years.
Never mind the union angle, how as an unlicensed contractor could you legally do a commercial building installation?
While it maybe overboard to have 4 years as an electrician to get a low voltage license, it makes sense that one have knowledge of building codes, the concept of what types of insulation are allow where, ect. |
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| said by guppy_fish: Never mind the union angle, how as an unlicensed contractor could you legally do a commercial building installation? Many places do not require a license for low voltage applications such as communications and networking even for commercial applications. |
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John GaltForward, MarchPremium
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kudos:3 | said by Msradell:Many places do not require a license for low voltage applications such as communications and networking even for commercial applications. Many states and counties DO require it now as they have seen the damage that LV installer/contractors do to buildings. |
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said by Msradell:Many places do not require a license for low voltage applications such as communications and networking even for commercial applications.
OP is the source that said is State requires a license
said by themagicone:Most of the time its a side thing as in MN they require stupid low voltage licenses now.
Hence why I ask how he could be bidding for work legally, especially a large commercial job |
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said by themagicone:I talked to lease manager for the mall and they stated that was because it is a "Union Building". Just curious how this works.
Just what it says, The building is under a union contract and non-union companies can not work on it!
I have seen union shops flood jobs with non-union members! |
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