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Noah Vail
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Voluntarily let NYPD photograph your Eye or longer jail stay

NYPD has a "optional" program to photograph the iris of arrestees.

If it was clearly presented as optional, why would anyone under arrest volunteer to have it done?
said by NYT :

After her arrest at an Occupy Wall Street protest in December, Samantha Wilson expected to be booked, fingerprinted and subjected to a mug shot.
But when a police officer raised a small device to her face and began photographing her eyes, she declined.

Ms. Wilson, 32, said her refusal resulted in a threat from the officer.
"He said: 'It's not really optional. It'll take you longer to get out of here if you don't do it,'" she recalled.

Ms. Wilson's lawyer, Rebecca Heinegg, said that her client was eventually released without the photograph being taken, but that she was held for about 36 hours, longer than usual.

A year into the program, opponents have renewed their objections and accused officers of sometimes pressuring people to submit to the photographs - which are supposed to be optional - by keeping those who do not comply in custody longer.

Confusion about whether the photographs are mandatory has extended to the bench.
During the Jan. 29 arraignment of Kevin Jones, 57, on charges of obstructing governmental administration, Judge Abraham Clott, of Manhattan Criminal Court, twice told Mr. Jones's lawyer that the iris photographs were compulsory.

Steven Banks, the attorney in chief for the Legal Aid Society, said that when the program began, clients who did not submit to the photographs were processed normally.
That changed recently, he said, and the police have delayed the arraignment of some Legal Aid Society clients who declined iris photographs.

"There appears to be a not-so-subtle switch in police practice," Mr. Banks said. "It's only a matter of time before we challenge this change in practice."

Mr. Banks said it was problematic that the police were applying the program "without any legislative authorization to New Yorkers who may well be wrongfully accused of misconduct."

There have been 24,000 iris photographs taken.
Are there that many people who thought "Hey. Getting my iris photographed sounds like a great idea" ?

jvmorris
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Well, the reason for this is intuitively obvious (to the most casual observer, as they say).

Everyone knows that repeat offenders go around leaving images of their irises at all crime scenes!

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Do repeat porn site visitors leave cockeyed iris images behind?

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Begs the question when iris scanners are to be implemented at airports,nightclubs and corporations just to exclude those on a blacklist.

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Ah, the new high-tech nazi state. I see the day where this will be a criminal offense to refuse.

People better start getting off their asses, and challenge this stuff, instead of watching the Academy Awards.

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said by jvmorris:

Everyone knows that repeat offenders go around leaving images of their irises at all crime scenes!

Is it true that remote operated irise rootkits are being installed during the scan?
Wouldn't that hurt?

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Nah, it's an RFID under the eyelid...

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I have lived in NY most of my life - including the '70s & '80s when crime was rampant. Honestly, I have never seen the NYPD as out of control as they are now.
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said by whizkid3:

I have lived in NY most of my life - including the '70s & '80s when crime was rampant. Honestly, I have never seen the NYPD as out of control as they are now.

Well, Mayor Bloomberg has no heart or soul.

No human empathy.

Seriously. I've felt that for so long, I've wondered if he has Asperger's.

Compared to Bloomberg, Mitt Romney is the life of the party.

Noah Vail
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said by PX Eliezer704:

Compared to Bloomberg, Mitt Romney is the life of the party.

Mitt Romney is more entertaining than Mike Bloomberg, Al Gore and Bob Dole all stuffed into the same Ferret Den.
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I'm sure it'll reduce the number of "John Smiths" that get picked up.

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said by Secyurityet:

I'm sure it'll reduce the number of "John Smiths" that get picked up.

/sarcasm ....Seeing how finger prints are not as unique as an iris scan!!

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said by Lagz:

Seeing how finger prints are not as unique as an iris scan!! /sarcasm

FTFY.
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said by Juggernaut:

FTFY.

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Fixed That For You

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When irises are outlawed, only outlaws will have... umm, wait.

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said by whizkid3:

I have lived in NY most of my life - including the '70s & '80s when crime was rampant. Honestly, I have never seen the NYPD as out of control as they are now.

This is not a NYPD thing.

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said by Juggernaut:

Ah, the new high-tech nazi state. I see the day where this will be a criminal offense to refuse.

Instead of, "Your papers please", are we going to start hearing, "Your pupils please" ?

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said by psafux:

said by Juggernaut:

Ah, the new high-tech nazi state. I see the day where this will be a criminal offense to refuse.

Instead of, "Your papers please", are we going to start hearing, "Your pupils please" ?

Can't wait for the reaction when a citizen thus asked pops out his prosthetic eye and hands it to the officer...

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"Seriously. I've felt that for so long, I've wondered if he has Azz Whipe " syndrome?

Fixed it for you
Expand your moderator at work

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Re: Voluntarily let NYPD photograph your Eye or longer jail stay

said by Red_Menace:

When irises are outlawed, only outlaws will have... umm, wait.

Naw because everybody knows if you play with guns, you're gonna shoot your eyes out.

- FM

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ha..........................

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The use of the term Photograph your Eye is substandard editing on the part of the NYT and is almost laughable.

If they had used the proper terminology: Retinal Scan or Iris recognition (not clear exactly which process they are using as iris recognition involves the use of a video), it would have made more sense and reduced the laugh factor.

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said by Sparrow:

The use of the term Photograph your Eye is substandard editing on the part of the NYT and is almost laughable.

If they had used the proper terminology: Retinal Scan or Iris recognition (not clear exactly which process they are using as iris recognition involves the use of a video), it would have made more sense and reduced the laugh factor.

Uhmm... many of us out here in flyover country consider the NYT inherently laughable, so any reduction would likely have been only trivial.

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said by Sparrow:

The use of the term Photograph your Eye is substandard editing on the part of the NYT and is almost laughable.

If they had used the proper terminology: Retinal Scan or Iris recognition (not clear exactly which process they are using as iris recognition involves the use of a video), it would have made more sense and reduced the laugh factor.

The terminology was probably used intentionally. I've never seen the Times' style book, but many papers have a policy of dumbing-down specialized terms to make them easier to understand for people who read at a grade school level. Sure, it's imprecise, but it gets the point across. Pathetic as it is, print and electronic media are more and more catering to the lowest common denominator.

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said by Rocky67:

I've never seen the Times' style book, but many papers have a policy of dumbing-down specialized terms to make them easier to understand for people who read at a grade school level.

Maybe, when you dumb it down to the point that you can use the term "voluntary" with a straight face, followed by listing repercussions if you don't "volunteer," you've gone too far.

Or in this case, the NYT has.

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said by goalieskates:

said by Rocky67:

I've never seen the Times' style book, but many papers have a policy of dumbing-down specialized terms to make them easier to understand for people who read at a grade school level.

Maybe, when you dumb it down to the point that you can use the term "voluntary" with a straight face, followed by listing repercussions if you don't "volunteer," you've gone too far.

Or in this case, the NYT has.

I totally agree. The dumbing-down combined with uninformed, inaccurate, and biased reporting have become so egregious in newspaper circles in the last twenty five years that I quit reading the damn things after I left the business.

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said by Rocky67:

said by goalieskates:

said by Rocky67:

I've never seen the Times' style book, but many papers have a policy of dumbing-down specialized terms to make them easier to understand for people who read at a grade school level.

Maybe, when you dumb it down to the point that you can use the term "voluntary" with a straight face, followed by listing repercussions if you don't "volunteer," you've gone too far.

Or in this case, the NYT has.

I totally agree. The dumbing-down combined with uninformed, inaccurate, and biased reporting have become so egregious in newspaper circles in the last twenty five years that I quit reading the damn things after I left the business.

Nothing new and has always been that way. The papers would edit their material to correspond to an average 8th grade level. This in turn becomes a downward spiral as that particular standard has lessened over the years; at least on a literary/composition level...

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said by coldmoon:

Nothing new and has always been that way. The papers would edit their material to correspond to an average 8th grade level. This in turn becomes a downward spiral as that particular standard has lessened over the years; at least on a literary/composition level...

You're precisely correct. That policy didn't change in the 30 years I worked at a large newspaper and was in place long before I was there. Neither did uninformed, inaccurate reporting. What did change is the bias injected into the mix. That has increased dramatically since I left the paper.