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jchambers28

join:2007-05-12
Alma, AR
reply to jchambers28

Re: [Parts Check] TV tuner

How big of a HDD do i need for 300 HRS of HD recding?


JoelC707
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Lanett, AL
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It's gonna depend on the compression method used (or lack thereof). Best I can find right off the bat is that one of the bigger Tivos advertises 300 hr HD recording capacity and uses a 2TB drive.



darcilicious
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Forest Grove, OR
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reply to jchambers28

High end estimate of about 6GB/hour for 1080i recordings that you get from cable companies.



jchambers28

join:2007-05-12
Alma, AR
reply to jchambers28

I need a 2 TB hard drive for HD recording where can i get one these days without costing a ton of money.



Octavean
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join:2001-03-31
New York, NY
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I bought a couple of WD My Book 3TB HDDs at Costco for ~$109 each about 4 months ago. I haven’t been looking much recently but the few times I did I didn’t much like what I was seeing price wise.

What size HDD do you have now? If you have something you can get started with now (~500GB or so) it could save you some coin rather then having to buy something now. Its not like Installing Windows since its easy to change the HDD used for recorded TV with a few clicks within the Media Center menu system. Also for multiple HD recordings its recommended to have the record HDD separate from the OS HDD.

From the Media Center home screen go to:

settings > TV > Recorder > Recorder Storage > Record on drive + / -

The default is “C:”. Just change it to whatever drive you add later either internal HDD or external HDD. If you like you should be able to move all your recordings or leave them on different HDDs. Some CableCard recordings will be encrypted but since it’s the same system doing the decrypting it shouldn’t be a problem.

So in short buy the 2TB HDD when you need the space, peck through the menu and you should be good.


JoelC707
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Lanett, AL
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Can you set media center to record on multiple drives? Say you had one of the 3-6 tuner models all on one system. If you were trying to record 3+ different shows at once, be they SD or HD, the HDD can only write so much at once. Wouldn't it be better to write to different drives, basically 1 per tuner? Short of that the only thing I can think of would be a hardware assisted RAID array which is getting well beyond the scope of most HTPC installs not to mention more noise and heat generation.

Which would actually also be true if you had 3+ individual drives in the computer anyway. So how do they handle it? Has anyone done any testing to see how many channels can be recorded at once to the same HDD before issues arise?



Octavean
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join:2001-03-31
New York, NY
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I don’t think Microsoft Media Center can record to multiple locations at the same time. Perhaps Windows 8 Media Center has some under the hood changes but from what I have seen so far it doesn’t differ from the Windows 7 version in any way,……at all.

I suspect that having the OS HDD separate from the record HDD is good enough for a 4 or 6 recording setup under most conditions.

I use a Hauppauge HD PVR USB unit (H.264) with two Silicondust HDHomeRun units (QAM) for the bedroom Media Center system. That’s a 1 + 4 tuner configuration. Most of the time its fine but I also have a number of series recordings setup to automatically transfer to our local Windows Home Server. Added file transfers just adds to the disc activity (during heavy recordings) and network traffic. This is all off of a single HDD though.



darcilicious
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said by Octavean:

I don’t think Microsoft Media Center can record to multiple locations at the same time. Perhaps Windows 8 Media Center has some under the hood changes but from what I have seen so far it doesn’t differ from the Windows 7 version in any way,……at all.

You might want to check out Windows 8 Storage Spaces

»arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2···-all.ars

Pher9999

join:2011-07-06
Carmel, NY
reply to jchambers28

I use a WD Green 2.5TB drive, it records 3 HD feeds at a time just fine. It can do like 300Hours of storage. I do run a custom built Windows Home Server to offload all videos to that which is 6TB Hardware raid.


HarryH3
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reply to jchambers28

Target has a 2TB WD My Book Essential (Fan cooled) with USB 3.0 interface for $129.99. I just set one up with a USB 3 card (plugs into a PCIe x1 slot) and it's smokin' fast compared to a USB 2 model. I've attached a screenshot of the HD Tune benchmark. Seems like it's not too shabby for an external drive.


jchambers28

join:2007-05-12
Alma, AR
reply to Octavean

another price drop on it. This time no MIR

»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···15116072



Octavean
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New York, NY
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said by darcilicious:

said by Octavean:

I don’t think Microsoft Media Center can record to multiple locations at the same time. Perhaps Windows 8 Media Center has some under the hood changes but from what I have seen so far it doesn’t differ from the Windows 7 version in any way,……at all.

You might want to check out Windows 8 Storage Spaces

»arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2···-all.ars

Interesting, although I don’t know if this Windows 8 implementation of drive pooling is what JoelC707 was asking about. Generally speaking when I think of drive pooling I think in terms of aggregating storage space and not necessarily that of speed. It would be interesting to play with though and see how it performs.

said by jchambers28:

I need a 2 TB hard drive for HD recording where can i get one these days without costing a ton of money.

Not sure if this is a good price these days and I have never used Hitachi before but here you go:

»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···5475-L0F

Coupon code: EMCNGJG42


darcilicious
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said by Octavean:

said by darcilicious:

said by Octavean:

I don’t think Microsoft Media Center can record to multiple locations at the same time. Perhaps Windows 8 Media Center has some under the hood changes but from what I have seen so far it doesn’t differ from the Windows 7 version in any way,……at all.

You might want to check out Windows 8 Storage Spaces

»arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2···-all.ars

Interesting, although I don’t know if this Windows 8 implementation of drive pooling is what JoelC707 was asking about. Generally speaking when I think of drive pooling I think in terms of aggregating storage space and not necessarily that of speed.

It is all about drive pooling »www.anandtech.com/show/5307/wind···detailed I'm sure if you can google for more details


Octavean
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New York, NY
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Well its something I would love to see in the next version of Windows Home Server to be sure. However, I don’t tend to want to have much in the way of massive local storage on individual dedicated Media Center systems. I would rather have a massive storage pools on a central Windows Home Server with non-DRM recordings sent to the pool via dedicated Media Center systems. Failing that I would like to have a tuner pool on the server (non-DRM recordings) as well as the storage pool on the server.

Either way I don’t want or need a storage pool on the Media Center systems.

Too bad its not bootable though,….


JoelC707
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Lanett, AL
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I was actually thinking of doing that for my setup. Use the HD HomeRun networked tuner, 1 for the media center box and 2 for the server, just record straight to it. My other thought was if it's networked I can sit at my regular PC and watch TV if I don't want to get up or if the TV is being used. Gives more versatility than an internal or USB tuner.



Octavean
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join:2001-03-31
New York, NY
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reply to jchambers28

Click for full size
Newegg has the Ceton InfiniTV 4 quad CableCard tuner for $169.99 with Promo Code: EMCYTZT1370 plus free S&H.

snevl
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join:2002-12-15
Aurora, CO
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·Comcast

said by Octavean:

Newegg has the Ceton InfiniTV 4 quad CableCard tuner for $169.99 with Promo Code: EMCYTZT1370 plus free S&H.

Wow, that is tempting. I've got one of the Ceton PCIe cards and am very happy with it after a year or so. I keep thinking the USB box would not be as good. Seems like having 4 channels of HD video processed through the layers of hardware and software for USB (along with periodic channel changes and such) would just not work as well. I guess I'll go look at the reviews.

Thanks for posting though. I was just about to buy the second PCIe card in the next few days.