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ptrowski
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Re: [iPhone] AT&T customers surprised by 'unlimited data' limit

You can devise any numbers you so choose as long as it pays your dividends. The throttling practice of AT&T is the the worst out of the carriers.


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said by ptrowski:

You can devise any numbers you so choose as long as it pays your dividends. The throttling practice of AT&T is the the worst out of the carriers.

That's the summation of your argument?
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For now yes. Why? Because I will continue to show it is a smokescreen to throttle under the guise of the 5%, and you will continue to show how we are not revenue producing and it's in AT&T's best fininacial interest. We will go back and forth not convincing either to change their mind.

I want speeds that are not throttled under false pretense, you want want maximum dividends paid to you. We can agree to disagree.
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said by ptrowski:

For now yes. Why? Because I will continue to show it is a smokescreen to throttle under the guise of the 5%, and you will continue to show how we are not revenue producing and it's in AT&T's best fininacial interest. We will go back and forth not convincing either to change their mind.

If it's a smokescreen, switch to one that doesn't do it. Vote with your wallet. If AT&T doesn't make money because they don't offer unlimited unthrottled wireless data for all, then they'll offer it.

I want speeds that are not throttled under false pretense, you want want maximum dividends paid to you. We can agree to disagree.

You want a non-profit utility run by the government funded by the people, and I live in a country that embraces capitalism.
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We shall eventually when the ETF is at a reasonable amount. At this point Verizon would be a way to go if caught on one of the double data promotions. I don't want a non profit at all, nice try. I am just sick and tired of being repeatedly bent over more and more. Double the upgrade fee? Great! Throttle the data? Fantastic! Limited texting packages? Wonderful!

The congestion statement is false. Like I said when I called I was told there would be no congestion if I went to a tiered plan. Really? Horse crap.
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don't buy the service if you don't want to be "bent over".

It's a service, not a human right. I'm tired of people whining about how they're getting ripped off for not getting unlimited data.
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And I am tried of people whinin about congestion and dividends paid. So we can agree to disagree.


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said by ptrowski:

And I am tried of people whinin about congestion and dividends paid. So we can agree to disagree.

I didn't ever say anything about congestion, did I? I just repeatedly pointed out that for-profit companies mostly care about profit. Since that's the world we live in, being outraged over a company doing that seems silly.
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Silly me, I took this..

"It's not a smokescreen. 3G is designed for burst traffic, not streaming media. Consumers of large amounts of bandwidth are consuming it with long running streams. Which ties up resources on a tower. Which costs significant dollars to expand capacity on."

as your explanation of congestion.
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said by ptrowski:

Silly me, I took this..

"It's not a smokescreen. 3G is designed for burst traffic, not streaming media. Consumers of large amounts of bandwidth are consuming it with long running streams. Which ties up resources on a tower. Which costs significant dollars to expand capacity on."

as your explanation of congestion.

Nope, it's the reality of how GSM works, and where the expense is. The rest of that post went on to explain how metered data use generated revenue to pay for expansion, while unmetered did not. So, in context, the issue isn't "congestion" - it's capacity utilization vs revenue. Congestion is YOUR red herring, since it's decoupled from any idea that there are costs associated with capacity.

Do you think each tower has unlimited capacity for long running data sessions? Does each tower have unlimited backhaul?
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Yes, and they are powered by unicorns eating fairy dust. Of course not.
It's not my herring, it's the BS being told to me from AT&T directly via SMS, email, and on the phone. And when the header on the email says Domestic Restricted Data Cap it is disturbing.

Increase capacity if there is an issue.
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u can eat buffet and eating just salad, who does that? Human nature is to eat and eat and eat.


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Increase capacity if there is an issue.

which costs money, which is raised by charging for use. We agree!
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said by JohnInSJ:

said by ptrowski:

Increase capacity if there is an issue.

which costs money, which is raised by charging for use. We agree!

yes, because ATT was losing money in the first place....
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said by AVD:

said by JohnInSJ:

said by ptrowski:

Increase capacity if there is an issue.

which costs money, which is raised by charging for use. We agree!

yes, because ATT was losing money in the first place....

Exactly. They need these improvements to remain competitive. The nickel and diming is out of control.
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said by JohnInSJ:

said by ptrowski:

Increase capacity if there is an issue.

which costs money, which is raised by charging for use. We agree!

You mean trying to push me to pay more for my use.


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said by AVD:

said by JohnInSJ:

said by ptrowski:

Increase capacity if there is an issue.

which costs money, which is raised by charging for use. We agree!

yes, because ATT was losing money in the first place....

Well, how much profit do they need to make? By THIS logic, APPLE is screwing the living daylights out of its customers. Where's the freaking outrage?
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said by ptrowski:

said by JohnInSJ:

said by ptrowski:

Increase capacity if there is an issue.

which costs money, which is raised by charging for use. We agree!

You mean trying to push me to pay more for my use.

Yep, exactly. Since unlimited use for fixed income doesn't scale, they switched to a metered billing system. Not unlike electricity. After all, all you need to do is built more power plants to supply more electricity, right? So I guess you're unhappy about that metered billing too?
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I believe most people wouldn't have a problem with a pure metered system if the cost of the bandwidth was reasonable. Say 50 cents per Gig. The light users can save money without having to pay a minimum, and the heavy users won't get dragged over the coals with each bill. A win win.
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I'm on the unlimited plan. To me, the best data plan would be something like $25/mo. for 5GB with 5GB tethering included. And then $45/mo. 10GB with 5GB tethering.
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said by Rob:

I'm on the unlimited plan. To me, the best data plan would be something like $25/mo. for 5GB with 5GB tethering included. And then $45/mo. 10GB with 5GB tethering.

Isn't that similar to how Verizon Wireless does it?
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said by trparky:

said by Rob:

I'm on the unlimited plan. To me, the best data plan would be something like $25/mo. for 5GB with 5GB tethering included. And then $45/mo. 10GB with 5GB tethering.

Isn't that similar to how Verizon Wireless does it?

Not according to their website.
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Yep, exactly. Since unlimited use for fixed income doesn't scale, they switched to a metered billing system. Not unlike electricity. After all, all you need to do is built more power plants to supply more electricity, right? So I guess you're unhappy about that metered billing too?

I'd have no problem if the amount charged for the metered/tiered billing wasn't a royal shafting. Like charging for individual texts, it's a cash cow. I think many more folks would feel a little less miffed if the data charges resembled something reasonable.
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I agree. $10 a GB for overages on a tiered plan is robbery.


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said by ptrowski:

I agree. $10 a GB for overages on a tiered plan is robbery.

So don't get service from them. Last I checked no one was holding any guns to anyone's head.
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said by JohnInSJ:

said by ptrowski:

I agree. $10 a GB for overages on a tiered plan is robbery.

So don't get service from them. Last I checked no one was holding any guns to anyone's head.

Just in the form of increased ETF's.


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said by ptrowski:

said by JohnInSJ:

said by ptrowski:

I agree. $10 a GB for overages on a tiered plan is robbery.

So don't get service from them. Last I checked no one was holding any guns to anyone's head.

Just in the form of increased ETF's.

And in the form of no one else providing service of the same kind with the same coverage areas. Who else do you have? Verizon?
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said by ptrowski:

said by JohnInSJ:

said by ptrowski:

I agree. $10 a GB for overages on a tiered plan is robbery.

So don't get service from them. Last I checked no one was holding any guns to anyone's head.

Just in the form of increased ETF's.

Well, only if you buy a subsidized phone. Which was... uh... your choice, right?
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And in the form of no one else providing service of the same kind with the same coverage areas. Who else do you have? Verizon?

So, wait, AT&T is the better provider? Or no worse than other providers? I thought AT&T was evil, and all other providers had excellent service with no caps.
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Well, only if you buy a subsidized phone. Which was... uh... your choice, right?

Why yes it is.