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1 edit | Door to Door Bell Salesman So last night as my internet went down in South Etobicoke a Bell Salesman came to my door. He had an offer, I politely said I would not want anything to do with Bell, but he asked if at least I would hear him out, and having no internet and being on the phone on wait with Teksavvy, I decided sure, go for it.
His offer:
19.95 Internet 6 or 8mb and 25gig
19.95 home phone
19.95 TV
After he finished I said that I dont watch tv, I pay very little as it is for telephone and 25 GB was a joke. He asked what do I pay Rogers then, I corrected him, that I am with teksavvy , again he said Tek can only offer 6mbs but he has other packages, I told him I am on the Teksavvy plan 24/1 and pay 46.99 a month. He said Really, That is good, and walked away. Made me wonder why Tek does not have salespeople like that going door to door, especially at buildings. |
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yabos
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London, ON | I'm glad they don't. I'm sick of these sales people sneaking into my secured building and bothering everyone. |
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 zacronThe nutterPremium
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York, ON
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| In hamlton, i got them arrested being trespassing and all! Stupid people didnt listen when told never to come back. My whole building signed the "no solicitation" sign lol.
We will allow elections canada staff to come in for auditing purposes or whatever the need be under law.
Z
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yabos
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London, ON | That's a great idea! I wonder if the cops would actually come out for that call. |
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 dillyhammerBack to TeksavvyPremium,MVM
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| said by yabos:That's a great idea! I wonder if the cops would actually come out for that call.
Poor bastard is just trying to do his job. Bad enough he's sworn at, spat at, has doors slammed in his face, called every name in the book, and barely scratches a living out of it - you want him arrested too?
Jeez.
I just say "no thank you", and try and have a little respect for someone trying to earn a living.
Mike
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| reply to yabos
The burden of proof is on the trespasser. Pretty much a slam dunk if they don't have any legit reason in the building.
Now if only the superintendents would do something like responding in less than an hour in my building... |
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bt
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said by dillyhammer:said by yabos:That's a great idea! I wonder if the cops would actually come out for that call.
Poor bastard is just trying to do his job. Bad enough he's sworn at, spat at, has doors slammed in his face, called every name in the book, and barely scratches a living out of it - you want him arrested too? Jeez. I just say "no thank you", and try and have a little respect for someone trying to earn a living. Mike If it's a "secure" building, especially with a "no solicitors" sign posted, they've made their own choice to cross that line. |
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yabos
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London, ON | reply to dillyhammer
said by dillyhammer:said by yabos:That's a great idea! I wonder if the cops would actually come out for that call.
Poor bastard is just trying to do his job. Bad enough he's sworn at, spat at, has doors slammed in his face, called every name in the book, and barely scratches a living out of it - you want him arrested too? Jeez. I just say "no thank you", and try and have a little respect for someone trying to earn a living. Mike Yeah well I pay good money for a secured building that requires key cards to get into. There's also a no solicitation sign at the main entrance to the building. They don't respect the privacy of the tenants so why should I respect them?
It's akin to having a gated community or a gated fence around your house and they sneak into the area or climb over your fence and still bother you.
They can still earn a living without trespassing. |
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| reply to Ott_Cable
Re: Door to Door Bell Salesman »www.subject-control-and-combativ···ass.html "Ontario Trespass to Property Act FAQs"
>According to the act, who can be classified as an "occupier?"
>An occupier can be (as persons authorized by the owner/occupier):
>A tenant or guest in a residence
>An offense is committed if a person enters onto property when they are not allowed; everyone is prohibited ie: "NO TRESPASSING", An individual is prohibited - "barred or banned"; Engages in a particular type of behaviour.
>What is the presumption in the TPA about when a person can approach a building or dwelling?
>There is a presumption that access for lawful purposes to the door of a building or premises by a means apparently provided and used for this purpose. That reasonable entry is permitted if not completely blocked.(ie. Fence, closed and locked gate)
A sales person entering a locked area is trespassing. Door-to Door is not allowed when the sign says "No Soliciting". The law is pretty clear on that.
What if the person isn't a salesman, but rather someone trying to find who is not home and attempt to break in? I had a salesman who flashes his business card once. My hand went to hold it and he pull back very strongly and would not let me read it.
>Remember the Ontario Trespass to Property Act gives civilians, potentially, sweeping arrest authorities but no release authorities. Always consider all of your other options before proceeding to make an arrest.
That's the unfortunately part. No catch and release. I escorted one out of the building (without arresting him). |
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| reply to Anon
Seems like the magic word is VoIP for Bell and Rogers salesman when they want to sell you service. When they hear it, they would simply drop the sale pitch on the telephone service. They wouldn't even try to give you an offer. I hadn't even have a chance to tell them how much I love my VoIP at 1/10 what they charge me per month.
On the last Bell guy that did door to door. He was asking how the service with everyone. I told him "Not anymore". He answered "Did Bell screw you?" I said "Yeap". "I am sorry to hear that" and walked away. |
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| reply to Ott_Cable
Ah well.
I guess it's just a question of overall, all 'round respect for people.
Gated or no, I really don't see the need to treat anyone with so little respect like that, regardless.
But if misfortune were to ever befall you and you wound up having to pound the pavement like that to feed your family, heaven forbid you ever knock on the door of someone who thinks so poorly of his fellow man.
What goes around comes around. Often sooner than you think.
There's a very fine line between gated communities and social housing too.
That line is also very easily crossed.
Mike
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 MerovingianCause and Effect
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| said by dillyhammer:Ah well.
There's a very fine line between gated communities and social housing too.
That line is also very easily crossed.
Mike
+1 nice point. |
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| reply to dillyhammer
why should i respect a human being that works for a company that ripped me off( still owe me two pvr deposits, 2 months @ 40$ for a telephone they didn't let me have and maybe a lawsuit for some pain and suffering WHY NOT)
, almost cost me my life( illegally cut off 9/11 after i'd been brutally attacked and almost bled to death) and generally is scamming everyone as much as they can( even with a scanned at huge size copy of a receipt that has them picking up said pvrs they continue to conveniently lose it, until i said i live 5 minutes from a court house)....DAMN i want to punch the guy in head , no really fact i swear at him is my respect for the law....and not wanting to do jail time for a piece a garbage like a bell person. I even was harassed on this board by some of there cronies....
ya not notice someone always tries to get people going in these threads i wonder if its a crony of someone.... |
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| reply to dillyhammer
>I guess it's just a question of overall, all 'round respect for people.
There is also the lack of respect of others privacy and sanctity of one's own home. Not like I am advocating trespasser to be shot on sight as some places down south.
There is also the issue of security of someone pretending as a sale person, but really a thief trying to see if anyone (including neighbors) is home before breaking in. The one guy that knock on my door that I mention in my previous post sound like one.
There is also one big dude that kick on my door very hard several times because he could get his flyer in. Now if I was an old lady that would have given me a heart attack.
After a few intrusions like that, would you not change your mind!? |
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said by dillyhammer:Gated or no, I really don't see the need to treat anyone with so little respect like that, regardless.
If they had to get through a locked door, and past signs that say "no soliciting" or "no trespassing", they've made that conscious choice that goes beyond having to pound the pavement to feed their family. At that point, it's not even the company they work for - they, as an individual, have chosen to disrespect the (legally binding) "no solicitation" request. So why should they not face the consequences for their own chosen actions? |
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| reply to Ott_Cable
said by Ott_Cable :>
After a few intrusions like that, would you not change your mind!?
If someone knocks on my door to make a pitch to sell me something, I usually give a short listen, say "no thank you... have a nice day" and close the door.
If someone knocks on my door looking for trouble, I have a response for that too.
As a rational adult, I am able to distinguish between these two types of people fairly quickly and treat them accordingly.
I guess what you're saying is you'd rather not have to make those decisions at all and would just prefer no-one knock on your door at all. This I can respect, as that is your choice. As much as it is your choice to be calm, and be nice, when the odd character does wander in. No need for the spitting, name-calling, violence, citizens arrest, police, blast furnaces, all that.
That's all I'm saying.
Mike
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said by bt:If they had to get through a locked door, and past signs that say "no soliciting" or "no trespassing", they've made that conscious choice that goes beyond having to pound the pavement to feed their family. At that point, it's not even the company they work for - they, as an individual, have chosen to disrespect the (legally binding) "no solicitation" request. So why should they not face the consequences for their own chosen actions?
I used to fix basements. I mean, at the foundation level. Digging. Underpinning. Footings. Tar. 10 hours days, 6 days a week. When I got home from work it took a gallon of gas to get the tar off my body. Every day. After a while all the hair was gone too.
You think if someone had a posted a sign in my yard that said "no tar" that would have stopped me? Nothing goes beyond feeding one's family, nothing.
It's just a difference in the way we chose to treat people in general.
Standing in a courtroom, 2 people. One, the trespasser selling crap to earn a living and feed his family, the other the person who, living in a gated community, charged the first with trespassing.
Youre saying you have no problem being the second.
I'm saying I'd rather die than be anyone other than the first.
This isn't about the law.
This is about being human.
Mike
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It wasn't knocking. It was kicking on the door like a raid. The door was literally vibrating. There is an old lady down the hall way and a few people that don't lock their doors. I would not want any strangers in this building.
One thing you have to realize that you don't know my area. I was surprise to read the local police report that my neighborhood is classified as high crime rate and also associated with some no so desirable elements.
Given the economy, I don't have much of a choice of places to stay. There is an incentive for keeping this place secured.
As for karma... I have been paying for it so far and no idea when that will stop. |
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