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Packeteers
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Re: VPN Review websights

after 3 days using various VPN servers offerred by the Swedes,
I decided to try another popular product that focuses on torrent
by providing a proxy+encryption only for torrent addressing, so it's
not the "my IP is in another country with net neutrality" solution,
but the hope is "what my ISP don't know, won't hurt me" of proxy.
I know proxy even with encryption has flaws, but bare with me;

I paid $7/mo for BTGuard alone (not their extra VPN service)
all they require is any username password and then you paypal.
within 5min my name/pw worked on their system, and i first
tried manually configuring my utorrent 2.2.1, but ended up with
the same problem I had with torrentprivacy - useless trackers.

however BTGuard provides an idiot proof installer that gives
you the latest torrent client of your choice and configures it.
once i downloaded ran for utorrent, and put in my name/pw
the whole thing set up well. i then rebooted just for good
measure, and started new and preconfigured utorrent 3.1.2
no other software agent is running, and i'm using my primary
TWCable IP, so I can surf play games day trade, and as far
as the rest of my connection is concerned, i'm just doing a
lot of downloading of encrypted data on proxy coated IPs.

So here's the great news. with utorrent i'm now able to
download at FULL Bandwidth, which I throttle at 900:9kb/s
using the VPN, my best speeds were under 150:9kb/s so
this is a huge difference. I do admit that trackers are still
a minor problem, which can be resolved if you know how to
add more good trackers manually - I cut&paste a list I keep.
this also means the low seed:peer files may not work here,
so if your book club wants you to read something on torrent
with a lot of peers but only a part time seeder, you may be
out of luck while using BTGuard - again, no big deal for me.

what I call the "clamping time" of how long do your many
trackers latch on to seed:peers, will take more time with
BTGuard, so be patient at first... once the connections
are established, it will be smooth sailing after that.
A minor thing is while torrent is running, and you open
your browser, the initial "resolving proxy" on startup may
take a few seconds longer before your home page loads,
at least that is what I noticed with google.com in chrome.

an occasional problem is when you add torrents using files,
it's fine, but if you cut&paste to add torrent from URL this
may not work unless you stop all your torrents, disable
the proxy, then add the URL, enable your proxy, then
restart all your torrents - a hassle, but still worth it.
I don't know if this is technically true, but it feels right;
because the torrent proxy and my browser proxy are
now different, I find my browser responds much better
even while I'm torrenting 80% of my total bandwidth.
even my game clients don't seem to notice torrents.

Now here is the best news of all... I can run PeerBlock
enabled the whole time, and not only do I get far fewer
sniffers then using a VPN, but so far not a single TWCable
related sniffer has looked at my IP - this is the main reason
I did all this in the first place - to make sure I can keep my
ISP off my back over whatever little torrenting I may do.
It's worth noting that PeerBlock can block LeaseWeb which
is a well known net neutral source of Seedbox file hosting,
so PeerBlock may keep a good source of seed:peers away,
as SeedBox'ing grows in popularity at hiding torrent hosts.
If you whitelist LeaseWeb 85.17.0.0 - 85.17.255.255 that
may get rid of most of the SeedBox blocks on Peerblock,
thus allowing you to keep it enabled. more accurate info;
»betterinfotech.blogspot.com/2010···-in.html

Obviously, this is first impression during non-primetime hours,
so I will update this thread in a week, and continue to play
with my VPN on weekends when maybe it will work faster,
but I hope my own saga can benefit some DSLR readers
confused by all the biased reviews and claims on this subject.
I have yet to try seedbox or magnet links, but if BTGuard
works consistently, I may not bother with new methods.

oh, and a special shout out to RARPSL for helping me figure
out how to change my TWCable public IP address, and this;
»www.cableforum.co.uk/board/94/33···ess.html
for teaching me a few other DHCP tricks to renew my IP,
as I got a fresh public IP before trying BTGuard to make
sure any TWCable sniffs were not inherited from before.

UPDATE: BTGuard continues to perform better than a VPN
but somehow performance is not constant as a file with
many seed:peers can still go slow compared to how fast
it was without any safeguards. since it will sometimes
perk up and go half my bandwidth capacity, it's all good.
VPN was slow, but it's flow seemed a lot more consistent.
at this point I'd rather have intermittent speed rates with
good seed:peer connections, since the better my trackers
find seeds, the more confident I am to eventually get 100%
of the file i want, even if it takes a few more hours or days.

i ran the following test that my indicate throttling is being
done on BTGuard. trying to get a 1gb 20seed:20peer file
for a day at 30kb/s avg download, i closed utorrent, went
into my USA VPN, opened utorrent but disabled BTGuard's
proxy. and within 5 minutes I was downloading 300kb/s or
10x faster than with BTGuard. peerblock is going crazy with
all the sniffers, but it's sniffing my VPN's IP not me. to be
fair I have to run more such test to see if maybe a few key
trackers are not resolving while on BTGuard, so it's not a
throttling issue, rather trackers refusing to work while proxy.
Either way, it may be wise to pay for BOTH a Proxy and VPN,
since when one alone seems slow, the other alone may help.



Packeteers
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interesting no sponcer biased list i found;

»pastehtml.com/view/1dzybe3.html

a more elaborate list that may be biased;

»vpnreviewz.com/

odd how they avoid reviewing BTGuard,
while including so many paid VPN & Proxy

»myvpnreviews.com/

can't tell if this place is biased - more like a popularity
contest with vpn's potentially reviewing themselves

VPNTunnel has been hit or miss performance so
when my Month with them expires, I'll might try
»www.ibvpn.com/
$5 torrent allowed unlimited.
this is in addition to BTGuard.
so I'll use BTGuard alone for recent poplar torrents,
(since many trackers don't allow proxy connections)
and IBVPN for old low seed poorly tracked torrents.
(where all trackers work, but at lower VPN speeds.

if anyone has better ideas, please chime in

I continue to dislike VPNTunnel more and more,
as their big resource hog client does not even
tell you which server is least congested, and
it's very cumbersome to keep trying different
VPN servers till you find one that's stable.
I'll get a IBVPN account next week, so I can
compare the two VPN's back to back before
my VPNTunnel Month expires.

BTGuard continues to impress on well seeded
torrents, but it drops half your trackers so
I will still need a VPN to get older torrents.

here's another semi-biased VPN review sight;

»www.vpnhero.com/



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said by »blog.vpntunnel.org/2011/06/29/pr···comment/ :

Privacy policy – a comment
VPNtunnel.se is based in Sweden and has been providing encrypted VPN connections since 2008. Sweden is a great country, it has some of the strongest personal integrity protection by law in the world. This is the reason that VPNtunnel.se has been able to provide the service without to keep logs, swedish law do not require us to do so. In fact, it is possible that swedish law actually prohibits us to keep logs due to the way our billing cycle is setup. Anyway, to summarize, the fact that we own and manage all our swedish servers ourselves in a 10 Gbps datacenter, combined with the swedish law, is what enables us to provide a qualitative and secure service.

This post aims to clarify our updated privacy policy. A touch of transparency.

Why is the privacy policy updated?
As you can see, we have updated our privacy policy: »www.vpntunnel.se/en/privacypolicy.php

The update is that we now need to keep certain logs from our non swedish servers. This is because many users have requested us to launch more servers across the world, and this is not a bad idea since it allows all users to bypass geo blocks etc. However, when we have physical servers in other jurisdictions, even though the judicial situation is everything but clear, it is possible that we are subject to these other countries laws, more specific, data retention laws. As it is our ambition to provide the service on a long term basis, obviously it is not an option to systematically break the countries in which we keep our dedicated servers laws.

Our options were, not to launch servers in other countries than Sweden and continue with our no logging policy, or to launch servers in other countries and continue with our no logging policy only on our swedish servers, we chose the latter one.

If you use other VPN providers from time to time who are not based in Sweden, you should ask yourself what their logging policy looks like. If they say that they do not log anything, they probably either lie or break the law. If not, it would be valuable to learn about their setup.

How does this affect your use of the service?
As you can see in our privacy policy, we apply a no logging policy on all swedish servers, and a 30 day logging policy on the other servers. At this point, it is important to remember a few of things:

- On all swedish servers, there is still a NO LOGGING policy.

- We do not monitor any traffic what so ever. On the non swedish machines we store ip addresses and time stamps of login and logout.

- It is not important from where you connect, what is important is to which server you connect. For example: a person from UAE who connects to a swedish server is subject to the swedish no logging policy. A person from Sweden who connects to a US server is subject to the logging policy.

So basically, if you are looking for security and personal integrity you connect to our swedish servers.


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Packeteers
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Arne, what's your point?
plenty of VPN's that allow torrent traffic
have similar policies, just as IBVPN does.
»www.ibvpn.com/privacy-policy.html
I got an email VPNTunnel is discounting
it's 1-2yr signup rates, and besides I'd
much rather have a Eastern European
based VPN who will ignore Americans
and their intrusive law enforcement.

I know you use VPNTunnel, but don't
be so sure they are the best out there
as this industry has evolve a lot in 2011
as it's customer base more than doubled.
BTW VPNTunnel never got back to me
about their server list so I could manually
configure VPN in Win'2K instead of using
their clunky .NET client. ignoring support
emails gives me little confidence with them.

one thing i do admire about VPNTunnel is
you simply pay with paypal directly, they
only ask for an account name/pw email.
IBVPN asks more than I'm comfortable with

this thread is getting pretty useless anyway,
since it's just you and me debating things,
nobody else here can be bothered to post.



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Actually, I use an American VPN provider - a provider who prohibits illegal downloads of film and music.

In my eyes VPNtunnel is not the best VPN provider. But I use VPN for security when using WiFi, mobile internet and networks not under my control. I have no need for illegal downloading.

However, for those who want to use a VPN provider for torrent and other activities not entirely legal, may find that using the VPNtunnel's Swedish servers may be a good protection.

Also, I wanted to point out that VPNtunnel do logging on servers outside of Sweden.
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Zaii

join:2008-09-03
Philadelphia, PA
reply to Packeteers

Thanks for posting all of your results. I've been thinking of using btguard or some type of vpn along with my utorrent.



Packeteers
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Zaii - i've updated my opinions since this thead here;
»[Newsgroups] Thoughts on VPN Services

in a nutshell:
Paypal finally refunded the $32 I wasted on torrentprivacy
I uninstalled vpntunnel's .NET client and stopped using them.
I did not get ibvpn - they wanted too much info at signup

I continue to like BTGuard, but will not renew* with them.
(higher cost and security, but half my trackers won't proxy)
I ended up getting linkideo VPN, and will stay with them.
(lowest cost, security not perfect**, but all trackers work)

If you want a simple secure solution and torrent mostly
currently popular tv movies and porn, BTGuard is great
with files that have many active seed:peers.

If you need to torrent older more obscure files that have
few or regional trackers (like asian stuff) then get a VPN,
since getting a file may take days off part time seeders.

if you get linkideo their €2 is PPTP and €5 is OpenVPN, so
you get better security in addition to 4x download capacity.
I would not bother getting their unlimited, since their low
cost plans are already faster than unlimited competitors.
on linkideo only torrent their German/Netherland servers,
not their French, UK or US servers.

* if BTGuard has some deep discount promotion, I may rejoin them.

** PPTP client drops VPN exposing your real IP while torrenting.
paying more to use OpenVPN may greatly reduce this problem.


Zaii

join:2008-09-03
Philadelphia, PA

With btguard do you have to download their version of utorrent, or can I just pop in their ip address in my existing copy?



Packeteers
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at first i tried their directions to apply the proxy to 2.2.1
and it did not work, so i downloaded their copy of 3.1.2
but i suspect any 3.x version will work with their proxy.
try applying their changes to your existing utorrent, since
they can easily be undone or made inactive. if it don't work,
I suggest you start with their download just to make sure
you see it working, then later if you want to apply their
proxy to an already installed version, you can since I have
more than one versions installed on my PC as well.

one other downside of btguard vs a euro/VPN is;
I suspect btguard proxy is through Canada, which means
primetime in USA is the slowest time for Canada too.
a euro/VPN may actually be faster since all the traffic
on their end takes place while they are all sleeping.
but this is just my own private observation while comparing
the two side by side, it may have little basis in fact

the upside of btguard is in the month i've used it daily,
it has never once leaked - and not a single tracker has
tried to sniff my public IP during or even after using it.


Zaii

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Philadelphia, PA

Sounds good, I think I'll give btguard a shot.

Thanks



Packeteers
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I am loving this €2/month Linkideo (use with VPNetMon)
here I'm getting a huge game file and look at this
past hour of speed I'm enjoying limited to 512kb/s




through trail and error i discovered the "secret" to keeping
your PPTP VPN Client from failing - don't go faster than you
pay for. when i throttle uTorrent to 900kb/s my VPN would
fail hourly, but when I brought it down to 700kb/s on a line
i was to get an average of 500kb/s on, my VPN could go for
half a day without a single drop. i can't really explain this
since my ISP service is over 1,200kb/s, but there it is




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Zaii

join:2008-09-03
Philadelphia, PA
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I tried the advanced set up and not having much luck with that. The trackers only seem to connect about 20% of the time. The torrent from checkmytorrentip.com shows the connection is working about 50% of the time, the other 50% shows proxy connection errors.

I'm running the lastest v3 of utorrent. I may try using their preconfiged version, not sure if that will make any differance.
When I googled the errors, they seem to be very common with btguard and also very common that btguard support never answers anyone about this issue.



Packeteers
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Zaii - now you see why i only did BTGuard for a Month.

as i reported earlier if you add your own list of popular
trackers to existing torrents, that allows BTGuard to
find more active ones that do not restrict proxy peers.
I'll pm you the list i assembled thus far, just keep in mind
many may work but not be relevant to every file you try.
remember when you cut and paste it to add trackers to
each torrent, be sure there is a blank line between each.


Zaii

join:2008-09-03
Philadelphia, PA

Thanks. I did try to add a few myself. It even has a hard time connecting to openbittorrent.



Packeteers
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from what i understand of how torrents work...

the reason many trackers don't take proxys is
that proxy users are considered selfish since
they can't seed files, they can only download.

i'm sure no proxy user loses any sleep over it



Arne Bolen
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reply to Packeteers

 
Just an update regarding VPNtunnel in Sweden.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread VPNtunnel does not do any logging as there are no legal requirement for such logging in Sweden. The European Union law requires logging but Sweden has for several years refused to obey that law.

However, this will now end at the end of April this year. The European Court of Justice (EU's Supreme Court) has ordered Sweden to implement the logging requirement into the state law. The parliament in Sweden has decided to obey the European Court of Justice.
 
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Packeteers
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I did read about that... not that a decision was made so any link would be helpful.
I also read that soon all EURO members will abide by same logging standards so
we can expect VPN's that support torrent users to move some servers to
western Europe and/or Scandinavia.

however, one interesting thing I can report after VPN'ing thru
France and Germany is as soon as trackers see you are on a
Leaseweb, they don't bother sniffing your IP anyway, since
they know it's not "you" - then why bother, so still worth €2/mo

Here's my latest speed record while 15/1 on FR.Linkideo;





Zaii

join:2008-09-03
Philadelphia, PA

So, I'm trying out Linkideo now. Speeds are good on the french server however I can't seem to ever connect to the Netherland server.



Packeteers
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here are your choices thus far;
pptp1 fr nl uk usa openvpn {torrent OK}

France seems faster than Germany(Netherlands)
usually what i do is i start with pptp1 and if the
connection is slow, i then try the other two.

I found it odd they allow torrent in France since
they are much tougher about file sharing than
than the Germans are. I emailed support a few
times about this, and they have not responded.

if you decide to drop BTGuard before your Month
ends, be sure to remove any autobilling from your
paypal account. once it expires you will get a few
reminder emails to pay BTGuard - just ignore them.

I finally see how Linkideo wants to be paid...
a week before your month is up they send you
an email with a link that forwards you to paypal.
they don't seem to offer any way to auto pay
or pay for several months in advance... odd
since they end up paying more in commission.


Zaii

join:2008-09-03
Philadelphia, PA

Yeah, I already canceled in paypal. btguard was pretty much unusable for me. Just wish I could get a connection to Netherland server, would just feel better using that one as opposed to the French one. Been using pptp1, it seems that one is France too.



MATA7

join:2005-05-29
Mississauga, ON
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packeteers i want to thank you for you reviews and research, thanks to you i found linkideo im trying for 3 days and is working great, i just need it to watch some Spanish us tv, i got the 2 dollar package, so again thanks



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kudos: are welcome be sure to use VPNetMon with linkideo if you only got the 2€/mo service,
since their PPTP tunnel tends to drop often (between US:FR), about every 3 hours on average.

»forum.hidemyass.com/index.php?/t···p__17494

ironically - the French claim to clamp down on piracy of any French produced content,
but they don't seem to give a crap about people torrenting the rest of the World's stuff.

»extratorrent.com/article/2187/fr···acy.html

a few minor details to add since I last updated this thread;

the DNS for linkideo is often slow to non existence, so instead of using fr.linkideo.com
in your VPN client, I often find it's best to use their static IP which is: 176.31.247.125
don't be alarmed by this; as DNS delisting is a common way ISP's pay lip service to lawyers
seeking to prevent piracy, and is why Pirate Bay is now static IP based; »194.71.107.80/

»www.extremetech.com/internet/130···re-times

I recently found that "Ovh Systems" which is the French Leaseweb type network
that linkideo uses, has been blacklisted as a forum post spammer, so you may find
various specialty forums will not allow you to connect while using fr.linkideo's VPN.

If you wish to pay for linkideo for more than 1 month at a time, after you get your bill
email support to send a new bill for 3 or 6 months and pay that instead of the monthly.
at these low prices, they do not offer any prepaid month quantity discounts.



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Try BolehVPN, you won't be disappointed! I have been using the service for several months, very fast download speed, 24/7, 7 days a week. No downtime or slow down since I signed up 4 months ago. A custom OpenVPN client is used that minimize in the notification area. There are several options connecting to the server, fullyrouted, routes all traffic, proxy is used for individual applications, utorrent, jdownloader, WinSCP, chrome with plugin, even with a 3rd party ios app if you choose. You can also select preferred servers. Anonymous payments is available, logs are not kept, privacy is taken very seriously. I have not experience any issues but the owner/founder is active in the community for support. I was very satisfied with the service, I signed up for a year subscription costing only $7.15 monthly. If you signed up 30 days or more subscription, you get a bonus gift .

»www.bolehvpn.net/index.php
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bimmerdriver

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Here are a couple of interesting posts from torrentfreaks.com about vpns:

»torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-provi···-111007/

»torrentfreak.com/best-vpn-proxy-···-110618/



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both outdated articles, and don't trust that sight with vpn advice since they are the main sponsors.

that's the unfortunate fact of most VPN reviews, even those on DSLR:

»Exploring The Best VPN Providers

This article is part of an effort to solicit paid content from the Broadband Reports community.

UPDATE: I recently upgraded my Linkideo service from PPTP to OpenVPN, and even though I didn't need the extra bandwidth it offers, the stability of an OpenVPN client is infinitely better than PPTP. I'm able to go to bed with a few gig of torrents in my que, and wake up the next morning still connected and all my downloading done - this is what I wanted all along, and now I finally have it just in time for the "Six Strikes" July ISP torrent crackdown. So if you try Linkideo or any PPTP based VPN and were dissatisfied, don't give up on them till you upgrade to their OpenVPN class service. You'll get rock solid performance, without the worry of some proprietary client doing God knows what else with your PC.

One trick I learned from trial and error with VPNs is never max out your connection, so if you have a 1200mbps IPS service, leave about 20% of overhead and set your max download speed on your torrent client throttled at 900mbps - this will increase the stability and consistency of your downloads, while also allowing you to do other things with your PC while you are torrenting such as web browsing and even low res streaming or limited online game play.



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If you're referring to BolehVPN custom Openvpn client, you can use the standard OpenVPN client to connect to the network.
--
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" Edmund Burke



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no Jay, I can't comment on Boleh - I'll leave that up to you.

if you read earlier in this thread i discussed another service
that required 1GB of program libraries to run at all, when
all you should need is a 2MB OpenVPN or near equivalent.
maybe when my service expires I'll give Boleh a try out.
Let us know when they have any under a Month promos.



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I was fortunate to find a VPN service that met my needs on the first try. I also considered several of the vpn service that you mentioned earlier during my search. After reading some comments regarding slow downloads during peak time turned me off on most of them. Bolehvpn is definitely worth a try, I suggest trying a full 30 days trial. The bonus gift makes the service that much better, well worth the extra cost.
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I just switched from Linkideo to Mullvad, and will post a full review once I compile more data, below is just a taste... needless to say Mullvad is my new favorite anonymously paid, *Swedish based, no.logs no.caps no.DNS.leak low.latency OpenVPN 5eu/mo torrent friendly VPN service provider;

MULLVAD




LINKIDEO



* Mullvad billing and correspondence is in Sweden. they have an optional VPN service provider there too. I use their Netherlands based service purely for performance reasons. should EU countries later unify to get tough on torrents, a simple IP change and I'm safely geolocated in Sweden with only a mild performance downgrade.
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