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telcodad

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Re: [STB] Cisco thinking of getting out of the set-top box busin

An item on the Light Reading Cable site tonight with news on iNovo Broadband getting approval for a DOCSIS 3.0 modem & wireless gateway device:

iNovo Makes a Bigger Docsis 3.0 Play
By Jeff Baumgartner, Light Reading Cable - November 27, 2012
»www.lightreading.com/document.as···lr_cable


telcodad

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reply to GTFan

said by GTFan:

said by telcodad:

In this recent blog item on the Multichannel News site, it says that Cisco sees standalone set-top boxes disappearing within about 10 years, but until then, they will remain a key piece of business for them:

Cisco's De Beer: Set-Tops Will Die in a Decade
By Todd Spangler, Multichannel News - September 19, 2012
»www.multichannel.com/blogs/bit-r···e-decade

If the MSOs (including sat and U-Verse) get off their 'we want to own the customer interface' kick and come up with an IP standard for TV delivery, sure. Otherwise, no.

Is this another step in the eventual elimination of the set-top box?

Concurrent Helps Cable Connect to Smart TVs
By Jeff Baumgartner, Light Reading Cable - November 28, 2012
»www.lightreading.com/document.as···lr_cable

Concurrent's press release: »phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zht···=1762452

GTFan

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said by telcodad:

A recent article on the CED Magazine site on the current (poor) experience of searching for what to watch using today's Guide UIs:

Navigation guides yet to take flight
The process of finding what you want to watch on TV continues to be cumbersome.

By Brian Santo, CED Magazine - November 21, 2012
»www.cedmagazine.com/articles/201···e-flight

Search (and UIs in general) on STBs suck because cable has always been too cheap to pay for development, and they're beholden to a huge legacy base of boxes that can't run anything decent. Plus they have little to no incentive to give you search results for anything other than their own products.

Tivo's current integrated search is decent, especially when accessed with the recently discontinued Slide remote (has a built-in slide out keyboard). It's a little slow and is fully integrated only with a few providers like Netflix, but it's better than anything cable has.

Google TV is a good idea but so far pretty crappy implementations, I think the Vizio box is a lot better than the discontinued Logitech Revues. Problem is that no one wants to pay for yet another box to sit between their STB and TV, and big content is still stupid enough to think they should block the devices.

»www.engadget.com/2012/09/19/vizi···-review/

GTFan

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said by telcodad:

said by GTFan:

said by telcodad:

In this recent blog item on the Multichannel News site, it says that Cisco sees standalone set-top boxes disappearing within about 10 years, but until then, they will remain a key piece of business for them:

Cisco's De Beer: Set-Tops Will Die in a Decade
By Todd Spangler, Multichannel News - September 19, 2012
»www.multichannel.com/blogs/bit-r···e-decade

If the MSOs (including sat and U-Verse) get off their 'we want to own the customer interface' kick and come up with an IP standard for TV delivery, sure. Otherwise, no.

Is this another step in the eventual elimination of the set-top box?

Concurrent Helps Cable Connect to Smart TVs
By Jeff Baumgartner, Light Reading Cable - November 28, 2012
»www.lightreading.com/document.as···lr_cable

Concurrent's press release: »phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zht···=1762452

Delivering linear channels over IP should mean defined open access standards so a device maker such as Tivo doesn't have to roll up a new access method for every provider, but that requires a standards-making (or enforcing) body to be there. Given the complete rollover of the FCC to their AllVid proposal, who will that be? It sure as hell shouldn't be CableLabs - this issue goes beyond cable and should involve sat and telco providers as well.

Which again, cries out for FCC involvement to make sure a standard is set and adhered to, but they're nowhere to be found. Again. They don't have to be the creator or maintainer, just the enforcer, same as with CableCard today.

Take a look at this thread, for example - Charter is trying to get a waiver to do an end-run around CableCard with their own proprietary downloadable security. Not an IP issue, but same thing.

»www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/sh···t=496898


telcodad

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The set-top box: the Rasputin of home electronics
By Jim Barthold, FierceIPTV - December 4, 2012
»www.fierceiptv.com/story/set-top···12-12-04

Like Rasputin, the box has been stabbed, shot and poisoned and has suffered sundry other indignities, but it keeps coming back into a spot of honor somewhere in the vicinity of the television set. Perhaps, like Rasputin, the only way to end a set-top box is to drown it; or maybe blow it up.


telcodad

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A report this morning that Google has set a deadline of today to secure bids for Motorola Mobility's Home unit, with ARRIS, Pace and Technicolor expected to be some of the bidders:

Google Sets Deadline for Motorola Home Bids
By Jeff Baumgartner, Light Reading Cable - December 7, 2012
»www.lightreading.com/document.as···lr_cable



telcodad

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said by telcodad:

A report this morning that Google has set a deadline of today to secure bids for Motorola Mobility's Home unit, with ARRIS, Pace and Technicolor expected to be some of the bidders:

Google Sets Deadline for Motorola Home Bids
By Jeff Baumgartner, Light Reading Cable - December 7, 2012
»www.lightreading.com/document.as···lr_cable

As it says in the LRC article:
The TiVo factor
One big question heading into this part of the process is the overhang created by TiVo's pending patent litigation with Motorola, which is taking place in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Texas Texarkana Division.

On Wednesday, the judge in the case, Rodney Gilstrap, issued the claim construction brief, a critical step in which the court interprets the language of TiVo's intellectual property, including TiVo's key Multimedia Time Warping System patent. After that, the parties can either settle or prepare for a court clash that's anticipated to get underway in May 2013.

That overhang is significant because TiVo has been successful in winning court battles or scoring lucrative settlements. It's not yet known how or if Google will factor the pending litigation with TiVo into the terms of a Motorola asset sale, or if it intends to settle the TiVo issue before moving the sales process to its final phases.
Well, then, maybe "if you can't beat them, then eat them" :

TiVo: Time is on Their Side, Google Acquisition Conceivable, Says Janney
By Tiernan Ray, Barron's - December 6, 2012
»blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdail···-janney/


telcodad

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If Google doesn't find a buyer for Motorola Mobility's Home unit before the end of this year, they may then consider breaking up the Home unit and selling it off in piece-part fashion:

Does Google Have a Plan B?
By Jeff Baumgartner, Light Reading Cable - December 7, 2012
»www.lightreading.com/blog.asp?bl···lr_cable



mikedz4

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Could Cisco buy motorola? What would be the best buyer for the motorola cable business? I would like a service to compete with dish hopper and directv genie service.



telcodad

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said by mikedz4:

Could Cisco buy motorola? What would be the best buyer for the motorola cable business? I would like a service to compete with dish hopper and directv genie service.

Actually, given the title of this thread, I don't think Cisco would buy them. Pace seems to be one of the favorites (»www.lightreading.com/blog.asp?bl···lr_cable), but I'd rather see it sold off to another U.S. company like ARRIS.

See:
Could An Arris-Motorola Marriage Work?
By Jeff Baumgartner, Light Reading Cable - November 8, 2012
»www.lightreading.com/blog.asp?bl···lr_cable


mikedz4

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Could one company buy both cisco and motorola's cable units?

Is there any chance of a service like genie or hopper coming to cable?


SpHeRe31459

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said by mikedz4:

Could one company buy both cisco and motorola's cable units?

I don't think that would fly, that would effectively make the combined company a near cable equipment monopoly, so I highly doubt even if something like that were to come about, that it would be allowed.


telcodad

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A sale to ARRIS is now looking more likely:

Google Said to Get Best Bids for Unit from Pace, Arris
By Serena Saitto & Brian Womack, Bloomberg - December 10, 2012
»www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-0···ris.html

and given this reader comment to the LRC article (»www.lightreading.com/blog.asp?bl···46&#msgs ):

Re: While we're speculating...
By sbiller1
Monday December 10, 2012 6:18:12 AM

Now that we've heard from Bloomberg that the two leading bids are from Pace and Arris, I think the answer to your question about Google indemnifying any potential acquirer to the litigation risk associated with the TiVo suit seems plausible. Pace has a market cap of close to $500 million making it a stretch for me to see how they can swallow the Moto business without significant financing from Google. Arris' 1.6 billion market cap seems more in-line with the numbers being reported. An interesting side-effect of the Pace rumor is they already have a deal with TiVo. Perhaps the deal already includes a baked-in settlement (credit?) with TiVo for past infringement, etc.


telcodad

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An article on the Light Reading Cable site this afternoon with more info on the bids:

Pace Bids For Motorola Home
By Jeff Baumgartner, Light Reading Cable - December 10, 2012
»www.lightreading.com/document.as···lr_cable

Also on the Multichannel News site: »www.multichannel.com/technology/···t/140651



telcodad

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Pace says it wants Motorola
Set-top box maker confirms it offered 'indicative, non-binding bid' to Google

By Jim Barthold, FierceIPTV - December 11, 2012
»www.fierceiptv.com/story/pace-sa···12-12-11



telcodad

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Well, this could be a first step in Cisco selling off its set-top unit:

Cisco Said to Hire Barclays to Sell Linksys Division
By Serena Saitto & Jordan Robertson, Bloomberg - December 16, 2012
»www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-1···ion.html

From the article:

Cisco wants to sell Linksys as part of its strategy to exit consumer businesses while expanding in corporate software and technology services. Chief Executive Officer John Chambers eliminated 7,800 jobs over the past year and closed businesses such as the Flip video-camera unit amid a slowdown in sales growth after a foray into consumer technologies backfired.

In addition to Linksys, Cisco also operates in the home market with its Scientific Atlanta set-top-box unit and with NDS Group Ltd., a software maker for paid-television channels used by British Sky Broadcasting Group, Canal Plus and DirecTV. Cisco bought NDS in July for $5 billion.


mikedz4

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why would they sell the highly successful cisco router business?



telcodad

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said by mikedz4:

why would they sell the highly successful cisco router business?

They are only looking to sell the consumer router part (i.e., Linksys), not their corporate/enterprise router one. As the article says: "Cisco wants to sell Linksys as part of its strategy to exit consumer businesses while expanding in corporate software and technology services."

SpHeRe31459

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reply to mikedz4

said by mikedz4:

why would they sell the highly successful cisco router business?

Easy, to Cisco, Linksys is just a piddly little product line that is sold for cheap (since it's a home user product line that competes in the highly competitive, and discounted, SOHO market). Cisco has a highly successful AND profitable product line already, they did before they acquired Linksys... it's their enterprise class network equipment, it's a defacto standard for enterprise networks. Hell Cisco equipment pretty much runs the Internet as we know it....

SpHeRe31459

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said by telcodad:

A sale to ARRIS is now looking more likely:

Google Said to Get Best Bids for Unit from Pace, Arris
By Serena Saitto & Brian Womack, Bloomberg - December 10, 2012
»www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-0···ris.html

and given this reader comment to the LRC article (»www.lightreading.com/blog.asp?bl···46&#msgs ):

Re: While we're speculating...
By sbiller1
Monday December 10, 2012 6:18:12 AM

Now that we've heard from Bloomberg that the two leading bids are from Pace and Arris, I think the answer to your question about Google indemnifying any potential acquirer to the litigation risk associated with the TiVo suit seems plausible. Pace has a market cap of close to $500 million making it a stretch for me to see how they can swallow the Moto business without significant financing from Google. Arris' 1.6 billion market cap seems more in-line with the numbers being reported. An interesting side-effect of the Pace rumor is they already have a deal with TiVo. Perhaps the deal already includes a baked-in settlement (credit?) with TiVo for past infringement, etc.

Looks like Arris officially got Motorola's cable division. Surprised it's not on the front page...

»www.engadget.com/2012/12/19/goog···e-arris/

quote:
Ever since Google announced it would acquire Motorola Mobility last year there have been questions about what it would do with the company's large internet and TV set-top box business, and now that question has been answered: it's selling Motorola Home to Arris for $2.35 billion in cash and stock. Another maker of cable boxes and modems, Arris says the acquisition will both increase its product offering, and increase its patent portfolio thanks to a license to "a wide array" of Motorola Mobility patents. The transaction has been approved by the boards of both companies, and they expect the deal to close in Q2 2013.
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