|reply to G Orwell |
Re: Bill C-30. Big Brother is here.
Bill C-30 Violation of Every Canadian's Privacy! I have been hearing a lot of people going on about this. I personally don't have a problem with it. I also don't have a problem with cameras on every corner of every street. When you consider what it would take to monitor 30,000,000 Canadians, the logistics are staggering even with modern technology. Considering that some people have 2 desktops, a laptop, an Ipad and 1,2 telephones, the number jumps to well over 100 million devices minimum. The intent is to use it to go after criminals, terrorists, child porn perverts, etc.. Yes I do understand that it could be misused. To those who say hackers might get into the system and steal info, you don't understand that they are capable of doing that without using this system, if you don't think so, you underestimate them. They have already proven that they can get into the most secure systems on the planet. Now as for misuse, the possibility does exist, but considering their focus would be on catching criminals, the collateral damage would be minimal to the general public. What I want to know from those who get all wound up about this is, "What in the F**K are you doing online or on the F**king streets that has you so paranoid about these things, that you think you're worth their interest. They will not even be able to keep up with their investigations of criminals, let alone you. Do you think that you are sooo important, that they are coming after you. Get over it! Our paranoia and self importance is one of the flaws with the human creature. And if I hear one more idiot citing Orwell's 1984 who hasn't even read the book, I will have to kill them. Gee, maybe I shouldn't have said that! They may be coming after me!
Your also an uninformed person.They have the tech and the space and the people to do it now.Will it be misused?Yep.When?Within days or hours but not by hackers but by cops themselves or bureaucrats.They have done it for years and will continue as they have
|reply to big Alcide |
May be something like this when taken to the extreme: »tj.facinghistory.org/reading/eas···E2%80%9D
>The Stasi were East Germany's secret police force. They used spy tactics like wiretapping to monitor East Germans suspected of anti-government activities. They used interrogation techniques such as sleep deprivation to force ordinary citizens to confess to actions they may or many not have taken, or to inform on friends, neighbors and even family members.
>In 1989, an astonishing 173,000 East Germans were employed by the Stasi as informants.1 Journalist Steve Rosenberg of BBC News wrote, "Some calculations have concluded that in East Germany there was one informer to every seven citizens."2 In light of this history, how can trust be restored among people who were betrayed by their government and by each other?
Remember that they don't need to actually spy on everybody. They just need to spy on enough and make you think that they are watching you 24/7. With technology, they can record, filter and watch later etc. and we all know how (un)reliable those keyword filters works for resume scanning...
|reply to big Alcide |
If the bill was really about catching e-abusers of children, I wouldn't have a problem. Fact is that:
1) the bills title is misleading, the word "child" doesn't appear anywhere in the document except the title;
2) it's a dangerous precedent to authorize invading individuals' rights without a warrant;
3) the bill is easy to abuse for other goals, like piracy of copyrighted software/movies/music. I fear that eventually authorities will just hog random information until they accumulated enough to make you look guilty of something you didn't actually do.
And that's just my couple of concerns, I'm sure other people will have enough stuff to make the list a lot longer.
|reply to Ott_Cable |
We are not a dictatorship and it is more likely to happen in the US than Canada. I was getting tired of "Its just like Orwell's 1984". This is not Oceania and my last name is not Smith. PCs are not the Inner Party and Harper is not Ingsa, even if minor comparisons can be drawn. Vive le Outer Party. PS> Its not like the Liberals haven't made an attempt at our privacy.
|reply to Jurjen |
I am bothered by the fact that companies are, in a sense, already rummaging through your things and watching/ listening/reading who you interact with. Your information is being passed around faster than Paris Hilton at a Beverly Hills party. You just have to have a Hotmail account to see that. Your Hotmail is filled with inmail that uses familiar names and product names that we use and are from companies we have never dealt with. Example: Hi! Its Winston Smith. I have gotten many like that using names of my friends from Facebook and Hotmail, as well as other companies you've dealt with selling your info to other companies. At least the government is asking permission (in theory are only after criminals), but companies with personal agendas(some political) ,have carte blanche to do as they please. We should be more weary of them than the government. There are checks and balances for the government. There have been a few cases in the news where this is evident and the victims vindicated or compensated.
|reply to big Alcide |
said by big Alcide :None of your F'n business... is the point
What I want to know from those who get all wound up about this is, "What in the F**K are you doing online or on the F**king streets that has you so paranoid about these things