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reply to corster

Re: [Serious] VIA Train Derailment at Burlington

said by corster:

Sitting on the train to Ottawa streaming this on CP24. surreal.

I'm streaming from the front of the same train. Did you just hear that noise......

jfmezei
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Anyone know what type of equipment was used in the crash ?
LRC or the Renaissance equipment ?

As a result of the MTS-Acanac appeal to federal court for UBB in 2009, I got a brick from Bell which contained a whole brick of various causes, one of which was about the VIA renaissance equipment. These coaches were not built to north american crash standards.

However, I think LRCs are more commonly used south of Toronto.

jfmezei
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UPDATE: Looked at the CBC web site.

It ls LRC equipment involved.


corster
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Based on what i'm seeing on TV it's a LRC train.


DKS
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said by jfmezei:

UPDATE: Looked at the CBC web site.

It ls LRC equipment involved.

EMS is paying attention to the engine. Perhaps someone is trapped.
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jfmezei
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Engine is turned over to the side. FP40 if I am not mistaken. Seems to have hit some some of structure. So it may have travelled off tracks for some distance.


DKS
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Yes. It's an FP40. The car immediately behind would have been VIA 1 class.
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jfmezei
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One of the pictures shows the last car well off the tracks and it does appear that the whole train went through a building except for the last car.

Hopefully this consist will not contain any of the newly rebuilt LRC cars (rebuilt in New brunswick).

jfmezei
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They would pay attention to the engine because of the fuel in it which could cause quite a bit of a fire. Fuel is in tanks under the engine.

BTW, after the Brighton accident many years ago, many any flaws had been found with safety at VIA and on LRC cars and VIA made a number of modifications to the cars and to personel training.

Will be interesting to see the TSB report on this in a few years to see how the equipment and crew faired after the crash.

Anyone know the exact position of the crash ?

telco_mtl

join:2012-01-06
reply to jfmezei
said by jfmezei:

Anyone know what type of equipment was used in the crash ?
LRC or the Renaissance equipment ?

As a result of the MTS-Acanac appeal to federal court for UBB in 2009, I got a brick from Bell which contained a whole brick of various causes, one of which was about the VIA renaissance equipment. These coaches were not built to north american crash standards.

However, I think LRCs are more commonly used south of Toronto.

yes, thats why they have a spacer car on the renaissance trains behind the loco and they used to hang a dome car on the rear of the chaleur.


corster
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said by jfmezei:

Anyone know the exact position of the crash ?

Don't have the exact position but it's near the QEW-403 Junction, apparently behind the IKEA store.


DKS
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said by jfmezei:

They would pay attention to the engine because of the fuel in it which could cause quite a bit of a fire. Fuel is in tanks under the engine.

There is zero attention being paid to the fuel tanks. Look at the CTV helicopter video. Attention is being paid to the cab.

Anyone know the exact position of the crash ?

Red dot above marks the crash. Plains Rd/King Rd. area.
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grrr
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reply to corster
said by corster:

said by jfmezei:

Anyone know the exact position of the crash ?

Don't have the exact position but it's near the QEW-403 Junction, apparently behind the IKEA store.

»g.co/maps/2wwdk
Right here.

jfmezei
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The baggage car exists as a converter for the north american coupling at the locomotive and the british couplings on the renaissance cars as well as converting the "hotel" power generated by the locomotive to the voltage used by those cars.

What the TSB had found is that the renaissance cars had insufficient crumpling zones, so VIA was forced to convert seats and a toilet to luggage storage at one end of the car because if someone was in that zone during and accident they would be crushed.

(There were a whole bunch other problems)

LRCs had their teething problems during the first 6-7 years of the 1980s after which they started to become more reliable.


corster
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said by jfmezei:

What the TSB had found is that the renaissance cars had insufficient crumpling zones, so VIA was forced to convert seats and a toilet to luggage storage at one end of the car because if someone was in that zone during and accident they would be crushed.

Very comforting. I'm sitting directly next to the luggage storage area on my car. :P

jfmezei
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King street crossing
My friend Mr Google tells me it is a level crossing of 4 tracks at King street. Ouch. And this would have been just before the train derailed.

telco_mtl

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reply to jfmezei
said by jfmezei:

The baggage car exists as a converter for the north american coupling at the locomotive and the british couplings on the renaissance cars as well as converting the "hotel" power generated by the locomotive to the voltage used by those cars.

What the TSB had found is that the renaissance cars had insufficient crumpling zones, so VIA was forced to convert seats and a toilet to luggage storage at one end of the car because if someone was in that zone during and accident they would be crushed.

(There were a whole bunch other problems)

LRCs had their teething problems during the first 6-7 years of the 1980s after which they started to become more reliable.

they problems included:
wool upolstery (allergies)
frozen folding steps(interesting procedure in winter, unload on the high platforms at central station montreal, then thaw the whole train in the psc shops

jfmezei
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said by corster:

Very comforting. I'm sitting directly next to the luggage storage area on my car. :P

That was for the Renaissance cars only. LRC cards were built to north american standards, and at one end, you have the vestibule and galley before first seats, and in the back, you have vestibule and toilets before first seats.

telco_mtl

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said by jfmezei:

said by corster:

Very comforting. I'm sitting directly next to the luggage storage area on my car. :P

That was for the Renaissance cars only. LRC cards were built to north american standards, and at one end, you have the vestibule and galley before first seats, and in the back, you have vestibule and toilets before first seats.

few people realize amtrak had 2 LRC locos and a few coaches (which ended up with VIA) the locos that were owned by amtrak still sit at CAD in ville st pierre quebec

jfmezei
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Amtrak had very early and very faulty LRCs with modificatiosn from the bombardier designs in the locos required by amtrak but which ruined the locos' reliability. They didn't last long in service with Amtrak.

BTW, looking at street view, there is switch just north-east of Kind street crossing between the 2 main tracks in the middle. The 2 tracks on the side seem to be sidings because the crossing at King was not upgraded to rubber carpet between tracks.

But the train appears to be totally off those 4 tracks so if it was travelling on the middle 2 tracks, it means that it really jumped the tracks.