how close can a cell tower be to a house? - Home Improvement

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AVD Respice, Adspice, Prospice Premium join:2003-02-06 Onion, NJ kudos:1	reply to cowboyro Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house? said by cowboyro: I agree. Some claim that electrical wires from a house also radiate. True, but there is no comparison to RF. Any wire that carries AC current creates RF. Shielded cable might shield it, but all conductors with an electric current that changes emit EM radiation. -- --Standard disclaimers apply.-- google this "(sqrt(cos(x))cos(200x)+sqrt(abs(x))-0.7)(4-xx)^0.01, sqrt(9-x^2), -sqrt(9-x^2)"
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cowboyro join:2000-10-11 Shelton, CT Reviews: ·AT&T U-Verse	said by AVD: Any wire that carries AC current creates RF. Shielded cable might shield it, but all conductors with an electric current that changes emit EM radiation. Only the amount is insignificant since: 1 - the length of the circuit is insignificant compared to the wavelength 2 - there are 2 conductors carrying current in opposing directions effectively canceling the field. For all practical purposes the field generated is 0.
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itguy05 join:2005-06-17 Carlisle, PA	reply to macsierra said by macsierra: In the Sierras they have been installing cell phone towers that look just like fir trees. In fact it's hard to tell the difference from 500' or so away. Only if you're blind to the tree cell towers not look ridiculous. Most have no "branches" anywhere but the top. When was the last time you saw a tree that looked like that?
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AVD Respice, Adspice, Prospice Premium join:2003-02-06 Onion, NJ kudos:1	reply to cowboyro said by cowboyro: [ 2 - there are 2 conductors carrying current in opposing directions effectively canceling the field. I don't think it works like that. -- --Standard disclaimers apply.-- google this "(sqrt(cos(x))cos(200x)+sqrt(abs(x))-0.7)(4-xx)^0.01, sqrt(9-x^2), -sqrt(9-x^2)"
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fifty nine join:2002-09-25 Sussex, NJ kudos:2	reply to cowboyro said by cowboyro: said by AVD: Any wire that carries AC current creates RF. Shielded cable might shield it, but all conductors with an electric current that changes emit EM radiation. Only the amount is insignificant since: 1 - the length of the circuit is insignificant compared to the wavelength 2 - there are 2 conductors carrying current in opposing directions effectively canceling the field. For all practical purposes the field generated is 0. Take the input to any audio amplifier, and attach a small piece of wire or even your finger and touch it. The 'hummmmmmm' you hear is radiation from the AC powerline.
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cowboyro join:2000-10-11 Shelton, CT Reviews: ·AT&T U-Verse	reply to AVD said by AVD: said by cowboyro: [ 2 - there are 2 conductors carrying current in opposing directions effectively canceling the field. I don't think it works like that. What you "think" doesn't matter as it's wrong.
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cowboyro join:2000-10-11 Shelton, CT Reviews: ·AT&T U-Verse	reply to fifty nine said by fifty nine: Take the input to any audio amplifier, and attach a small piece of wire or even your finger and touch it. The 'hummmmmmm' you hear is radiation from the AC powerline. It's capacitive coupling. Not to be confused with electromagnetic radiation. If you unplug all loads from a house the measured active power is pretty much the amount of power radiated. Zero. If any significant amount of energy would be radiated then a GFI would trip instantly.
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macsierra Baby Newfoundland Premium join:2003-11-30 Minden, NV Reviews: ·Charter	reply to itguy05 said by itguy05: said by macsierra: In the Sierras they have been installing cell phone towers that look just like fir trees. In fact it's hard to tell the difference from 500' or so away. Only if you're blind to the tree cell towers not look ridiculous. Most have no "branches" anywhere but the top. When was the last time you saw a tree that looked like that? When was the last time you looked at a bare shiny cell phone tower with dangling wires? Of course only if you're blind or ignorant can you not see the improved difference between an ugly cell phone tower and a fake tree.. I'll take the fake tree.. -- Jimmy Hoffa’s dad was the last shovel-ready job.. Will Rodgers never met Harry Reid.. Why was I Anti-Obama before it was cool? Saul Alinsky was also a community organizer & Marxist..
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itguy05 join:2005-06-17 Carlisle, PA	said by macsierra: When was the last time you looked at a bare shiny cell phone tower with dangling wires? Of course only if you're blind or ignorant can you not see the improved difference between an ugly cell phone tower and a fake tree.. I'll take the fake tree.. Why just the other day when we were at the state park. There's one nearby. And just the other day for the couple that are in our neighborhood area. Doesn't bother me at all. I'd rather it be a cell tower that blends in like the power lines, telephone poles, billboards, and other infrastructure. Nothing worse than an eyesore fake looking tree that's taller (by a lot) than any other tree, bare except the tops, and generally draws more attention to the fact it doesn't belong. Go out the PA turnpike and there's one on some farmer's land that looks like a grain silo. Except there is no supporting infrastructure around to make it look believable. Just a "silo" in the far corner of his farm near the turnpike. I do like the flagpole ones as they are bigger than a flagpole but do blend in quite well.
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macsierra Baby Newfoundland Premium join:2003-11-30 Minden, NV Reviews: ·Charter	said by itguy05: I'd rather it be a cell tower that blends in like the power lines, telephone poles, billboards, and other infrastructure. Surly you have to ask yourself why cities are spending billions to underground power lines, telephone lines and move billboards away from roadways? It's not because they blend in, is it?
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tmh @windstream.net	reply to DonLibes said by DonLibes: Our neighborhood has recently been invaded by what appear to be cell antennas that are really close to homes as you can tell by the example pic. I bet you have great reception. You almost won't need a battery to get a signal 8).
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Flummoxed Premium join:2002-01-24 Saint Peters, MO	reply to nunya said by nunya: They (Clear) put several of those stupid tree towers by my house. Those are the most ridiculous things I've ever seen! In no way, shape, or form do they blend in with the MO/IL landscape. A simple monopole tower would be less of an eyesore than these. LOL I remember when those tree towers popped up. I normally don't pay attention to the skyline while driving down Mexico Rd. but it was so out of place it caught my eye.
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itguy05 join:2005-06-17 Carlisle, PA	reply to macsierra said by macsierra: said by itguy05: I'd rather it be a cell tower that blends in like the power lines, telephone poles, billboards, and other infrastructure. Surly you have to ask yourself why cities are spending billions to underground power lines, telephone lines and move billboards away from roadways? It's not because they blend in, is it? Must be different out in NV as I've noticed more billboards here in Central PA. If nothing else they are replacing the standard ones with the electronic ones. And the power lines, etc is simple - outages are less underground because they are not subject to drunk drivers, wind, etc. But around here they are not going around and replacing the above ground utilities with underground ones. New developments get underground while those of us in older ones stick with the poles. The downside to underground is when an outage happens they tend to be longer as it's not obvious where the issue is and digging takes longer.
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49528867 Premium join:2010-04-16 Fort Lauderdale, FL kudos:3	reply to AVD said by AVD: said by cowboyro: [2 - there are 2 conductors carrying current in opposing directions effectively canceling the field. I don't think it works like that. You might not think it does, but the reality of it is, cowboyro is quite correct. The primary factor required in order to generate a decent amount of a radiated signal, canceling excluded, is one needs a radiator tuned to the to the frequency to be radiated, which for a 60Hz quarter wave antenna is roughly 4 million feet, and unless you are dealing with a rather large structure I am willing to bet that is probably not going to be found in a straight run. Wayne -- "It is sobering to reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence." - Charles A. Beard
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AVD Respice, Adspice, Prospice Premium join:2003-02-06 Onion, NJ kudos:1	I'm talking about how a circuit cancels each other out. and yet my AM radio picks up 60hz hums all the time.
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aannoonn @optonline.net	reply to AVD said by AVD: said by cowboyro: Some claim that electrical wires from a house also radiate. True, but there is no comparison to RF. Any wire that carries AC current creates RF. Shielded cable might shield it, but all conductors with an electric current that changes emit EM radiation. You don't get "RF" from a 60 Hz wire. 60 Hz is not RF. RF is defined as starting at 3 kHz. For any frequency (even DC), the electric field is proportional to the voltage. The magnetic field is proportional to the current. So you get an electric field from house wiring even if everything is unplugged and there is no current flowing.
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macsierra Baby Newfoundland Premium join:2003-11-30 Minden, NV Reviews: ·Charter	reply to itguy05 said by itguy05: New developments get underground while those of us in older ones stick with the poles. The downside to underground is when an outage happens they tend to be longer as it's not obvious where the issue is and digging takes longer. We have some underground primary lines at Tahoe that went in mid 1960's. A good friend of mine has the contract to replace a portion on them in the wet areas of town. They were supposed to start last year but water leakage into the conduit has kept them busy doing emergency repairs just to keep folks supplied with electricity.. -- Jimmy Hoffa’s dad was the last shovel-ready job.. Will Rodgers never met Harry Reid.. Why was I Anti-Obama before it was cool? Saul Alinsky was also a community organizer & Marxist..
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ArgMeMatey join:2001-08-09 Milwaukee, WI kudos:1 Reviews: ·RoadRunner Cable ·AT&T Midwest ·voip.ms	reply to DonLibes said by DonLibes: I wish I could say precisely which company we are dealing with but depending upon which papers we look at or who we speak to, the names are either: NewPath or NextGen or Crown Castle. Evidently, they're related somehow. (And AT&T is involved as well although perhaps only as an initial user of the infrastructure - this is still unclear.) Suggestions? Isn't there an FCC online database where you can check licenses for a specified geographic area? I don't know specifically what has to be filed to support license applications, and what is disclosed to the public, but there might be some more info on record, if in fact this required a license. -- USNG: 16TDN2870 Find your USNG coordinates: USNGWeb
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cowboyro join:2000-10-11 Shelton, CT Reviews: ·AT&T U-Verse	reply to AVD said by AVD: I'm talking about how a circuit cancels each other out. and yet my AM radio picks up 60hz hums all the time. The AM radio is capable of picking up signals well below 1uV/m An AM radio is also capable of picking a noise from a common electronic wrist watch.
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r81984 Fair and Balanced Premium join:2001-11-14 Katy, TX Reviews: ·row44 ·AT&T U-Verse ·AT&T DSL Service	reply to DonLibes health risk = 0 Now it is pretty tacky to have cell towers inside a housing development, but so are telephone poles. I dont see why this matters when the antennas are streamlined with the ugly telephone poles. If you had buried lines then yes homeowners should be outraged if the erected a pole and stuck an antenna on top. -- ...brought to you by Carl's Jr.
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