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Re: Apple iPads in Business Environments If you have a Mac and buy Lion Server for $49, you can have some control over them using the built in Mobile Device Management. I've seen it demoed and you can lock the iPads down to the point where users can't install apps, can't delete apps, can't go on YouTube or use the cameras. You can also remotely wipe the device or reset the passcode if one gets set. And I guess they recently added the ability to push apps wirelessly from MDM.
They're still a hassle to setup and "image" since iTunes was designed as a media player/organizer and not an enterprise imaging and management system. |
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 The Dv8orJust call me Dong Suck Oh, M.D.Premium
join:2001-08-09
Denver, CO | reply to howardfine
said by howardfine:said by The Dv8or:One of the biggest reasons employees want an iPad is because they want another toy, especially one they dont have to pay for. Many people say they want it for increased mobility, lighter device, and this and that. They preach how it will completely replace their desktop. They wind up carrying both, and the iPad is relegated to what they use to watch movies on the train ride home. Talk about absolute and inaccurate statements! quote:
Im not saying all iPad users end up this way. There are many iPad deployments that are incredibly effective.
So we can ignore everything you just said? quote:
However, it's easy to throw out the "I want an iPad" catalyst, and say they'll use it for this and that, and it winds up being a company-funded personal entertainment device.
Another absolute and inaccurate statement where you are presuming something to be true when, in fact, it's not. As I already pointed out, a customer of mine has ordered 10k of these for their employees. It's a large financial institution and you can bet they will not be used for entertainment purposes and they do not consider them toys. In fact, I use one for demos to my customers. We put together agreements and sketch outlines, too. It's very much a business tool for me even though I do watch Netflix on it in bed at night. For my purposes, I find it far more portable and usable than a notebook. quote:
Finally, to address your other statement about Macs... Macs and iPads are two different worlds. Just because theyre made by the same company does not mean the same philosophies apply.
Yes but large corporations have had the "Windows only" environment for years and it goes to show they are becoming more flexible and knowledgeable and expanding the tools they are interested in. Ah yes, the ol' "let's take a statement, break it down into individual quotes that are COMPLETELY out of context, and criticize what ends up being completely different thoughts" trick. I hear political bloggers do this daily.
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 dscl
join:2001-07-15
Suwanee, GA | reply to GlazedHam
Good place to start:
»www.apple.com/ipad/business/integration/ |
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 JollyStomperThe Funky Feel OnePremium
join:2003-03-16
Level 15 | reply to GlazedHam
said by GlazedHam:The time has come where many of my end users are now demanding an Apple iPad so that they can take it with them outside of the office for note taking and checking of email I guess. They have seen another consultant of ours using an iPad with an app that lets them write on the screen with a stylus and converts the written notes to a text note for them afterwards. With trying to hold off with not wanting to implement iPad’s, is there any reasons for me to not allow them to be purchased? Even if the company purchases these toys, how does IT manage them these days? Should we be concerned about virus software or malware software? What about security on them? Please let me know what you are all doing in this situation now.
I am facing this situation right now at my place of employment. We are about to perform a hardware refresh and are replacing our current blackberry fleet with iPhones with a few iPads in the mix.
I have been dealing with "gadget envy" for the past three years now. I have seen and heard it all, to the point where some users would intentionally abuse/lose a device just to get an upgrade (they get snuffed quickly around here for that).
The key here is to have a concrete, enforceable process/policy in place that everyone can understand and realize the consequences of any violations (including and especially upper management and executive-level personnel).
Next, of course, is to determine the actual need of such devices (what is the job function of the user? Does it require the use of such "smart-devices" or "tablets", or can it all be done just fine with a laptop and an aircard or cellphone)?
Next would be how to secure and control such devices (a really major piece, since administration can/will be a potential nightmare). We are test-driving a couple of applications along that line: Zenprise MobileManager and Airwatch Mobile Device Management.
»www.zenprise.com/products/zenpri···emanager
»www.air-watch.com/?gclid=CKbjsLa···odNlT0BA
Both products have the capability to push custom (see: work-related) policies (apps, e-mail configurations, etc) to devices as well as remote-wipe in the event of a lost or stolen device.
I think "Good" is another application (more Apple/iOS-leaning), but I hear airwatch is also good with apple devices (as well as android). Again, we're just in the test-drive phase.
Hope some of the above info is useful...
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iOS devices (iPhone, iPad, iPod touch) can be locked down fairly tight. Your IT department can install profiles on the device that restrict the ability to sign into the iTunes store, install apps, browse the internet, preconfigure internal VPN, setup exchange email, etc. iPhone profiles is just like group policy in Windows. »www.apple.com/iphone/business/resources/
There's also a company called Good Technology that sells the equivalent of Blackberry Enterprise for Android and iOS. You install the Good app on your iPhone and it works just like BlackBerry Enterprise for your IT guy. www.good.com
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 smunro622Premium
join:2006-02-15
Madison Heights, MI | reply to GlazedHam
sounds like company IT and IT security policies need to mature, no has ever mentioned about DLP and how to stop the data from leaving the corp network. Ipads and iphones do have a place in the corp IT world. You also need to consider full disk encryption on these devices also due to theft/loss. I dont know how many times i read in a month how many these are loss. |
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rugbyI think I know it all.VIP
join:2000-09-26
Plainfield, IN | reply to GlazedHam
Listen to Mike, he knows what he's talking about. Whining about how your employees got around your half-assed deployments isn't going to get you anywhere. Use a REAL MDM like MobileIron and lock them down. |
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My budget was slashed and now i get 1/4 of what we had.
A mac Lion server and licensing for the apple tools are out of the question for us for now. So This is basically a no go for us, until we can get some budget anyway.
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join:2003-02-05
Appleton, WI
kudos:1 | reply to GlazedHam
This might interest you. I recently attended a Citrix Tech Exchange and found out about this. Very cool. This allows you to control what gets put on the devices, remove remotely, wipe and lots of other stuff.
»www.wyse.com/products/software/m···ment/EMM |
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OHN
join:2003-02-05
Appleton, WI
kudos:1 | reply to The Dv8or
Some users can use their iPad or iPhone to connect to office virtual machines. If I could replace having to carry my laptop everyday to and from work with an iPad, I would jump on it. |
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Toys?
Yep, I have to agree with that.
Dave |
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said by BosstonesOwn:We have roughly 300floating in our company , they are a security nightmare.
This about sums it up.
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 DarkLogixTexan and ProudPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | reply to The Dv8or
said by The Dv8or:said by howardfine:There are no reasons not to allow iPads in a business environment. This is a very absolute, and very inaccurate, statement. One of the biggest reasons employees want an iPad is because they want another toy, especially one they dont have to pay for. Many people say they want it for increased mobility, lighter device, and this and that. They preach how it will completely replace their desktop. They wind up carrying both, and the iPad is relegated to what they use to watch movies on the train ride home. Im not saying all iPad users end up this way. There are many iPad deployments that are incredibly effective. However, it's easy to throw out the "I want an iPad" catalyst, and say they'll use it for this and that, and it winds up being a company-funded personal entertainment device. Finally, to address your other statement about Macs... Macs and iPads are two different worlds. Just because theyre made by the same company does not mean the same philosophies apply. Agreed, where I work some high ups wanted some ipads, so they got them and have yet to find any practial business use so they just use them for toys
theres even one that keeps getting passed umong people to look for a practical use, sure some businesses do have a use for them but others don't |
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DarkLogixTexan and ProudPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | reply to drew
said by drew:You can wipe iOS devices when they're tied to Exchange, just so everyone knows...
One thing I've wondered but not tested is does the exch wipe of iOS devices wipe everything and set it to factory default or just wipe the exch data? |
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DarkLogixTexan and ProudPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | reply to Nightfall
said by Nightfall:said by BosstonesOwn:haha thats a good one. We are never getting off Notes.
I know a couple other companies in your shoes. They have Notes and want to go to Exchange, yet they can't do it for one reason or another. Its sad, but it happens. Aint it the truth |
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join:2001-05-13
Ohio | reply to GlazedHam
»www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/20···gurator/
"Apple Sneaks Out Free Tool for Deploying iPad Army" |
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mikefxu
join:2004-10-05
Titusville, FL
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I am most productive on a desktop, then from there it is a laptop, after that its unproductive touch devices. I agree iPads are toys. Yes they can be business tools but they cannot justify their purchase and maintenance cost. I can buy a decent desktop computer with a 23-24" monitor and Win7Pro for what an iPad cost, the cost benefit equation makes the iPad about worthless. The only redeeming quality of iPhones are their Exchange integration. People are gay for their iDevices. I really like my android devices but I don't want to have a relationship with them. The iDevice is the new BMW/Lexus/etc of the middle class world. People feel inadequate if they don't posses a iDevice. |
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| said by mikefxu:I agree iPads are toys. Yes they can be business tools So they're not toys?
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but they cannot justify their purchase and maintenance cost.
You have a source for this?
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I can buy a decent desktop computer with a 23-24" monitor and Win7Pro for what an iPad cost, the cost benefit equation makes the iPad about worthless.
I can, and did, write email, attaching docs and images, while riding in a car. The desktop computer was worthless cause I couldn't find a power plug for it. And then I had to get out of the car and walk right into a meeting where I showed the results of the doc.
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The only redeeming quality of iPhones are their Exchange integration.
Which a LOT of people find to be a HUGE advantage! quote:
People are gay for their iDevices. I really like my android devices but I don't want to have a relationship with them.
I know people who do so I guess people are "gay" for Androids, too. |
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Ooh what's next a racial slur for an affinity for office microwaved popcorn?
»help.apple.com/configurator/mac/1.0/
Apple really never meant for these things to become popular in business.. it just kind of happened. The complete lack of both server hardware and supporting software is evident to this.
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Apple has a new tool for those who manage a herd of iPads or iPhones for schools or small businesses, a free Mac app aimed at making life easier for iOS-focused IT staff. Called Configurator, it allows admins to "mass configure and deploy iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch," 30 devices at a time.
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