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TheHelpful1
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join:2002-01-11
Upper Marlboro, MD

Regulations

I say if any company uses the word 'meter' or 'usage based billing' then their actions should be regulated by the government.
Water and electricity have meters and if the ISP's / wireless carriers want to push everyone to usage based billing instead of being dumb pipes charging a flat fee for access, then they should be swept under the same umbrella.
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"My weakness is that I care too much"

25139889

join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH
and by doing that your bill goes up due to taxes

MaynardKrebs
Heave Steve, for the good of the country
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join:2009-06-17
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said by 25139889:

and by doing that your bill goes up due to taxes

The taxes would be less than the raping the carriers would do to you if the FCC loses.

gorehound

join:2009-06-19
Portland, ME
reply to TheHelpful1
I want protection against the Greedy Telecoms !!!


vpoko
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join:2003-07-03
Boston, MA
reply to 25139889
Yup, regulation has a cost, which is why it should only be done where necessary, like ensuring proper metering. What if the gas pump wasn't inspected and sealed? You'd get half a gallon every time you thought you were getting a gallon. Is the price of regulation worth it there?

openbox9
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join:2004-01-26
Germany
kudos:2
reply to TheHelpful1
said by TheHelpful1:

I say if any company uses the word 'meter' or 'usage based billing' then their actions should be regulated by the government.

Why distinguish between metered and un-metered? What changes with the relationship between an ISP and its customer if service is metered or not?

25139889

join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH
reply to MaynardKrebs
and you know this how? Should we look at the taxes and fees that are on a landline telephone? You can get a barebones dial tone for ~$15 in most areas. Add taxes and fees to that line and its easily $35.

My grandmother has ATT and had them back when they went from ATT to Ohio Bell- she has 100minutes of LD a month, and call waiting, unlimited local calls- her phone bill is $60 AFTER taxes and fees. BEFORE taxes and fees (that everyone wants due to regulation) the phone bill is only about $40. you tell me what good regulation does for her?

25139889

join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH
reply to vpoko
yah it is. but comparing gas to the actual Internet meters is not the same thing. That can be checked very easily. you can NOT do the same with the Internet due to pings and such coming into that modem. And we all know if the ISPs started blocking that people would be on here bitching up a storm and the oh mighty blogger would be having a fit and crying for a gov't take over of all ISPs


vpoko
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join:2003-07-03
Boston, MA
reply to openbox9
said by openbox9:

Why distinguish between metered and un-metered? What changes with the relationship between an ISP and its customer if service is metered or not?

The fact that the metering must be accurate if the price of service is to be based on it.


vpoko
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join:2003-07-03
Boston, MA
reply to 25139889
said by 25139889:

yah it is. but comparing gas to the actual Internet meters is not the same thing. That can be checked very easily. you can NOT do the same with the Internet due to pings and such coming into that modem. And we all know if the ISPs started blocking that people would be on here bitching up a storm and the oh mighty blogger would be having a fit and crying for a gov't take over of all ISPs

That's a great argument for not having metered internet. If you can't properly measure it, you can't sell it by that measure.

openbox9
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join:2004-01-26
Germany
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reply to vpoko
Mechanisms already exist to dispute inaccurate charges. So, what really changes?

25139889

join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH
reply to vpoko
they can. it's called the ISP does the work. NOT the customer. Which means even i you run you own meter oh well. It's not something that will be taken into account on why the differences in the meter from the Provider and your meter.


vpoko
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join:2003-07-03
Boston, MA
People at-large aren't very technically savvy, but you can bet "you'll pay us what we tell you to pay us and there won't be any transparency behind it" won't fly for too long. It'll fly for a while, but wait until the articles about grandma, who only checks her email and downloads the occasional recipe, getting hit with a $200 bill start making the rounds.

Better say r-e-g-u-l-a-t-i-o-n.

Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to openbox9
Well that's not a very bright response.

Please do tell.... how do you dispute inaccurate charges when they are not able to provide accurate data usage to even begin the dispute to be begin with? I guess in your wisdom, we the consumer should always assume the ISP is looking out for our best interest and take their word for it.

If they want to "meter", then they better be able to meter accurately and it better be able to be confirmed and certified by a third party through the use of strict guidelines with consistent and reproducible results.

openbox9
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join:2004-01-26
Germany
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Assume some responsibility, track your usage, then pick up your smartphone and make a voice call to customer service to discuss the error if it exists.


vpoko
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join:2003-07-03
Boston, MA
Sure, just like I measure the volume of gas that I buy at a gas station and then have a weekly chat with the cashier about discrepancies.

How about this, what if we all self-report our usage to the ISP's, and if they disagree with us, they can call us and have a nice chat every month.

Accurate measurement is a must if metered usage is in effect. Period.

openbox9
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Germany
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said by vpoko:

Sure, just like I measure the volume of gas that I buy at a gas station and then have a weekly chat with the cashier about discrepancies.

If you believe the measurement of volume to be in error, then go for it.
said by vpoko:

How about this, what if we all self-report our usage to the ISP's, and if they disagree with us, they can call us and have a nice chat every month.

When you are the service provider, then you can stipulate the terms as you see fit..


vpoko
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join:2003-07-03
Boston, MA
If I believed the measurement of volume was in error, and I could prove it, the gas station would be out of business (especially if it happened repeatedly).

Anyway, we must be talking past each other because there's no way that you could be advocating charging someone by volume of consumption without any way of accurately measuring that consumption. Why don't we just get rid of electric meters and let the electric company tell us what to pay.

openbox9
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Germany
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Are you capable of metering your own use of electricity?


vpoko
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join:2003-07-03
Boston, MA
I have a meter - owned by the electric company - on my premises, and that meter has been certified by the state department of weights and measures to be accurate.

openbox9
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Germany
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So the answer is no?


vpoko
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join:2003-07-03
Boston, MA
The answer is that there's a piece of equipment subject to neutral-party certification (AKA regulation) that measures usage. I don't care who owns it. The same thing would be OK for ISP's, if there was a certified meter that they wanted to place on premises. We both know that's not how they want it.

openbox9
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Germany
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There are several relatively standard tools to measure data transfers....many of them free. Use one to provide you the assurance that you aren't being over billed.