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Bi2on

join:2012-03-02
Whittier, NC

[Internet] New Fiber Optic laid down in WNC

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Frontier trucks and sub-contractors have been burrying a new Fiber Optic Cable in Sylva/Whittier/Cherokee area last week or so.
Does anybosy have any info if this is beeing done as a mid-mile backbone expansion (WNC Fiber Loop) or is that intended for a Fiber to Home Last-mile installations to be available in near future?

Techs burried the cable along the road I live on (side road of off I-74/441 at exit 74 towards Cherokee). There is a cable end sticking out from the ground at the end of mine drive-way with arrows marked on the ground in 3 directions pointing 3 roads - making it look like a local/rural fiber optic netwrok installation in progress - hopefully.

Should I even think about hoping for a last-mile fiber connection being offered in the area some time soon? What are the feeling out there?

rifleman69

join:2006-04-12
Beaverton, OR
It's not FiOS.

Bi2on

join:2012-03-02
Whittier, NC
You mean it is not the type of Fiber Optic Cable used for data transfer?
I never said it's FiOS. FiOS is a marketing name for a end-user provided service.
My question is if this kind of a installation, with a inter-connect on a side-road with optical cable going several different directions migh be a sign of a end-mile infrastructure for Fiber Optic being laid down?

rifleman69

join:2006-04-12
Beaverton, OR
said by Bi2on:

You mean it is not the type of Fiber Optic Cable used for data transfer?
I never said it's FiOS. FiOS is a marketing name for a end-user provided service.
My question is if this kind of a installation, with a inter-connect on a side-road with optical cable going several different directions migh be a sign of a end-mile infrastructure for Fiber Optic being laid down?

You asked earlier if it was intended for a Fiber to Home Last-mile installation to be available in the future. I told you no, it's not. It's more than likely just a better backbone expansion.

Bi2on

join:2012-03-02
Whittier, NC
That what I was thinking, but the over-optimistic side of me thought that maybe such dense network would mean something more is happening.
I guess not ;/

But still I don't understand why would they split the cable in few directions on a small side road. Issn't fiber optic supposed to go to CO's and than copper to the community?

Sorry if it sounds dumb. I don;t know much about fiber optic networks. Only networking in general.

Bi2on

join:2012-03-02
Whittier, NC
reply to Bi2on
I just went down my driveway to take a closer look at the Fiber cable and noticed that the cable runs aerial, over the telephone posts, than goes down on the post on my driveway in conduit.

I'm assuming there will be a "splitter" box installed in this place and they will run the wire underground from here.


Smith6612
Premium,MVM
join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:24
Reviews:
·Verizon Online DSL
·Frontier Communi..
If the cable is going to be ending there, it sounds like you may have a DSLAM going up very near to you. Most certainly won't be for a Fiber/Ethernet to the Home project though. Frontier has a few Ethernet to the Home areas but they are far and few, but I've not heard of anything going on with them. They've been rock solid for what I know!

Bi2on

join:2012-03-02
Whittier, NC
Good info there Smith. Thnx.
I searches for Frontier Ethernet to home offer, and turns out that Frontier MetroE - what they call it, is somehow theoretically available in my area (super-rural) go figure.

Here's an article about the service and if you look down at supported areas Cherokee NC is listed. Now I gotta just find out how to check my particular address for service availability and most likely learn about some ridiculous pricing they have on that service :P

»stopthecap.com/2011/10/10/fronti···-afford/
Expand your moderator at work

Bi2on

join:2012-03-02
Whittier, NC

Re: [Internet] New Fiber Optic laid down in WNC

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Smith6612
Premium,MVM
join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:24
reply to Bi2on
You can get Metro Ethernet pretty much everywhere. Of course, the price of it is another story but as long as Fiber or Ethernet over Twisted Pair equipment is available nearby, it's good to go.


treichhart

join:2006-12-12
reply to Bi2on
@ Smith6612 I believe your statement is incorrect about "Metro Ethernet pretty much everywhere" That is not true at all I am in rural mercer county ohio I cant even get Metro Ethernet down there but there is sure is alot of fiber down here since there is FTTH here and there is cable and dsl (frontier here).


Smith6612
Premium,MVM
join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:24
Hence my "price of it is another story" comment. It will come if paid for, especially if Fiber is nearby. The asking price is just too unethical to the point where it is seen as not available. If you've got Fiber, you can do Ethernet.

nightjars

join:2010-01-09
Bothell, WA
reply to treichhart
I do not know if Frontier offers it, but there is Ethernet over TDM, which allows Ethernet to be used over T1, T3, etc type lines.

So, if you can get a T1 (which is most places), you could likely get Ethernet over TDM. Its just not going to be even close to a competitive price to consumer grade internet.

bf95c5n

join:2003-01-14
Charleston, WV
reply to Bi2on
I would say Smith hit it on the head you will probably have a remote dslam setup close to you. Is there any power nearby or is it just phone/cable poles?

lymelizzard

join:2004-02-28
Robbinsville, NC
reply to Bi2on
»www.tuckreader.com/broadband-access-wnc/ to the original here is some info its about year old but had to do with new fibre coming to WNC.

Bi2on

join:2012-03-02
Whittier, NC
reply to bf95c5n
said by bf95c5n:

I would say Smith hit it on the head you will probably have a remote dslam setup close to you. Is there any power nearby or is it just phone/cable poles?

Yep, the power runs on the same poles as the phone lines (and now the fiber) do.

»www.tuckreader.com/broadband-access-wnc/ to the original here is some info its about year old but had to do with new fibre coming to WNC.

Tuckreader has some good articles about BalsamWest and MCNC laying down fiber loop in the mountains. That's what I was referring to when I asked if that might be just a mid-mile expansion.

As far as Metro Ethernet being available, I'm pretty sure it can be bought almost everywhere, but monthly line rental cost just kills it for any residential / small business use. Hopefully a remote DSLAM right next to my house, might bring that price down to an acceptable level.

Right now a Frontier rep quoted me at about $800 for 40 mbit down ethernet and almost $3K line upkeep fee a month. Duh ...


Smith6612
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join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:24
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To be honest, for what I've heard of dedicated line quotes in my area, the price you got from Frontier for a 40Mbps Ethernet line is actually rather reasonable. That's not too bad at all for 40Mbps/40Mbps dedicated. T1s go for 1/2 the cost in this area with all of the total costs considered.

Bi2on

join:2012-03-02
Whittier, NC
reply to Bi2on
I just talked to techs burring the fiber in my "backyard". They work for JBL Communication from Asheville, contracted by Frontier. They clearly stated that what they are working on is a infrastructure for near future Fiber to Home service from Frontier.

One guy mentioned that there will be letters sent out soon for the service being available this year. He said that most likely business accounts will receive the offer first (works for me).

As for details, they told me they currently laying down 24 string fiber for the base backbone of the network and they will be running 1-6 string to businesses and residences depending on the requirements.

Asked if they know anything about specific dates, they said they know nothing, since they are only a contractor for Frontier. Told me to make sure to come out and ask for info as soon as I will see a truck with Frontier logo on it. Which should be in next couple of weeks, as soon as they will have the fiber in place.

When I asked again if they are pretty sure that it's not just a Frontier backbone upgrade, and cooper will stay the only last-mile connection, all 4 of them said they are sure it's for Fiber last-mile hookups. They said that fiber will be laid down along every small road in the area so Frontier can offer Fiber to Home connection.

I'll be looking out for Frontier trucks, to get some more information and share it here with You guys!

All excited!

lymelizzard

join:2004-02-28
Robbinsville, NC
If you can keep us informed.................thanks for the update.

rifleman69

join:2006-04-12
Beaverton, OR
reply to Bi2on
Unless it's part of something that Verizon/Frontier already was contractually obligated to do, don't hold your breath.

Bi2on

join:2012-03-02
Whittier, NC
I'm trying not to. It almost seems to good to be true, but so far everybody I talked to tells me that it's indeed what I'm hoping for.

What kind of Verizon/Frontier obligation you have in mind?

DJ24966

join:2005-12-07
Renick, WV
I got excited when I seen fiber here as well, but it was for the cell tower lol.

The funny thing about that is, the tower here is in the middle of nowhere and has 3G, yet you go into the actual town here and you are lucky to ever get 3G.

Bi2on

join:2012-03-02
Whittier, NC
I took that into consideration, but the way they laid down the fiber took that out of equasion. Besides now I know for fact that the company is contracted by Frontier - that only delivers landline phone and internet services in the area.

On the cell topic, just today I noticed that AT&T towers got switched from 3G to 4G in Cherokee area. Now I almost get same DL speed on my iPhone as I get on Frontier DSL on my PC at home. And UL speeds are now constantly 2-3 times faster on the 4G LTE than DSL offers here. ROTFL

DJ24966

join:2005-12-07
Renick, WV
Frontier is actually doing the 3G for the tower here, they had S&N Communications do that work them, but they are providing the service which I found to be extremely odd.

Bi2on

join:2012-03-02
Whittier, NC
reply to Bi2on
Couple days ago Frontier crews were working again in my area.
There is now several places where orange conduit sticks out from the ground.

In place where they dropped the fiber in first place (at the end of my driveway) now they've put green box, run the fiber that was dropped down into it, and hooked 2 other fiber ends that were run accross the nearby streets last couple weeks.

Unfortunately I was at work when all that took place, and didn't have a chance to talk to nobody. I will for sure as soon as I'll catch a tech working in the area.

Any idea who can I contact to confirm that fiber is indeed intended for Fiber-to-home connections (like I was told earlier by field techs) and get some more info about any availability dates?