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MaynardKrebs
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Re: CNOC R&V of CRTC 2011-703 and CRTC 2011-704

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so TSI doesn't have much actual control over anything.

These days that is becoming ever more apparent.

Why doesn't CNOC bring some proceeding to the CRTC which specifically address mandatory response times, escalation, penalties, mandatory provisioning access (or as close to that as possible), direct access to support systems, etc...?

Let's get this shit out in the open and discussed.


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They are in proceedings now about some of that.


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So, can PIAC make an application on behalf of consumers to have the touch tone fee removed?

 
HeHeHe

But Bell will yet again hide behind their wall of ####'s.


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said by MaynardKrebs:

said by InvalidError:

so TSI doesn't have much actual control over anything.

These days that is becoming ever more apparent.

Why doesn't CNOC bring some proceeding to the CRTC which specifically address mandatory response times, escalation, penalties, mandatory provisioning access (or as close to that as possible), direct access to support systems, etc...?

Let's get this shit out in the open and discussed.

 
Penalties to an incumbent for taking too long on orders from a TPIA partner, I hope you meant.

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CNOC currently has at least 2 proceedings I know of at the CRTC. They may hve others that were quietly submitted.

You cannot accuse CNOC of not being active and if you'ld like them to tackle other things, you have to give them time to get through the current batch of R&V that came from everyone but me.

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said by jfmezei:

CNOC currently has at least 2 proceedings I know of at the CRTC. They may hve others that were quietly submitted.

You cannot accuse CNOC of not being active and if you'ld like them to tackle other things, you have to give them time to get through the current batch of R&V that came from everyone but me.

They're a 'professional' organization, right?
Surely (Shirley??) they can manage multiple filings all at the same time, and mounting a PR campaign with MP's to deal with the structure failings of the CRTC and how it is basically toothless vs. the incumbents.


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CNOC is a lobbying organization. We now know 90% of what happens goes on behind the scenes including golfing with the commissioners. The public record only shows a portion of this and in some cases it seems that these issues are resolved outside of proceedings.

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Until CNOC grows to having 10,000 lawyers like Bell, they have limits on the number of regulatory processes they can handle at any one point in time.

And if they play golf with commissioners and ministers, so much the better.

And BTW, the CRTC also has limits on how many processes they can handle at the same time, especially when it comes to costing issues.

Just keeping track of te deadline schedule for all the RV&s and Part 1 for the 703 decision is almost a full time job because CRTC keeps issuing more and more letters about dates.


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said by MaynardKrebs:

They're a 'professional' organization, right? [CNOC]

Surely (Shirley??) they can manage multiple filings all at the same time, and mounting a PR campaign with MP's to deal with the structure failings of the CRTC and how it is basically toothless vs. the incumbents.

 
I dunno about Toothless, but mayhaps 'De-Clawed'.

WAIT !

Were we talking about the CRTC ?

Engage the 'Otto-Pilot' !


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Until CNOC grows to having 10,000 lawyers like Bell....

 
CNOC has some good ones, though, based upon recent CRTC submissions which have passed MY eyes.

What Bell has in QUANTITY....


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said by MaynardKrebs:

Why doesn't CNOC bring some proceeding to the CRTC which specifically address mandatory response times,

Let's get this shit out in the open and discussed.

said by andyb:

They are in proceedings now about some of that.

In one case Rogers replied saying the fault isn't with them. They state resellers give them info to hook people up, but they have no IP's.

So Rogers is blaming the resellers for this quakery. Which leads to Rogers demanding more money for having to put up with this.


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No.Its rogers demanding 5K worth of IP's for hookups that can only 2k worth of subs max.There are no ip4 address's left so rogers needs to clean up their act or implement ipv6.TSI has probably given them enough ip's to do double the amount of customers they have and more.


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TY for clarifying that.


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Sorta related:CNOC does a letter to CRTC regarding all R&V's (much easier on my inbox)

downloadLetter to Jo···inal.pdf 33636 bytes
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said by Davesnothere:

said by MaynardKrebs:

They're a 'professional' organization, right? [CNOC]

Surely (Shirley??) they can manage multiple filings all at the same time, and mounting a PR campaign with MP's to deal with the structure failings of the CRTC and how it is basically toothless vs. the incumbents.

 
I dunno about Toothless, but mayhaps 'De-Clawed'.

WAIT !

Were we talking about the CRTC ?

Engage the 'Otto-Pilot' !

Achtung!!!
Jawohl, Herr Komissioner!!!

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said by MaynardKrebs:

Achtung!!!
Jawohl, Herr Komissioner!!!

The current chairman was born in Montréal and has no german accent.


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I dont think its German either.Maybe Hungarian or Polish?


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It's pretty close to what modest amount of German that I know.

But I was making 2 jokes & I think that MK took it all as one.

Wasn't Otto the name of the inflatable Auto-Pilot in the movie Airplane ? (end credits)

Now y'all have me thinking about KvF's Heroes and whistling THAT tune !

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said by Davesnothere:

Wasn't Otto the name of the inflatable Auto-Pilot in the movie Airplane?

Would you like a little light reading to find the answer to that?


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I have the flick saved offline, and yes, that's Otto !

He is also credited at the end.

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I know, but you missed an (Airplane) joke. And you know what else we missed? The topic.

Katz got a brand new computer with a tetrabyte food processor with 8 gigahertz of RAM. He received Bibic and Depatie's bribe emails so fast that he asked for another bribe.

(there, now we're somewhat back on topic)


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said by grunze510:

I know, but you missed an (Airplane) joke. And you know what else we missed? The topic.

Katz got a brand new computer with a tetrabyte food processor with 8 gigahertz of RAM. He received Bibic and Depatie's bribe emails so fast that he asked for another bribe.

(there, now we're somewhat back on topic)

 
Now you've got me thinking (smell anything ?).

But is it OK to bribe interim chairpersons ?

And would that even be effective ?

Offer Katz an RV insread of an R&V !

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Katz is technically litterate.

And I tried to bribe him once with a loonie and he refused. Note that I was not subtle: "can I bribe you with a loonie ?" (with me offering the loonie) and he flatly refused.

So he passed the integrity test as far as I am concerned. Next time, I may up the ante and try with irrestible chocolate cookies.

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said by Davesnothere:

 
I have the flick saved offline, and yes, that's Otto !

RIP Otto. He had been staying at the producer's home since the movie, but he was discovered partly decomposed in their garage, the plastic having succombed to time.

As well, Captain Oveur and Doctor Rumack passed away last year (or was it in 2010 ?) (peter graves and leslie nielsen). Doctor Rumack passed away in a hospital ( a large building with sick people in it).


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said by jfmezei:

Doctor Rumack passed away in a hospital (a large building with sick people in it - BUT THAT'S NOT IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW....).

 
I still ROFL at how those guys could deadpan deliver the funny lines !



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said by jfmezei:

....So he passed the integrity test as far as I am concerned....

 
Not really.

It sounds to me like you two are just haggling over the price.

Same punch line applies to the story about the guy offering the girl in the bar increasing amounts of money to go to bed with him.


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applies to the story about the guy offering the girl in the bar increasing amounts of money to go to bed with him.

Sounds like a regular night out after a CRTC hearing... with Bell paying the tab.


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I still ROFL at how those guys could deadpan deliver the funny lines !

All the more incredible is that Airplane was his first comedic role. Before then, Nielson was known purely for dramatic roles. The sci-fi nerds among us will remember his starring role in Forbidden Planet, often seen as a precursor to Star Trek
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This is just a post to keep this topic active as there will b many posts to it in the next couple of weeks.