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DrWhovian

join:2012-06-15
T4022
reply to newster

Re: What usenet service everyone using now?

said by newster:

Does anyone know how much they pay him? Highwinds is about the worst.

Highwinds gets a bad rap because of issues they had years ago but I have been using UsenetServer for two years and have nothing but good things to say about them.

Obviously this is a heated topic for some people but I think most people would agree that there is some stuff on the Usenet that doesn't have a place anywhere because it is so terrible. I have been using the Usenet for over a decade and have high respect for all the contributors of all the discussion groups and it is blatantly true that there are a set of binary groups whose contents tarnishes the Usenet as a whole and that is why I think most of your major NSPs have sided with the IWF to help protect the integrity of the Usenet. Unfortunately to often these days the Usenet is stereo typed into a place where you can find porn and music but anyone who has been a real member of the Usenet community for a long time knows this is not true. I agree at least in part with @sfl0w that the NSPs have a certain level of responsibility, I certainly don't want to see children being harmed on my newsfeed, most of the large providers including Astraweb, Highwinds and Giganews have all complied that sort of speaks for itself.

unoriginal
Premium
join:2000-07-12
San Diego, CA

quote:
I agree at least in part with @sfl0w that the NSPs have a certain level of responsibility, I certainly don't want to see children being harmed on my newsfeed, most of the large providers including Astraweb, Highwinds and Giganews have all complied that sort of speaks for itself.
Thanks for an epic first post. Besides your claim and sfl0w's rants does anyone actually have any proof that Readnews is refusing to comply with any laws that require them to remove harmful content from their servers? Child porn, warez, tv shows, or otherwise?

newster

join:2011-09-26
reply to sfl0w

said by sfl0w:

Easynews,Newshosting and UsenetServer are among many other responsible providers who have opted to be members of the Internet Watch Foundation - the IWF's purpose is to remove criminal content, primarily newsgroups that harbor child porn, from the Usenet. Anyone who really cares about the Usenet and loves it for what it is knows that there is no place for that kind of garbage anywhere. Before @swintec attacks other providers for censorship, it ought to known for anyone who is interested that Blocknews and UsenetNow both take no responsibility and openly support newsgroups that knowingly contain and are only online to spread child pornography.

Any decent provider filters child porn.

There is no effective way to "filter" CP. If you come across any, you can report it to the proper authorities and let them handle it.

Highwinds (i.e., Easynews,Newshosting and UsenetServer) for many years did nothing about child porn "prevention" until they were confronted by the NY Attorney General over the issue. They were handed a list of groups to remove and they complied as ordered. Since then, Highwinds has never removed the many additional *suggestive* names that have popped up since the original ban was executed. (and why not? maybe because they feel that group-name censorship is an endless battle that achieves nothing?) So it is really an empty argument to suggest that Highwinds (and no one else) is somehow "doing something" about illegal porn prevention.

Donating money to an activist charity (especially one that some might accuse of operating as a sort of 'protection-racket') is simply good business sense, and in this case has already been used for bragging rights as noted above (therefore not a "true" donation).

The AG only went after the biggest NSPs, so that's why today only a few NSPs censor group names while most others do not. (Giganews also complied with the AG's demands, but complained about being pressured to do something they felt was largely ineffective) Anyone who thinks Highwinds did this on their own initiative out of some sense of altruism is living in a fantasy world.

I can understand that it's hard to be a fanboy diehard for Highwinds these days, so maybe the best defense is to attack the other providers over a highly emotional (but deceptive) issue.

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DrWhovian

join:2012-06-15
T4022
reply to unoriginal

Re: What usenet service everyone using now?

said by unoriginal:

quote:
I agree at least in part with @sfl0w that the NSPs have a certain level of responsibility, I certainly don't want to see children being harmed on my newsfeed, most of the large providers including Astraweb, Highwinds and Giganews have all complied that sort of speaks for itself.
Thanks for an epic first post. Besides your claim and sfl0w's rants does anyone actually have any proof that Readnews is refusing to comply with any laws that require them to remove harmful content from their servers? Child porn, warez, tv shows, or otherwise?

Thank you for the compliment and forgive the way I worded the last part of my post. The point that I was trying to convey is that a company that hosts a usenet feed also hosts content in the binary groups and along with that content comes a certain level of corporate responsibility if you will with regard to providing access to groups that knowingly only exist to spread child pornography specifically. The reality is that today many NSPs have taken responsibility for those groups and removed them and have also become members of the Internet Watch Foundation(UK Based) whose sole existence is to prohibit and stop the spread of Child pornography. I would not attack any provider who is not a member of the IWF or who does not make any effort to filter this content, although I personally don't think this move is a responsible action and I would not choose to use them.

Also please do not drag me into this issue you guys have with Highwinds NSPs, but you aught to be aware that Giganews contributes at least 20X more to the IWF than does Highwinds. Most NSPs today filter groups based on the IWF's continually updated newsgroup list as an accepted best pratice.

Link showing members and contributions: »www.iwf.org.uk/members

While filtering known CP groups may not prevent the crimes from happening I do think that it is a responsible stop gap measure to help to prevent access to materials that may encourage would be sexual predators to actually go and commit a crime against a child.

newster

join:2011-09-26
reply to DrWhovian

said by DrWhovian:


Highwinds gets a bad rap because of issues they had years ago

Which of Highwinds "issues they had years ago" are you referring to? You could also say that Astraweb's annual completion holes are a thing of the past, and while that would be true, that doesn't mean it won't happen again.

Highwinds gets a bad rap because of issues they have RIGHT NOW, like downloads not completing.

said by DrWhovian:


The reality is that today many NSPs have taken responsibility for those groups and removed them

And this somehow prevents the child abusers from simply posting to other groups? Or worse yet, driving it underground to Freenet and Tor, where people are anonymous and virtually untraceable? It's rumored that those anonymous networks are full of child porn, yet the legal authorities are powerless to do much about it.

There is another side to this issue, that the newsgroups serve as a convenient honeypot, a baited trap that legal authorities can easily exploit to their advantage.

»nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2012/06···igation/

said by DrWhovian:

Most NSPs today filter groups based on the IWF's continually updated newsgroup list as an accepted best pratice.

Highwinds is nowhere "clean" by any means. A quick check through its group list shows that Highwinds has a lot of group names with flagrantly suggestive titles (and probably far more using CP codewords) but none of those groups are carried on Giganews. Could it be that Giganews gets a more complete list of groups to censor because it donates a lot more money to the IWF consecration machine than Highwinds does?


squirrel83
cheers

join:2005-05-02
Honolulu, HI
reply to nfixit2004

I just signed up for Astraweb, no complaints.



Edrick
I aspire to tell the story of a lifetime
Premium
join:2004-09-11
Woburn, MA
reply to nfixit2004

I use Unison, does anyone have comments about them?

Also how does this whole usenet system work are they the same across providers? What are some good groups? Especially now that we've got the new 75mbit verizon package


decx
Premium
join:2002-06-07
Vancouver, BC

Panic is reselling Highwinds for it's Unison Access usenet service.

Here is a good primer on the background of Usenet and the broad overview of how it works.

As for whether it's all the same, ideally yes. But unfortunately postings to one server doesn't always makes it to all servers and then there are issues with deletion for various reasons (as is being discussed).



Xioden
Premium
join:2008-06-10
Monticello, NY
kudos:1
reply to nfixit2004

just4today.net

Maxes out connections for me the rare occasions I need something (TV show I miss). And it's free.



Edrick
I aspire to tell the story of a lifetime
Premium
join:2004-09-11
Woburn, MA
reply to nfixit2004

I tried some stuff on this usenet on my new 75mbit connection I'm still waiting to be impressed. Maybe the server I was connected to was slow?



Postal
First pull up, then pull down.
Premium
join:2000-08-30
Simi Valley, CA

said by Edrick:

I tried some stuff on this usenet on my new 75mbit connection I'm still waiting to be impressed. Maybe the server I was connected to was slow?

What kind of download speeds were you getting? How many conections?
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Edrick
I aspire to tell the story of a lifetime
Premium
join:2004-09-11
Woburn, MA

Took about 30 minutes to download a 700meg file, the client I'm using "Unison" was doing 8 transfers at a time. I was able to download a 700 meg file with a single transmission going on from Chrome of Fedora in 45 seconds.


decx
Premium
join:2002-06-07
Vancouver, BC

You're using Unison the usenet client, but what are you using as your usenet provider? Panic does sell Unison Access as an option but it's an additional recurring fee not included in the client.



Edrick
I aspire to tell the story of a lifetime
Premium
join:2004-09-11
Woburn, MA

I'm using Unison for my provider.



swintec
Premium,VIP
join:2003-12-19
Alfred, ME
kudos:5
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·VoicePulse
·Sprint Mobile Br..
·RapidVPS

said by Edrick:

I'm using Unison for my provider.

You need to keep this restriction in mind, "* Transfer speed up to 2 Mbit per connection. Speed restrictions apply if monthly usage exceeds 600 GB."
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Usenet Block Accounts | Unlimited Accounts


Edrick
I aspire to tell the story of a lifetime
Premium
join:2004-09-11
Woburn, MA

Guess I should of seen that little bullet at the bottom. Even at 8 concurrent connections that still only maxes out at 16mbit. Time to find a better provider.



jarablue
Always be true to yourself

join:2001-06-11
Boxborough, MA
reply to nfixit2004

I use Giganews 50 connections. With my 150mb FIOS speed it steadily maxes out my connection at 164mbps/20.5MB/s. I can download a DVD in a little under 4 minutes.

Life is good in Giganews/FIOS land.


sandman_1

join:2011-04-23
11111
reply to Edrick

Been with Astraweb for years now and they max out my 30Mbps connection and I have seen people with 100Mbps+ connections getting maxed out. It is definitely cheaper than Giganews. Why people pay $30+ a month for Usenet is insane.

My list of free Usenet servers for anyone interested:

»xsusenet.com/ 1Mbps max speed, 2 connections, around 600 days retention, 20GB monthly limit, lifetime free account

»just4today.net/ 2Mbps max speed, 2 connections, have to get a new password every day, retention around 14 days but others have reported much more retention--several hundred days

»usenetstorm.com/index.php 500MB file size limit--can break up a larger file in 500MB chunks, retention 1347 days--unconfirmed, 500Kbps speed per 500MB file, download up to 3 at a time--maybe more?, you must upload nzb file to them, they download file from server, they zip it up, and then you download from them--no direct access to Usenet server like previous two

»www.usegrab.com/ similar to usenetstorm.com, max nzb file size is 3MB, max file size is 1GB, retention??, max speed??, max concurrent file downloads??

IPv6 Free servers (may or may not work still. Also some of them go down and come back up)

news.ipv6.eweka.nl
newszilla6.xs4all.nl
reader.ipv6.xsnews.nl

You will need either a tunnel broker (Go6 or Hurricane Electric) or IPv6 native support from your ISP



NewsgroupRev
Premium
join:2008-06-25

XS Usenet recently capped their free plan at 10 days binary retention and dropped SSL support.

- NGR
Newsgroup Reviews


sandman_1

join:2011-04-23
11111

Yea I just heard about that, bummer.


woody99

join:2012-07-12
reply to Stem Bolt

said by Stem Bolt:

There are some Dutch providers that might be what your looking for.

»www.sunnyusenet.com/

»xsusenet.com/

»www.hitnews.com

I've heard some good word of mouth about Sunnyusenet.

There retention isn't as high as others though. Most of them only have servers in Europe.

hitnews.com on it's legal page says it complies with DMCA.. that can't be good.

how do you sign up for sunnyusenet.com it's all in dutch, lol

-w

decx
Premium
join:2002-06-07
Vancouver, BC

said by woody99:

how do you sign up for sunnyusenet.com it's all in dutch, lol

Try this:
»forums.redflagdeals.com/usenet-d···14149069

Note that some north american users have reported inconsistent speeds on Sunnyusenet.

woody99

join:2012-07-12

thx will try out sunnyusenet!



Stem Bolt
Aka Smiling Bob
Premium
join:2002-11-08
Cleveland, OH
kudos:2

1 edit
reply to woody99

said by woody99:

how do you sign up for sunnyusenet.com it's all in dutch, lol

-w

»translate.google.com/?hl=en&tab=wT

Paste the Sunnyusenet web address into the box and Google should translate the site for you.

EDIT:

Google translate may not translated the entire website (ordering, ect.)

You can use Chrome browser and it will translate the whole website instead.

decx
Premium
join:2002-06-07
Vancouver, BC
reply to nfixit2004

From what others reported, Google translate works for individual pages but not for the entire multi-page signup script/process.



Stem Bolt
Aka Smiling Bob
Premium
join:2002-11-08
Cleveland, OH
kudos:2

said by decx:

From what others reported, Google translate works for individual pages but not for the entire multi-page signup script/process.

Chrome browser can auto translate everything.


JE
JE 's BACK BABY
Premium
join:2000-12-15
Charlotte, NC
reply to nfixit2004

Signed up with NewsDemon.. $7 1st month, $10 every month thereafter...UNLIMITED.



sm5w2
Premium
join:2004-10-13
St Thomas, ON
reply to nfixit2004

I use nntp.aioe.org. It's a free, anonymous nntp server that you can use to participate in what USENET IS REALLY FOR - text discussions.

For downloading, I visit avax.ws and download from file-lockers as a "free" user with no account. I use jdownloader and it downloads the stuff for me automatically, and even knows how to log into my router to cycle my internet connection to obtain a new IP address.



darcilicious
Cyber Librarian
Premium
join:2001-01-02
Forest Grove, OR
kudos:4
Reviews:
·Frontier FiOS

said by sm5w2:

I use nntp.aioe.org. It's a free, anonymous nntp server that you can use to participate in what USENET IS REALLY FOR - text discussions.

How... retro!
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