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March 2012 ONTARIO Internet Plans Comparison

 
March 2012 ONTARIO Internet Plans Comparison :

This revised spreadsheet takes into account some additional plans and providers :

(1) The ground-breaking COGECO TPIA Indie CABLE Internet services from START Communications of London, Ontario,

(2) The March 2012 DSL FTTN Price Promos, which are at least partially sponsored by Bell, and available thru some IISPs,

(3) New 'SEMI-LIGHT DSL' plans from Electronic Box, START, & Velcom, with lower prices and caps in the 75 to 100GB range.

Any IISPs participating in the March Bell Promos would be passing these savings on to the subscriber for new accounts and/or upgrades ordered/installed during part or all of this month, and in SOME cases adding further promo features of their own.

PLEASE contact each IISP for their exact policies and valid date ranges !

ALSO included are :

ROGERS' & COGECO's current Retail customer rate plans for Ontario,

Ongoing February prices & plans for Ontario,

Selected other DSL IISPs who do not offer FTTN.

 
 
ABOUT the COLOURS in the Spreadsheet :

COGECO and COGECO Cable TPIA cells now have a GREEN background.

Rogers & Rogers Cable TPIA cells are RED.

DSL cells are BLUE, except for the March Promos, which are YELLOW.

DSL 'SEMI-LIGHT' are now EGGSHELL (I think it's called).


»docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?···yc2k5c1E


PLEASE FEEL FREE to post here about what you feel are the pros & cons of the various promos.

Note : There may be other providers offering similar promos.

Please post here (including link to rate page showing the deals) and I will try to include some of them, either in this or in the April edition of this CSD (Customer Service Document).

We want INFORMED CONSUMERS !

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IMPORTANT NOTICE :

Soon, the forum will LOCK the above post from further editing (as all posts here are when it they become about 5 days old).

After that, please look towards the END of the current thread for a link to a newer version of the spreadsheet, as the one right here will likely be outdated, because I do things offline in Excel, and a new link is generated each time that I upload a new revision of the sheet.

I am not impressed with the Google cloud app for the spreadsheets, so that's why I do that.


Thank you, and ON WITH THE SHOW !
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Re: March 2012 ONTARIO Internet Rate Plans

said by Davesnothere:

 
Ongoing February Indie Cable prices & plans for Ontario are also included, as well as ROGERS' & COGECO's rate plans.

Some other DSL IISPs who do not offer FTTN are included too.

hey Dave not sure why your info for the 1 year acanac cable term is different but website states 39.95 if i prepay for 1 year. Not 45.95 for the 28/1 and the 15/1 is 35.95 if i prepay a year your info appears Different than the sites?

Found your Info based on their post on here but If the website says otherwise and allows signup etc.. i think Until its Corrected Old prices would Stand.
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said by morisato:

hey Dave not sure why your info for the 1 year acanac cable term is different but website states 39.95 if i prepay for 1 year. Not 45.95 for the 28/1 and the 15/1 is 35.95 if i prepay a year your info appears Different than the sites?

 
Acanac's websites still have their OLD info on the Cable page, but their DSL page is current.

And note that the speeds on their Cable pages are their older slower ones, and that their new 'speed limiting' policy is also not mentioned there, but IS mentioned on their DSL page.

Paul posted that he is waiting for the Docsis 3 Modems (and maybe other things) before he updates the cable page.

I got MY info from the Acanac/Velcom thread here, where he and/or Lynn posted the new Cable plans, and that same new info is posted in Acanac's own community forum.

AFAIK, my info is current for Acanac.

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Possibly but A Company cannot Advertise One price and charge another its False advertising Until the website is updated they are legally required to Honor The price on it.

either way They Charge more than Distributel their Parent Cable Company In Ontario @ least on a monthly basis Sure prepay an entire year and Save, But on a strictly month vs Month price How does a Throttled Acanac Cable Connection Compare? Especially if Huwaei is making those modems I've had a few of their cellphones and They really were cheap Crap.
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said by morisato:

Possibly but a Company cannot Advertise One price and charge another its False advertising Until the website is updated they are legally required to Honor The price on it.

 
And somebody may well 'call' them on it.

Their website plans have different (lower) speeds than what they are offering in the forums for a bit more money, so it really is not the same product.

If a person tried to force their hand, Acanac could set the speed lower too, to match the lower price.

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myself i would gladly take Unthrottled 24/1 for 40 a month over weird Throttling 28/14 -/1 for 46ish
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said by morisato:

either way They Charge more than Distributel their Parent Cable Company In Ontario @ least on a monthly basis Sure prepay an entire year and Save, But on a strictly month vs Month price How does a Throttled Acanac Cable Connection Compare? ....

 
And these are the kinds of comparisons which people NEED to make.

That's why some others (and now myself) are making these spreadsheets.

I was, however, more interested, this particular month, in folks comparing the various DSL promos being offered, but yes, you could apply some of the same observations you just made to some of the DSL plans too.


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myself i would gladly take Unthrottled 24/1 for 40 a month over weird Throttling 28/14 -/1 for 46ish

 
When you consider the sometimes awful speed tests which some TSI customers are posting for Cable accounts, for the same peak period during which Acanac says they may limit speed, it has been suggested by some folks that we should not trust that ANY ISP will deliver full speed during that timeframe, no matter WHAT they might advertise.

Some have called Acanac more honest about the reality of the matter than any of the other Cablecos.

As for the Cable Modems, I have no idea how theirs may be, but many of us were skeptical of TP-Link products and THEY turned out pretty decent, AND affordable.

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ya i was Looking Some are Good Some are marginally as in 1 or 2 dollars different others Are Actually more expensive than Un Throttled I mean Acanac is Implementing this Throttling Option to bring Lower prices to customers So they say But then Their pricing structure When Not prepaying is VERY similar to UNThrottled isps In certain groupings.In the cable case they also Charge a higher Install fee by $10 dollars than distributel.

As far as the DSL packages go, They Look Good With the promos for the most part but in order to get a connection thats not going to be Crippled to the point of almost being useless You need to go with a minimum of the 12/1 a connection that is 6 is Sufficent for netflix 3 On the other hand is basically worthless.

So your looking @ 50 a month for 12/1 Unlimited Which is Throttled to 6/1 for 5 hours a day, 5 days a week and if i read it right almost the entire day on weekends? like 3-12? Thats ouch. Basically For most people A Connection Thats Running @ half speed whenever you use it. Seems to me more worthwhile to Get The Unthrottled Lower Tier and pocket the difference I mean if i work 9-5 weekends off My internet useage is largely falling in Throttled hours a 12/1 is 50 Throttled to 6/1 getting a 6/8 Unthrottled connection 24/7 is only 43.95 Which also Highlights That acanacs Supposedly Limited for your savings 6/800 is the same price as ebox Unthrottled 6/800,

Looks more like acanac is Pocketing the profit rather than passing The savings onwards to me at least
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said by Davesnothere:

said by morisato:

myself i would gladly take Unthrottled 24/1 for 40 a month over weird Throttling 28/14 -/1 for 46ish

 
When you consider the sometimes awful speed tests which some TSI customers are posting for Cable accounts, for the same peak period during which Acanac says they may limit speed, we should not trust that ANY ISP will deliver full speed during that timeframe, no matter WHAT they might advertise, IMNSHO.

Some have called Acanac more honest about the reality of the matter than any of the other Cablecos.

As for the Cable Modems, I have no idea how theirs may be, but many of us were skeptical of TP-Link products and THEY turned out pretty decent, AND affordable.

All i have to go off for huwaei is their horrible Cellular Phones so maybe modems are more their forte, Avoid their cellphones p:) , And While Tsi Speed tests are horrible i rarely see that from Distributel, In tsis case i am pretty sure its Mostly Growing pangs distributel has been in the cable game alot longer and so already had its teething phase. And Since Cable speeds are So Unreliable would not the Cheapest Price then be the best Choice since its a crapshoot no matter where ya go? and Currently thats Distributel. Cable wise.
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said by morisato:

....And While Tsi Speed tests are horrible i rarely see that from Distributel....

 
But it is unlikely that D-Tel is delivering full speed during the whole peak evening period, no matter what negativity has not been posted in review of them.

ALL ISPs oversubscribe to some degree.

They cannot afford NOT to.

It's just that some get caught at it more often, I figure.

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ya I can jive with that But just the same if its all a Crapshoot I would pick the cheapest ISP, not like any of the 3 cable providers not named rogers have Any major difference at the moment except price, all have been off the ball for support for awhile, distributel is $50. Acanac is $52, TSI is 62, makes you wonder why any sane person would pick TSI over Distributel or Even Acanac ( note i consider myself a few bricks short of a load)
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said by morisato:

ya I can jive with that....

 
It's just that I think that some folks got very worried when Acanac decided to be open about throttling/limiting speed, as they had bad memories of how Bell did that.

My choices do not include alternate cable due to being caught in the Cogeco Corral, but these new DSL deals this month may help me save some bucks.

I will say though that my current Cogeco 30/2 service just flies, even during peak period, but it costs more than I can really afford, and these new specials have me shopping for various DSL just as I think you said you are shopping for Cable.

And I am making many of the same comparisons which you are, and likely a lot of others will be, over the next few days.

Removing that $95 (or so) startup fee from Bell is what so many of us have been requesting/begging/praying/waiting, etc.

The 3 providers who have so far openly offered to pass along this Bell March promo are TSI, Acanac, and Velcom.

Acanac seems to be throwing in a FREE DRY LOOP for "at least 24 months" (see their site's 'Naked DSL' page), and that is interesting, but TSI and Velcom have some lower priced plans which are NOT unlimited monthly usage, where Acanac does not offer such plans.

When you add the monthly DL fee to THOSE plans ($11 + HST to ME), it is not all that diffferent in price to Acanac, but then we must weigh other factors, such as having stated a throttling/limiting policy vs not saying for sure, and other peoples' opinions of the various companies.

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Not to Suggest one do this But The way TSI has organized its Overage Fee System is a rolling Average if your over for 2 months In a Row The 3rd Month is Charged @ the unlimited rate Thats Your fee You pay, So It stands to reason there is No real purpose to Ever paying for Unlimited because Its cheaper to be on a 300M plan and pay the extra fee once every 3 months or if as i suspect it ends up being every other Month Rather Than Paying for Unlimited straight as well.

I can Say For TSI my 25/7 Runs at full speed right thru Primetime and on weekends Provided my Cellpipe is not resetting i get 3/mbs a second p:)
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said by morisato:

Not to Suggest....

 
TSI NEVER DID CLARIFY once and for all exactly what they meant as to how this rolling average thing would work (instead they just pulled their FAQ and left us all hanging), and there are several interpretations of it STILL floating around out here, but I agree in principle that it is unlikely that very many of us would go over our caps EVERY month, and also that it is unlikely that TSI would ding us EVERY month even if we did.

So yes, I'm looking at TSI's 300GB plans myself, as I was on one before and never exceeded it (or never got dinged, anyway).

And I agree with your general logic about playing the odds.

Therefive, it's TSI's 12 or 16Mb 300GB plans plus the monthly DL fee, vs Acanac's 12 or 16 Mb Unlimited Usage with DL included, paying one month at a time (and 25/7 is not available to me where I live).

Acanac says that they MAY limit speed during peak periods, where TSI says nothing but the end result would be the same if congestion happens.

TSI will cost a tad more, based on that comparison.

EDIT : I forgot, but TSI also has that 2AM-8AM 'off-peak usage not counted' feature, so that makes their capped plans less risky than when I was with them in the past.

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It says it is checked every month with potential rollover. It appears concise. Averaging allows one month over, so I guess that is in the customer's favor. So maybe they have decided it is more than fair. As far as I am aware, they are the only one who does this averaging, probably motivated by not really wanting to deal in overages. If a customer goes over 2 months in a row, what do you think they should do? The customer already abused the grace.


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Perhaps nobody has ever proven congestion on TSI's cloud, not prolonged anyways. You get what you pay for.



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said by morisato:

All i have to go off for huwaei is their horrible Cellular Phones so maybe modems are more their forte, Avoid their cellphones p:)
...

I'm not sure which phone you're referring to, but I was using a basic U1250 for a while, and although it was mostly plastic, that thing worked like a champ for over a year before I upgraded. I dropped it 10-15 times and its screen is scratched to hell, but it never drops a call.

As for the internet plans, the list would get interesting if you added the contract prices (-15% for a year or whatever) for the incumbents if you sign for a certain time length. Not many of those prices are officially written anywhere. That's what makes it so interesting

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I Called acanac a while back had a conversation with there sales guy who BTW seemed a bit Checked out on the conversation but eventually The rate limit/throttle will be applied most likely for the full 50% during the hours. is what i was informed.
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said by morisato:

I Called acanac a while back had a conversation with there sales guy who BTW seemed a bit Checked out on the conversation but eventually The rate limit/throttle will be applied most likely for the full 50% during the hours. is what i was informed.

 
They had better train all of their staff the same on this, or the same thing will happen to them as with the TSI FAQ v1.0 !

Paul and Lynn each explained it multiple times (here and on their own forum) that it would be applied ONLY AS NECESSARY, and only to the level and time length as necessary, to a MAX limit of half of your MAX speed, therefive leaving only the other half for the customer in a worst-case scenario.

And that's nothing like what Bell did - not underhanded, and not down to 30KB of bandwidth (speed) on p2p and for a while even on video streams.


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said by bbiab:

It says it is checked every month with potential rollover. It appears concise. Averaging allows one month over, so I guess that is in the customer's favor. So maybe they have decided it is more than fair. As far as I am aware, they are the only one who does this averaging, probably motivated by not really wanting to deal in overages. If a customer goes over 2 months in a row, what do you think they should do? The customer already abused the grace.

 
Please provide us with a link to the page where this is currently officially posted, worded in that manner.
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I am suggesting there is no FAQ now.


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How the Rolling average works.

Every month, we will average the usage for the two previous months. If the average exceeds the Customers cap, we will automatically roll them over to the unlimited plan. Our customers will be notified when this rollover happens.

»teksavvy.com/en/res-internet.asp···ages-dsl
Click the Button How the Rolling averages work More And u will see the above text.
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said by morisato:

How the Rolling average work :

Every month, we will average the usage for the two previous months. If the average exceeds the Customer's cap, we will automatically roll them over to the unlimited plan. Our customers will be notified when this rollover happens.

»teksavvy.com/en/res-internet.asp···ages-dsl

Click the Button How the Rolling averages work and u will see the above text.

 
Right.

Seen it before, and it contains some weasel words just like it always did, IMNSHO.

There are still multiple ways to interpret that popup's wording alone, even without considering the different manner in which TSI's now-pulled FAQ explained it.

I stand on what I posted earlier. »Re: March 2012 ONTARIO Internet Rate Plans

TSI has still NOT issued an official clarification, one with some clear example situations in it, and they NEED TO DO THAT.


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Hey DNT...

There is a Velcom plan you did not include, and it's right in the range that many of us thought the other company was missing (around $30 and 100GB!). This would rival EBox's $30.95 offering, but it has no free off-peak usage. (Then again, off-peak has absolutely no value to many non-techie customers)
»www.velcom.ca/prices.htm
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Also, there is start.ca you might consider adding. I had heard rumours they were coming out with some new plans & pricing in March, but that was before any of the activation fee waiver announcements. Perhaps that has delayed their release.
»www.start.ca/services/highspeed



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Hey DNT...

There is a Velcom plan you did not include, and it's right in the range that many of us thought the other company was missing (around $30 and 100GB!). This would rival EBox's $30.95 offering, but it has no free off-peak usage. (Then again, off-peak has absolutely no value to many non-techie customers)
»www.velcom.ca/prices.htm
$29.95 for Up to 6Mbps Download Speed, Up to 800K Upload Speed, with 100GB Monthly TRAFFIC....

 
Actually it's 'DNH'. (old Cheech & Chong joke)

Thanks for the tip.

That's new info, after Feb 23rd or 24th, when I last checked and compiled most Feb data.

The March sheet was posted as soon as TSI went live with their version of the March promos last night.

I also see that Velcom disco'd another plan, their 512K light one.

And I like their term 'Traffic'.

So I'll repost likely late tonight.

If Start.ca has a current rate page or has posted new rates in a public forum such as here, I may add them too.

Are they saying anything at all about the March fee waiver ?


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UPDATE is completed for new SEMI-LIGHT DSL plans, now marked with EGGSHELL background.



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It might have something to do with this.

»AT&T May Sell Off Many DSL Markets

The end of the road for dsl as in the way of the do-do bird and the dinosaur. Cable internet will crush the life out of Bell's dsl and vdsl. Telus will also fall like a house of cards out west.



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It might have something to do with this.
»AT&T May Sell Off Many DSL Markets
The end of the road for dsl as in the way of the do-do bird and the dinosaur. Cable internet will crush the life out of Bell's dsl and vdsl. Telus will also fall like a house of cards out west.

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