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BryanInPHX
Premium
join:2001-03-06
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:2
reply to SoonerAl

Re: [FL] Whole Room Rip Off

Every Showing in that list that states 1080p has a $ icon behind it, I assume that is PPV. Is any of the Free OnDemand content 1080p?

Is BBCA in HD yet on DTV?


Rob_
Premium
join:2008-07-16
Mary Esther, FL
kudos:1
reply to SoonerAl

What about rainfade issues? That's the main reason why I don't have satellite and the local on the 8s..


Foxbat121

join:2001-04-25
Herndon, VA

Whatever happend to infamous Satellite TV's HD Lite, e.g. instead of sending out 1920x1080 HD pictures, they send out 1024x1080 instead?



dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4

said by Foxbat121:

Whatever happend to infamous Satellite TV's HD Lite, e.g. instead of sending out 1920x1080 HD pictures, they send out 1024x1080 instead?

AFAIK areas that are still MPEG2 are still HD-LITE.


dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4
reply to Rob_

said by Rob_:

What about rainfade issues? That's the main reason why I don't have satellite and the local on the 8s..

Rainfade is waaaay overrated. now snow can be an issue but how often does it snow in florida?

john_fla

join:2002-09-10
Gainesville, FL
reply to Rob_

Rob, how is DirecTV w/local channels?



SoonerAl
Premium,MVM
join:2002-07-23
Norman, OK
kudos:5
reply to BryanInPHX

said by BryanInPHX:

Every Showing in that list that states 1080p has a $ icon behind it, I assume that is PPV. Is any of the Free OnDemand content 1080p?

Is BBCA in HD yet on DTV?

I found two movies in 1080p that were on the free list. That's it although to be fair I did not spend a lot of time looking. Not being a user of OnDemand and not having a HDTV capable of doing 1080p makes this issue a moot point as far as I am concerned.

BBCA is not in HD on DIRECTV as of right now. This is one thing I miss from Cox. Being a big fan of Dramaville we miss that...
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"When all else fails read the instructions..."
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SoonerAl
Premium,MVM
join:2002-07-23
Norman, OK
kudos:5
reply to Rob_

said by Rob_:

What about rainfade issues? That's the main reason why I don't have satellite and the local on the 8s..

I don't know yet. We had a rainy period on Thursday but I saw no issues when I was watching. I can update that later when we get into severe wx season here. When I had Dish about 9 years ago I really don't remember a lot of issues with rainfade. Of course I only had SD in those days and not HD. I would be more concerned about snow but since we are not here in the winter anyway that will not be an issue for us...

As far as Local on the 8s every once in the while I get a local weather forecast, conditions, radar, etc segment from the Weather Channel during the national Local on the 8s. Its not every time but if I can get a screen capture of it I will. Its also not exactly like the Local on the 8s you see on Cox but its close. I guess I just need to sit in front of the TV with a can of cold beer in hand while watching the Weather Channel for an hour or so and try to capture a short video clip of it...
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Hoss
Sauters A Walrus

join:2000-10-05
Tulsa, OK
reply to Rob_

I live in Oklahoma as well and it's not just rainfade, from the friends I know who had either Dish or Direct...it's wind also, Alot I knew begrudgingly switched back to cable after one full severe weather season and many outages. Obviously, that won't be as bad in many other areas of the country. But it's the major reason I don't switch.



SoonerAl
Premium,MVM
join:2002-07-23
Norman, OK
kudos:5
reply to SoonerAl

FWIW here is the "Local on the 8s" segment that I see on the Weather Channel on DIRECTV Channel 362. Its keyed to the Zip code your receiver is configured for. I don't know if everyone in the country sees something similar in their area or not. You would need to visit a neighbor with DIRECTV to see what they actually get.

»tinyurl.com/Local8sDIRECTV
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dishrich

join:2006-05-12
Springfield, IL
reply to dvd536

said by dvd536:

AFAIK areas that are still MPEG2 are still HD-LITE.

There are NO such (HD) "areas" (channels) on EITHER DBS provider, & haven't been for at least 2-3+ years...


BillRoland
Premium
join:2001-01-21
Ocala, FL
kudos:3
Reviews:
·Cox HSI
reply to Rob_

I lost HD channels from "rain fade" only once in the year I've had it, during a severe thunderstorm. The SD channels continued to work right up until we lost power, at which point it didn't matter. When the power came back up, the HD channels were working fine again. I've had HD channels work fine through moderate and even heavy rain.



SoonerAl
Premium,MVM
join:2002-07-23
Norman, OK
kudos:5

I'm more concerned about possible hail or lightning damage to the dish and LNB. I sprang for the "Protection Plan" because of that...
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MS-MVP Windows Expert - Consumer


brad152

join:2006-07-27
Phoenix, AZ
Reviews:
·CenturyLink
reply to BillRoland

yeah same here with Dish Network and DirecTV when i lived in Ohio, i had satellite for three years and never had an issue with the channels going out unless it was a hell of a storm (so bad i'd be outside looking at the weather instead of the TV anyway) and when it went out it was only for ~5min at a time, and the locals never went out, those are always spot beamed to where they're broadcast so they will 99.9% of the time make it through just about anything.

if it makes any difference i always do my own Dish installs, as i find the techs sometimes have varying levels of caring, and that leads to some people with easy rain/wind fade, and others stand up excellently.


Rob_
Premium
join:2008-07-16
Mary Esther, FL
kudos:1

Well, $140.00 with 3 boxes (one DVR and two standard POS's) I might be inquiring about DISH. We can get HBO/Cinemax for around $90.00 or so a month but I think that's promotional (20 off)

That's still cheaper than Cox's overpriced CATV. All I want is an internet connection.

The HOPPER looks very cool and state of the art. I'll have to buy an antenna for WTVY (Yea, go JAGS) unless it's on Cox's Basic tier which I might keep, HD wise)



dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4

said by Rob_:

The HOPPER looks very cool and state of the art.

That got my attention until i discovered it was a DISH product.

dish. NEVER AGAIN!

tim85254

join:2010-07-15

said by dvd536:

said by Rob_:

The HOPPER looks very cool and state of the art.

That got my attention until i discovered it was a DISH product.

dish. NEVER AGAIN!

Ugh, no way I would I do that. I had a Dishplayer (one of the first DVR's). I think it was swapped seven times until I got them to upgrade me to their next DVR product, which had to be swapped out a couple of times too. Lousy customer service and billing problems. That Hopper box looks pretty but I don't want to get "the TV crashed again" phone call from home every other week.

Rob_
Premium
join:2008-07-16
Mary Esther, FL
kudos:1

Why? Dish is very state of the art.. it certanally beats this crap we got here. I hope soon, by default, Cox will be giving their 1.0 ghz tuners to all. (minus the fee) Not everyone wants a whole home DVR. When I was visiting my family up in TWC land, they ALREADY had the Cisco box but it wasn't a whole house DVR.



digiblur
Premium
join:2002-06-03
Louisiana
reply to SoonerAl

said by SoonerAl:

FWIW I just switched our TV over to DIRECTV with their whole house DVR system this past Sunday. I have a HR24 HD DVR in the living room and a H25 HD receiver in the family room providing TV for our two HDTVs. I choose not to spend the extra $99 up front for their newest HR34 HD DVR that is capable of recording five programs at a time since we have no plans to expand beyong our two existing HDTVs. So far the system we have is working flawlessly and we are very happy with it. DIRECTV claims I can record up to 100 hours of HD on the HR24 HD DVR depending on the recordings I make. If I get even half or 2/3rds of that I will be really happy...

The installation was first rate. The installer was quite knowledgeable and helpful answering all of my questions. The only issue we had was getting the wireless Cinema Connection Kit connected to my home guest wireless network. I typically use a long 63-character random ASCII key to protect my two wireless networks. Unfortunately the DIRECTV box only can use 26-characters using letters (upper or lower case) and numbers. So I had to dumb down, so to speak, the guest encryption key. Its still protected with WPA2-PSK [AES] but with a shorter key.

I still have Cox for HSI (Preferred tier) and telephone (Premier) which I am very happy with.

I switched over from DishNetwork to DirecTV last week. I couldn't be happier. Their Hopper/Joey system was a joke with only 3 tuners for the entire house. I went with the HR34 5 tuner DVR and 3 HD receivers. I ended up getting a second dual tuner DVR for free due to an issue I had but they resolved it quickly. It is nice to be able to watch any of the programming from any of the DVRs in any room. 7 tuners of recording is nice! I'm glad I got the 5 tuner model as that thing is a beast and holds a TON of programming. I record a lot of programming with it since I can record 5 things now. I have over 3 weeks of programming! The claim of 200 hours of HD is definitely not a joke.

I had them install the wired Cinema Connection as I didn't want another wireless device to deal with. The tech said no problem as he got paid to install the wired one and not the wireless one.

I definitely can't beat paying $50 a month either for all these HD channels and 2 DVRs Rainfade has not been an issue with this system either.
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Joe12345678

join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL
reply to Foxbat121

that's dish and they still have that part time RSN crap.


brad152

join:2006-07-27
Phoenix, AZ
Reviews:
·CenturyLink
reply to digiblur

the hopper has six tuners in it, that's how it can record up to six shows at once.

I just got one the other day, but i only have it installed in three rooms, but from what i can tell it has six since i was able to record four shows last night while watching two others.

I've had Dish off and on for about five years and never had any issues with any of their equipment, and to be honest i do find their SD channels to be of much better quality than Direc since they do not squeeze them all onto one satellite.


dishrich

join:2006-05-12
Springfield, IL

3 edits

said by brad152:

the hopper has six tuners in it, that's how it can record up to six shows at once.

You evidently didn't do a lot of (if any) research on this...

It ONLY has THREE actual (total) tuners in the Hopper, but because it uses only ONE of those tuners to record ALL prime-time shows from the 4 major networks, that's why they advertise (in all that fine print) record up to 6 live HD channels at once during prime-time. (all of those networks in each market are on a single x-ponder - THAT'S how ONE tuner does PTAT!)

If the majority of your TV recording/watch is prime time from the 4 major nets, that fine - but try watching &/or recording 6 different things from any OTHER channels you get at once, & watch what happens...

I assume you DO realize those "Joey" units in the other rooms have NO tuners in them at all; they have to steal one of those 3 tuners in the Hopper if you want to watch (& pause) live TV from them.
Sorry, but having 3 measly TOTAL tuners for being able to watch/record, would NEVER cut it just for myself!

Eventually, DISH is supposed to be making it so that you can add on a 2nd Hopper unit to your setup, so that BOTH Hoppers function as a 6-tuner WHD setup -with all the Joey(s) being able to see BOTH Hopper's hard drives; unfortunately, they have NOT released a date when that's going to happen. Knowing DISH as well as I do, I would NEVER buy something from them on a "supposed to" condition, until it's actually released AND working (properly).

Sorry, but if I was going to go the route of a "media-center DVR", I would have gone w/DirecTV - at least THEY had sense enough to put FIVE actual, separate, tuners in theirs - while STILL keeping another "live" tuner in each of their version of "Joey's". Their 4-room whole-house DVR gives you 8 total separate tuners.

You might want to see some of the other limitations of this H/J thing, since you are now stuck for 2 years:

»www.satelliteguys.us/dish-forum/···oey.html


digiblur
Premium
join:2002-06-03
Louisiana
reply to brad152

said by brad152:

the hopper has six tuners in it, that's how it can record up to six shows at once.

I just got one the other day, but i only have it installed in three rooms, but from what i can tell it has six since i was able to record four shows last night while watching two others.

I've had Dish off and on for about five years and never had any issues with any of their equipment, and to be honest i do find their SD channels to be of much better quality than Direc since they do not squeeze them all onto one satellite.

As stated, it's 3 tuners that is shared by the Joey's. No thanks. I like the DirecTV approach of 5 tuners in one room, and the other H25 (non-DVR receivers) can watch their own shows on their own tuners or choose to watch a recording.

You are comparing apples to oranges there on the satellites. DirecTV has the license for 32 transponders on 101 which is why they can put all the SD on there.
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Rob_
Premium
join:2008-07-16
Mary Esther, FL
kudos:1

I honestly think within the next 5-10 years, cable TV as we know it will cease to exist. For one, it's boring, for two it's expensive and watch how many people cut the cord. This is one reason why I want to see caps to be illegal. If a customer wants to just have internet only - let them! I'm coming really close to dropping cable at least for satellite. I can get 3 premiums for $120 and whole room dvr on DISH. Cox, my bill is $140.00 NO premiums, 3 boxes...


Hoss
Sauters A Walrus

join:2000-10-05
Tulsa, OK

said by Rob_:

I honestly think within the next 5-10 years, cable TV as we know it will cease to exist. For one, it's boring, for two it's expensive and watch how many people cut the cord. This is one reason why I want to see caps to be illegal. If a customer wants to just have internet only - let them! I'm coming really close to dropping cable at least for satellite. I can get 3 premiums for $120 and whole room dvr on DISH. Cox, my bill is $140.00 NO premiums, 3 boxes...

And as I've said in a previous quote, you video-cord cutters are likely the reason that caps are in place. They (cable cos) won't let you take away that revenue without some ramifications. And expect data prices to continue to go even higher unless you bundle with TV.

ajwees41
Premium
join:2002-05-10
Omaha, NE

said by Hoss:

said by Rob_:

I honestly think within the next 5-10 years, cable TV as we know it will cease to exist. For one, it's boring, for two it's expensive and watch how many people cut the cord. This is one reason why I want to see caps to be illegal. If a customer wants to just have internet only - let them! I'm coming really close to dropping cable at least for satellite. I can get 3 premiums for $120 and whole room dvr on DISH. Cox, my bill is $140.00 NO premiums, 3 boxes...

And as I've said in a previous quote, you video-cord cutters are likely the reason that caps are in place. They (cable cos) won't let you take away that revenue without some ramifications. And expect data prices to continue to go even higher unless you bundle with TV.

cox does not gve discounts on HSI fo having more then one service that I know of.

ajwees41
Premium
join:2002-05-10
Omaha, NE
reply to Rob_

Rob I don't think so, switch already if you hate cox prices. as long as people pay they will continue to raise rates.



dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4
reply to dishrich

said by dishrich:

said by brad152:

the hopper has six tuners in it, that's how it can record up to six shows at once.

You evidently didn't do a lot of (if any) research on this...

Yeah i saw that on their 2nd commercial in the fine print about only during primetime.

they make it sound like you can record any six channels at any one time which isn't true.