[NFL] Redskins acquire 2nd pick in draft - Sports Chat

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gallowsroad join:2004-08-09 Jenks, OK	reply to AB Re: [NFL] Redskins acquire 2nd pick in draft I take your point about it being only 4 spots. But I actually see the logic in Washington's larger position. The number of spots they rise in the draft order wasn't material to their decision - getting what they obviously believe will be a franchise quarterback in a league where teams without one languish around the .500 level (and worse) or exit the playoffs in the first round was, in their calculation, worth the price they paid in future picks. It was obvious Griffin was going to go #2, so it was a matter of obtaining that pick, and St. Louis had an asymmetrical advantage in the negotiating. Pay and get Griffin, or don't pay and someone else will. They do have some cap space to put some more players around Griffin, and their draft decisions the last two years have been light years better than the decade preceding. Maybe this works out, maybe Griffin is a bust. Impossible to tell, as the many high pick QBs who washed out proves. But if you get the right player and he does develop, you can solve the most important position in football for years to come. Drafting players, signing free agents, the entire thing is a calculated gamble. Maybe Washington got the math right for a change. Maybe I'll just flap my arms and fly to the moon. -- Ha ha haaaaaaa....ever get the feeling you've been cheated? - John Lydon, last Sex Pistols show
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The_ANoN @charter.com	People keep saying its a boneheaded move, but what else could Washington have done? Sit back and draft another receiver or RB.. or 2nd tier QB?? I think it was a great move.. Obviously, no one will know who the winner of this trade is until maybe 2-3 years down the road.. But like Gallowsroad said, the Rams had the clear advantage in this situation.. They knew other teams need their pick more.. so they could just sit back while teams go into a bidding war. The price was eventually going to get high. Washington NEEDS a QB now... I personally dont think what they gave up is as bad as what people are making it out to be.. They gave up TWO first rounders (not three) and a 2nd rounder.. And since when did the draft end after the 1st round? They still have around 8 picks in this year's draft and, not to mention, they are still $40 million+ under the cap so who knows what they'll do in Free Agency? They can spend $$ on and draft strictly offensive players now because their Defense is already above average (and they get LaRon Landry and Jarvis Jenkins back next season).. I think Washington might surprise people this season.
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elwoodblues Elwood Blues Premium join:2006-08-30 HarperLand Reviews: ·Cybersurf Intern..	We had the same issue in Toronto when it came to The Leafgs previous GM's gave away draft picks like candy when it came to acquiring something for the immediate(which never worked out anyway). I don't agree with giving away draft picks (and a shitload to boot) to acquire something that is a maybe. You've given up a chunk of your future for a possibility. -- No, I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake.......
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AB Premium join:2006-04-04 Leesburg, VA kudos:3 Reviews: ·Verizon Online DSL	reply to The_ANoN Jarvis Jenkins has never played a regular-season down in the NFL. LaRon Landry has run hot-and-cold his entire career, and unless I've missed some news, there's no guarantee he'll even be on the team come opening weekend. So I wouldn't want to pin too large of hopes on those two. Landry can be a factor when he's on the field. Jenkins looks like he well might be a good player. When you say "free agent" in D.C., heads drop in anticipation. (Of course, most of us are still getting used to the fact the 'Snyrato' team no longer takes care of that end of the business.) I'll put on a happy face: RGIII is the guy. Some quality free agents will be forthcoming. Gems will be found in some lower draft rounds. A couple of years from now, the Redskins will begin a long string of playoff appearances. Happy, happy, happy!
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Edge1 These go to 11. Premium join:2006-03-01 USA Reviews: ·Comcast ·Verizon Online DSL	reply to fatness Necessary move by the Skins, IMO. I may even want to watch them for a change . Jokes aside, you need a QB and the kid appears to have all the tools both physical and mental. Very gifted. Should be exciting for any Skins fan.
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rody_44 Premium join:2004-02-20 Quakertown, PA Reviews: ·Comcast 3 edits	reply to gallowsroad Cap space? You do know they have a cap about 18 million less than other teams for the next 2 years. The nfl fined them for front loading contracts last year when there was no cap. The 30 something million gets split in the next two years. The Red Skins are screwed at least for two years and probably at least 5. It takes more then a quarterback. Im not sure of the number but its staggering, something in the neighborhood of other teams can now spend 120 something and the skins are stuck at like 102 or around that. What one player do you spend it on. Someone to protect him or someone to catch his passes. In either case not only did they trade the draft picks but they have no cap space to acquire players.
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rody_44 Premium join:2004-02-20 Quakertown, PA Reviews: ·Comcast	reply to The_ANoN No they gave up three first rounders and a second rounder. If this guy gets hurt they gave up the next two first rounders, the second rounder and the first rounder they would have had this year. That equals three first rounders and one second rounder. If hes a bust or gets hurt you get nothing where you could have had them three and the one. im sure you would be hard pressed to find any team in history that has given so much for one guy. What else could have they did. HMMM would have been a lot less gamble to just sign a certain manning boy. Which when you think of it indy seems to be passing on this sure thing.
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Rook008 Miles To Go Premium join:2002-02-05 Far Rockaway, NY Reviews: ·Verizon FiOS ·RoadRunner Cable	reply to rody_44 Just read about that, the 'Skins and Cowboys both got hit: »espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/76773···ap-space -- "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats." - H. L. Mencken
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fatness subtle Janitor join:2000-11-17 fishing kudos:14 Host: Bright House Netwo.. TekSavvy Forum Feature Requ.. Need Site Help Rants, Raves, and ..	reply to AB said by AB: I know your response was to rody_44 's 'mortgaging' rather than mine, but what bothers me is this: The Redskins' continued trading away of future high-round picks to sign someone now. That would bother me greatly if they were trading the picks for a veteran whose career is half over or more, as they used to. They're trading it for a talented rookie QB who has a decent chance to be very good. I'm glad they gambled that way on Griffin. It's a QB-driven league now more than ever, with the ever-tighter rules on defenses. -- hey Dale
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fatness subtle Janitor join:2000-11-17 fishing kudos:14 Host: Bright House Netwo.. TekSavvy Forum Feature Requ.. Need Site Help Rants, Raves, and ..	reply to Rook008 said by Rook008: Just read about that, the 'Skins and Cowboys both got hit: »espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/76773···ap-space Yeah, that's a strange one. It (the league's action) seems to violate the old collective bargaining agreement and the new one. Both the Skins and the Cowboys can spread that cap hit over this year and next year. If the Skins do that they'll still be under the cap this year and next. I'd love to see them challenge the NFL on this one, after free agency and the draft are over of course. -- hey Dale
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rody_44 Premium join:2004-02-20 Quakertown, PA	40 million and they have 18 unsigned players. That isnt cap space.
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gallowsroad join:2004-08-09 Jenks, OK	reply to rody_44 said by rody_44: HMMM would have been a lot less gamble to just sign a certain manning boy. Which when you think of it indy seems to be passing on this sure thing. Wait. I love Peyton Manning. I think he is awesome. But no one has any idea if he can still throw like he used to, and more importantly he's 36. Signing him is exactly what the Skins used to do - catch excellent veterans at the end of their careers. Washington could have spent a lot of cash on Manning and had it all go bust, or see him retire in a year or two - what then? And Manning was never seriously considering DC anyway, so that wasn't even an option. Indy isn't passing on a sure thing, they are gambling their earned #1 pick on Luck, who is still considered the superior prospect, but as we all know when it comes to high caliber college QBs and the NFL, nothing at all is certain. Considering the mass expulsion of players in Indy, Luck is likely going to have a rough go of it initially as the Colts attempt to rebuild. Washington paid a very high price for Griffin. As a life long fan of the team it makes me very nervous to see this sort of all-in behavior because it does remind me of all of those vets who were paid fat contracts and never performed, aka "Danny-ball." The primary difference is this guy isn't a vet close to retirement, he is young top prospect. Think about last off-season - the entire discussion in DC, when translated from coach and pundit speak was whether Rex Grossman or John Beck would suck less (turns out they both sucked at even the basics). That kind of thinking will never get a team anywhere in a league that is becoming more and more biased toward the pass. As the player safety rules continue to change, I expect the recent spate of record breaking on the part of QBs to accelerate. So, in that context, DC bets the farm, and we get to see what happens. But as I said up thread, all of this stuff is a huge ass gamble. When those gambles work out, the people responsible look like super geniuses, and when they fail, they look like Wile E. Coyote, the other type of super genius. -- Ha ha haaaaaaa....ever get the feeling you've been cheated? - John Lydon, last Sex Pistols show
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rody_44 Premium join:2004-02-20 Quakertown, PA Reviews: ·Comcast	I know Manning wasnt a sure thing thats for sure. But its being unfair to Manning to compare him to guys like Grossman and beck. At least with manning they dont gamble the future away. Just way to much to pay for any one player. The rams are the brilliant ones. Imagine how good they will be in 4 years. They may just end up with the number 1 and two picks next year. Than since the skins are so constrained by the cap end up with the number one the next year.
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AB Premium join:2006-04-04 Leesburg, VA kudos:3 Reviews: ·Verizon Online DSL	reply to fatness said by fatness: I'm glad they gambled that way on Griffin. I'll be glad when I see him running the offense in preseason like a guy who knows just exactly what he's doing. Which won't prevent from wearing my happy face now anyway. He's The Guy. Life is all good. No more worries, mate. Happy, happy face.
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rody_44 Premium join:2004-02-20 Quakertown, PA	Good luck with that. That isnt happening.
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gallowsroad join:2004-08-09 Jenks, OK	reply to rody_44 said by rody_44: I know Manning wasnt a sure thing thats for sure. But its being unfair to Manning to compare him to guys like Grossman and beck. At least with manning they dont gamble the future away. Just way to much to pay for any one player. The rams are the brilliant ones. Imagine how good they will be in 4 years. They may just end up with the number 1 and two picks next year. Than since the skins are so constrained by the cap end up with the number one the next year. Whoa. I wasn't comparing Manning to Grossman or Beck. Not at all. My point was the talk in DC last year was essentially which of the latter two would hurt the offense least. The talk now will be about Griffin and what he might be able to do in a positive sense for the offense. There wasn't any comparison to Manning at all. Neither Beck nor Grossman has a snowball's chance of winding up in the hall of fame. Manning is a bit of an unknown proposition for any team right now (though I hope he signs somewhere and has a good last few years - he is a pleasure to watch, IMO). Signing him wasn't Washington's best option, and was a non-starter anyway as Manning wasn't interested. The minute that became clear, Washington pulled the trigger. In just a few seasons we'll know if it was an expensive, smart move or a disaster, or, (in some ways worse), something in between. I hope the Rams do manage to get out of the basement with the bounty of picks they've acquired. I'm a transplant to Oklahoma, so seeing Bradford do well would be great. I do wonder about his longevity - he's had injury troubles that date back to his college days. If he stays healthy and management finds him some protection and targets, they could get pretty good in a hurry. -- Ha ha haaaaaaa....ever get the feeling you've been cheated? - John Lydon, last Sex Pistols show
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AB Premium join:2006-04-04 Leesburg, VA kudos:3 Reviews: ·Verizon Online DSL	reply to rody_44 said by rody_44: Good luck with that. That isnt happening. Oh, no. My happy face is happening. It's happening right now. Look:
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rody_44 Premium join:2004-02-20 Quakertown, PA Reviews: ·Comcast 1 edit	reply to fatness Ouch. It looks like that 40 million is dropping fast. Going by this site »profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20···arch-11/ the 40 million included the 16 million. As of now they show the skins at 31.7 million under the cap. The problem is they also show the other teams at 120 something. The penalty to the skins raised the cap to 122 something so that means they currently sit at 31.7 plus the three million they picked up minus the 16 million dollar penalty. that leaves them somewhere in the neighborhood of 18 million with 18 players to sign. Not a good hand to be playing at all. maybe im reading something wrong tho. So far it looks like they rolled the dice and threw snake eyes.
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amorris525 join:2007-03-01 Sterling, VA	This whole salary cap fine thing is very fishy. First of all, the Redskins and Cowboys released a statement which said that they have heard nothing from the league and will be acting as normal. The basis for the fine is that they frontloaded contracts in the uncapped year. There was no rule against this, just a "gentleman's agreement" not to do it. It could be argued the NFL was colluding to keep salaries low and the Cowboys and Redskins went against those two teams. It's also very fishy that one of the Maras, the family that owns the Giants, is THE HEAD of the council that imposed these fines. This story is far from finished.
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rody_44 Premium join:2004-02-20 Quakertown, PA Reviews: ·Comcast 4 edits	Its the nfl and not unlike the Belichek cheating or whats going to happen to the saints for offering bounties. No official rule against it but its considered cheating. The penalty has already been decided behind closed doors. Notice in the press release he specifies they have not received a WRITTEN report from the league. Maybe its false but i doubt it. It has some pretty good sources and neither team really denied it. They just deny doing it. Also they say they are looking forward to free agency but they dont say they plan on spending the normal cap. You dont consider front loading contracts cheating considering the lack of the cba? Because i sure would. But if you want to consider cheating a strong word lets just go with righting a wrong.
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