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Trimline
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[Equipment] For Those Looking for an Atom Based PC For Asterisk

I use the Lenovo Q100's series for my asterisk system. Lenovo has the newer Q180's on sale for a few days. I just ordered another one - see the specs. These are extremely quiet, and can be had at a very good price.

»shop.lenovo.com/us/desktops/idea···ies/q180


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Re: [Equipment] For Those Looking for an Atom Based PC For Aster

A new PIAF 2 release came out recently, and they are (for the first time I can remember) advocating a "homebrew" PC. This setup is around $200-250.
»nerdvittles.com/?p=810
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I bought a barebones ZOTAC box for my last Asterisk build. Put in some RAM and a cheap SSD and the total was under $300 plus tax.


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said by ajhaji:

I bought a barebones ZOTAC box for my last Asterisk build. Put in some RAM and a cheap SSD and the total was under $300 plus tax.

I saw that as well, but had difficulty determining what parts I needed. It was all very intriguing. When I found the Q180's had pretty much everything, I pressed the buy button. No fuss, no muss.

They work well as an HTPC too...

I am an equipment junkie. Let me know the stats on your ZOTAC.


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Just a few days ago I posted something related this regarding hp thin clients.

»www.mgraves.org/2012/03/hp-thin-···n-hosts/

These can be had with Atom or Via cpus for under $200 ready to roll.
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enjoying the inflight wifi?


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reply to mgraves1
said by mgraves1:

Just a few days ago I posted something related this regarding hp thin clients.

»www.mgraves.org/2012/03/hp-thin-···n-hosts/

These can be had with Atom or Via cpus for under $200 ready to roll.

Excellent prices, I just may order one on Monday as a test box. I've always had extremely good results with HP products. Small and quiet is a must for me, seen and not heard is my motto.

Thanks for the info.


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Almost makes me sorry I picked up a T23 for $100, but I saved a few bucks, have a built in "UPS" and a screen for initial install. Still, it's a used machine from way back when (P3 1.2/1GB/20GB). Those thin clients really are the way to go if you're rolling out new stuff and reliability's the key.
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This is an alternative option. I like dealing with this company, quick turnaround, competitive pricing, quality products:

»www.mini-box.com/M350-enclosure-···-adapter

»www.mini-box.com/Intel-D2500CCE-···herboard

Just add 2G of memory and a SSD and you are done.


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said by gweidenh:

enjoying the inflight wifi?

Nah, that was done on my G2 while at IAH. Pity the Galaxy Nexus I ordered didn't deliver in time to come along to the UK.


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said by Trimline:

I am an equipment junkie. Let me know the stats on your ZOTAC.

I got the ZOTAC ID12-U barebone, which is an Atom D525 (dual-core 1.8 GHz). Popped in 2 GB of DDR3 RAM, a 40 GB Intel SSD, and you're done. It's a great little box. Quite quiet. The only thing that isn't so nice is that the HDMI port only supports resolutions up to 720p. So this wouldn't be a good choice for an HTPC.


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said by ajhaji:

said by Trimline:

I am an equipment junkie. Let me know the stats on your ZOTAC.

I got the ZOTAC ID12-U barebone, which is an Atom D525 (dual-core 1.8 GHz). Popped in 2 GB of DDR3 RAM, a 40 GB Intel SSD, and you're done. It's a great little box. Quite quiet. The only thing that isn't so nice is that the HDMI port only supports resolutions up to 720p. So this wouldn't be a good choice for an HTPC.

The thin clients suggested by Mike are more than good enough for the application but cheaper than the Zotacs by a large margin. With that being said, I use on of those little ATOM boxes (an Acer Aspire REVO 3610) as my main media player (Linux + XBMC).
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For HTPC applications, you will need a model with the Nvidia ION chipset or similar GPU.

With that config, the lil Zotac box can spit out 1080p


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said by gweidenh:

For HTPC applications, you will need a model with the Nvidia ION chipset or similar GPU.

With that config, the lil Zotac box can spit out 1080p

NVidia ION is a great chipset for HD video playback. Might be a bit of an overkill for an * box
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said by FiReSTaRT:

With that being said, I use on of those little ATOM boxes (an Acer Aspire REVO 3610) as my main media player (Linux + XBMC).

I don't know how much you had spent your $$$ on the hardware to do XBMC. However, I believe one can achieve the same (and may be better) for as little as $25 with a RaspBerryPi (NOT RaspBerryPie).
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1 recommendation

As much as a love the RasBerry Pi, lets be honest.

1) It has yet to ship
2) Has no US distribution
3) Does not come with a power supply, or USB network dongle, USB harddrive, or USB hub or many other necessary items to make this a working HTPC system (read: its not really $25)
4) Does not have a GPU that really can come close to anything the Atom/Ion combo delivers.

borntochill

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said by mgraves1:

Just a few days ago I posted something related this regarding hp thin clients.

»www.mgraves.org/2012/03/hp-thin-···n-hosts/

These can be had with Atom or Via cpus for under $200 ready to roll.

Anyone know what the real-world power footprint looks like running PiaF 2 on one of these thin clients such as the HP T5565? Its power supply is rated at 65w but will it actually use that much?

For us, it's a consideration since there is the question of whether the added PBX versatility/utility is worth the roughly extra $80-90 per year in electricity going forward in our SOHO setup. I'm aware of PlugPBX alternatives, but the relative ease of installation and power of a PiaF installation sounds much more appealing since I'm inexperienced in both Linux and Asterisk.

The main goal is GV integration with new IP phones so maybe something like $35/year SIPSorcery plan or using an Obi110 as a proxy might be more cost effective. Dunno.


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said by borntochill:

said by mgraves1:

Just a few days ago I posted something related this regarding hp thin clients.

»www.mgraves.org/2012/03/hp-thin-···n-hosts/

These can be had with Atom or Via cpus for under $200 ready to roll.

Anyone know what the real-world power footprint looks like running PiaF 2 on one of these thin clients such as the HP T5565? Its power supply is rated at 65w but will it actually use that much?

For us, it's a consideration since there is the question of whether the added PBX versatility/utility is worth the roughly extra $80-90 per year in electricity going forward in our SOHO setup. I'm aware of PlugPBX alternatives, but the relative ease of installation and power of a PiaF installation sounds much more appealing since I'm inexperienced in both Linux and Asterisk.

The main goal is GV integration with new IP phones so maybe something like $35/year SIPSorcery plan or using an Obi110 as a proxy might be more cost effective. Dunno.

On the Q180, and I'm sure most of the related siblings, the power is quoted as:

Save Energy—and Money.
Power consumption for most tasks is only 20W, making the Q180 exceptionally energy efficient. Indeed, it uses 80 percent less energy than a traditional desktop, helping the environment and keeping your electricity bills low.

»shop.lenovo.com/us/itemdetails/3···CC8A1ACC

Running these small foot prints on Linux would not consume as much monthly $$ as a hosted service. I'm not sure what a few ATA's consume, but I'm going to guess it would be about the same, or less, as hosting your own small server. Certainly not $80-$90 per year.

Edit: Added my own annual costs for electricity:

20 Watts × 24 hours/day × 365 days/year) ÷ 1000
= 48 kWh × 14.5 cents/kWh
= $6.96/year ÷ 12
= .58 per month


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said by mazilo:

said by FiReSTaRT:

With that being said, I use on of those little ATOM boxes (an Acer Aspire REVO 3610) as my main media player (Linux + XBMC).

I don't know how much you had spent your $$$ on the hardware to do XBMC. However, I believe one can achieve the same (and may be better) for as little as $25 with a RaspBerryPi (NOT RaspBerryPie).

About $200 shipped, without an OS (not that I needed one) at the time when RaspberryPi wasn't even on the horizon. Not sure how good it is at decoding compressed hidef video, but who knows.. The REVO has been serving me well since 09
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said by borntochill:

Anyone know what the real-world power footprint looks like running PiaF 2 on one of these thin clients such as the HP T5565? Its power supply is rated at 65w but will it actually use that much?

I've used T5700 series for several years and in various capacities. The models that I have were recycled. That is, they were being sent to Dell to be recycled by a major broadcaster. A friend saw the box and held it for me. Since they pay Dell to recycle that sort of thing it was as win-win.

Mine are older so Transmeta Crusoe CPUs, but my kilawatt meter proves to me that they don't ever draw more than 11 watts. That even after I installed a laptop hard drive and a second NIC in an expansion chasis.

Since I live in hurricane alley I'm very concerned about power draw on UPS/generator. These thin clients are in fact the smallest power draw in my entire arsenal of technology.
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said by gweidenh:

As much as a love the RasBerry Pi, lets be honest.

1) It has yet to ship
2) Has no US distribution
3) Does not come with a power supply, or USB network dongle, USB harddrive, or USB hub or many other necessary items to make this a working HTPC system (read: its not really $25)
4) Does not have a GPU that really can come close to anything the Atom/Ion combo delivers.

As someone who once tried running Astlinux on Gumstix you are 100% right on-the-money. There's a huge difference between testbed platforms for experimentation and production systems, even for home use. I still have the Gumstix hardware, but it sits idle, too inconvenient to stay in use.
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borntochill

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said by Trimline:

On the Q180, and I'm sure most of the related siblings, the power is quoted as:

Save Energy—and Money.
Power consumption for most tasks is only 20W, making the Q180 exceptionally energy efficient. Indeed, it uses 80 percent less energy than a traditional desktop, helping the environment and keeping your electricity bills low.

»shop.lenovo.com/us/itemdetails/3···CC8A1ACC

Running these small foot prints on Linux would not consume as much monthly $$ as a hosted service. I'm not sure what a few ATA's consume, but I'm going to guess it would be about the same, or less, as hosting your own small server. Certainly not $80-$90 per year.

Edit: Added my own annual costs for electricity:

20 Watts × 24 hours/day × 365 days/year) ÷ 1000
= 48 kWh × 14.5 cents/kWh
= $6.96/year ÷ 12
= .58 per month

That's very helpful, although I believe your calculation is wrong. Wouldn't that be 175.2 kWh per year? If so, 20W @ 14.5cents/kWh, would give you an annual electricity cost of $25.40.

In my post above, I calculated 65W @ 15cents/kWh to be about $85.41/year extra electricity. If real-world usage is only 20 watts, that's a much more acceptable bite. Still I'd need to factor in both the electricity and hardware cost compared to, say, a $35/year SipSorcery plan which has no hardware/electricity expense.

I guess the question is: in a SOHO setting, do the added features of hosting one's own Asterisk server make it worth spending the extra money and time?

Edit: for the lazy, here is the first of numerous power cost calculators that came up in google: »www.citytrf.net/costs_calculator.htm.

borntochill

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said by mgraves1:

I've used T5700 series for several years and in various capacities.
...
Mine are older so Transmeta Crusoe CPUs, but my kilawatt meter proves to me that they don't ever draw more than 11 watts. That even after I installed a laptop hard drive and a second NIC in an expansion chasis.

Good to know. Thanks.

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said by Trimline:

20 Watts × 24 hours/day × 365 days/year) ÷ 1000
= 48 kWh × 14.5 cents/kWh
= $6.96/year ÷ 12
= .58 per month

20 Watts × 24 hours/day × 365 days/year) ÷ 1000
= 175.2 kWh × 14.5 cents/kWh
= $25.40/year ÷ 12
= $2.12 per month

[Edit] Just spotted borntochill's post. Sorry for the duplication.
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said by gweidenh:

1) It has yet to ship

Read this to find out more.

2) Has no US distribution

Not ATM. But, I hope it soon will be.

3) Does not come with a power supply, or USB network dongle, USB harddrive, or USB hub or many other necessary items to make this a working HTPC system (read: its not really $25)

Read this to find out more.

4) Does not have a GPU that really can come close to anything the Atom/Ion combo delivers.

Read the FAQ (see section: What SoC are you using?) and you will find out how many GPUs a RaspberryPi has.
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I'm glad you agree with me.

Cal96

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This was posted recently in the NSLU2-General forum regarding the Raspberry Pi. »tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/···age/8572

Although a very interesting device for its intended educational purpose, the Raspberry Pi will have a few strikes going against it as a replacement for the NSLU2 with regards to being NAS. First, for the time being, it doesn't ship with a case and it's a bit vulnerable being naked. Also, from information in the RPi forums, it doesn't look like its USB ports will deliver enough current to power a 2.5" USB hard drive whereas the NSLU2 can.


borntochill

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The Foxconn nT435H Book-size Intel Atom D425 barebones kit was on sale yesterday at Newegg for just $89.99 with a promo code. Dude!

»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···56119051

I ordered one. When it arrives I'll throw a stick of RAM and a used laptop drive in it and take it out for a spin with PiaF 2. I think it's back to $129 today but various flavors of these Foxconn kits go on sale periodically at Newegg so this probably isn't your last opportunity to pick one up on the cheap.


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Are you shitting me? I signed up for price alerts, and they didn't send me squat. I've even been checking NewEgg daily. Bastards.
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They have a forum to share deals like that. I've picked up a few good things. I have it in my favorites so I see any new posts.

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