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Nuckfuts
Premium
join:2003-10-18
Joliet, IL
reply to antdude

Re: [Satellite] Satellite Newbie Questions

AT&T U-Verse uses the most compresion for HD. Cable is a tossup. DirecTV as I know has great HDPQ and with a good installer you will get a good signal and will not see much to no signal loss in rain (only lost TV once for like 5 minutes because of a bad storm) since I had it installed last year.



antdude
A Ninja Ant
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-25
United State
kudos:4
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable

said by Nuckfuts:

AT&T U-Verse uses the most compresion for HD. Cable is a tossup. DirecTV as I know has great HDPQ and with a good installer you will get a good signal and will not see much to no signal loss in rain (only lost TV once for like 5 minutes because of a bad storm) since I had it installed last year.

I wonder how cable TV's picture quality will be in area (La Habra Heights, CA, 90631).


Hayward
K A R - 1 2 0 C
Premium
join:2000-07-13
Key West, FL
kudos:1
reply to comp

said by comp:

Direct TV is better for sports, Dish can be cheaper

OnlyIF you life revolves around sell out to DTV NFL Sunday hundreds of $$$ rip off.
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comp
Premium
join:2001-08-16
Evans City, PA

It has nothing to do with that. They offer every RSN in HD which is great for all sports packages and college sports


videonex

join:2001-07-22

1 recommendation

reply to antdude

Your area was completely rebuilt by Adelphia around 2002. Time Warner has done some other upgrades since. Overall quality is good. Price was the issue for me. Dish is essentially paying for my TWC Internet with my TV savings. Only minimal changes in TV package.



antdude
A Ninja Ant
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join:2001-03-25
United State
kudos:4
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable

said by videonex:

Your area was completely rebuilt by Adelphia around 2002. Time Warner has done some other upgrades since. Overall quality is good. Price was the issue for me. Dish is essentially paying for my TWC Internet with my TV savings. Only minimal changes in TV package.

Dish's minimal as in which package? Welcome or America's Top 120 package? I read that Welcome package doesn't carry HD and only American Top 120 and higher packages do.


antdude
A Ninja Ant
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-25
United State
kudos:4
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
reply to videonex

said by videonex:

Your area was completely rebuilt by Adelphia around 2002. Time Warner has done some other upgrades since. Overall quality is good. Price was the issue for me. Dish is essentially paying for my TWC Internet with my TV savings. Only minimal changes in TV package.

Oh, La Habra Heights area got rebuilt too? Awesome. I remember the neighbor cities got theirs back then like in Hacienda Heights.

videonex

join:2001-07-22
reply to antdude

Minimal change in TV package, from TWC to DISH, 99% same channels, 99% same HD, $50.00 less than TWC. Internet alone is $52.99. Internet is $5 more than in previous package. Net saving about $48 over TWC bundle. Use VOIPo for telephone, prepaid for 2 yrs = about 7.50/mo. You may do very well with new customer discounts but TWC was only willing to meet me half way when I called and asked for a price match.



antdude
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join:2001-03-25
United State
kudos:4
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable

said by videonex:

Minimal change in TV package, from TWC to DISH, 99% same channels, 99% same HD, $50.00 less than TWC. Internet alone is $52.99. Internet is $5 more than in previous package. Net saving about $48 over TWC bundle. Use VOIPo for telephone, prepaid for 2 yrs = about 7.50/mo. You may do very well with new customer discounts but TWC was only willing to meet me half way when I called and asked for a price match.

I am not planning to get its VoIP. If it is free, then fine. I am sticking with cellular phone and landline. I do NOT want to put everything in one basket/company.


btB

@rr.com
reply to videonex

said by videonex:

Minimal change in TV package, from TWC to DISH, 99% same channels, 99% same HD, $50.00 less than TWC. Internet alone is $52.99. Internet is $5 more than in previous package. Net saving about $48 over TWC bundle. Use VOIPo for telephone, prepaid for 2 yrs = about 7.50/mo. You may do very well with new customer discounts but TWC was only willing to meet me half way when I called and asked for a price match.

Can you tell me which Dish & TWC packages you are comparing? For it to be that much of a difference, it sounds like the top-of-the-line where you get every channel in existence.

videonex

join:2001-07-22

said by btB :

Can you tell me which Dish & TWC packages you are comparing? For it to be that much of a difference, it sounds like the top-of-the-line where you get every channel in existence.

Almost, Everything but NO PREMIUMS. Although the Dish promo included HBO, Cinemax and Starz for the first 3 mos. Found I never used them so dropped them at end of promo.

Overall, I had no problems with TWC service. Still don't with internet only. But the Dish promo was too good to pass up. My budget has been tight. Have to make every penny count. Channel line ups are not exact, but close enough and my minimum requirements were met by Dish.

I wouldn't use TWC phone, too expensive. That's why I use VOIPo, www.voipo.com, 'cuz I won't touch AT&T or non-Fios Verizon with a 10 foot pole either.


Steve Mehs
Gun Control Is Using A Steady Hand
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1 recommendation

reply to antdude

I’ve had them all. Time Warner Cable until 1998 (analog only obviously). Dish Network from 1998 to 2004. DirecTV from 2004 to 2006, and again as of last month. Time Warner Cable again (Digital this time) from 2006 to present for TV. Been with TW for internet since 2004, and phone since 2010. So right now I’m rockin’ both DirecTV and Time Warner. I hated DirecTV when I first had it, in fact, I’m still not too fond of it, but last year when they had their free NFL Sunday Ticket promo, I was going to sign up, but didn’t. But pulled the trigger earlier this year when MSG was pulled from TW. And a week after I got DirecTV installed, TW and MSG come to an agreement, go figure.

Dish Network is one company I’ll never do business with again. Charlie Ergan, yes I know he’s not CEO anymore, but he’s still involved with the company he founded, is an arrogant, self absorbed, greedy rat miser. He hates sports, has no respect for sports fans and ran that company on a shoe string budget while saying ‘he’s trying to protect customers from increased programming costs’ all while lining his own pocket. He has no respect for NYers. Dish never carried YES, the home of the NY Yankees, because it ‘was too expensive’. I’m sorry, this is the most storied sports franchise in the country, the sports franchise with the most championships in any professional sport, they have one of the largest, if not the largest following. So yes, YES does have a right to ask a higher cost. When it came time for MSG/MSG Plus, Dish fought a little, but ended up dropping them, leaving NYers with no hockey or basketball. And unlike TW, MSG didn’t come back a month and a half later. And then last year, Dish Network just said screw NY, and dropped the one channel they had that still showed any NY sports, SNY, the home of the Mets.

And it’s not just NY, a little over a year ago, Dish Network had a spat with News Corp which resulted in FX, Nat Geo and all of the Fox owned FSN affiliates nationwide being pulled. They were back on a month later. I left Dish during the Viacom dispute in 2004. Dish also pulled the HD feeds of ESPNEWS, ABC Family, Disney and Disney XD, those have yet to return. I know all MSOs and programming providers have disputes, DirecTV had them with Versus and G4. Time Warner with MSG, LIN, HDNet. But it seems like Dish has them much more frequently than others. And when disputes happens, Dish Network usually winds up pulling the channels, and very rarely gets them back. Most of the channels DirecTV or Time Warner have pulled have returned to the lineup at some point. An entire novel can be written about Dish Network and programming disputes because the company is so damn cheap.

With Time Warner I have Signature Home Premium View, Sports Pass, HD Tier, Latino Tier, NHL Center Ice and MLB Extra Innings. The equipment is two Cisco Explorer 8642HDC Multiroom HD DVRs. With DirecTV I have Premier, the HD Extra Pack, the new HR-34 5 Tuner HD DVR and a H-20 HD receiver . Most people hate Time Warner’s Navigator firmware on their boxes, but I’ve had no problems with it. I was not a fan of DirecTVs UI, I’ve be downloading the CE beta firmware releases for the HR-34. So I have the new updated HD GUI, which I’m not impressed with. With both versions of the DirecTV GUI, the cover art in the guide adds too much clutter, and I am in no way a fan of the ads for the premium movie channels and On Demand content randomly inserted into the EPG. While the TW GUI may be kind of plain and in the 4:3 aspect ratio, I still like it better. Channel changing with the HR-34 has been painfully slow, often the audio starts a second or two before the video, I often get ‘Your TV doesn’t support this resolution’ error. Four times now the 3D channels wouldn’t display right, a red button reset solves the problem until it happens again. DirecTV also lacks many HD channels that I enjoy that Time Warner carries. While channel changing was slow, with the old UI, the EPG and menus were lightning fast. With the HD update, everything slowed down a bit. I kniw I’m running beta firmware, and have no real right to complain, as I updated at my own risk, but it’s a bit disheartening that the most advanced satellite receiver in the country sucks so bad.

I’ve done some extensive picture quality comparisons. The conclusion I came to, DirecTV has better color saturation, that makes things pop more and really shows off what my $3600 TV is capable of. Time Warner’s picture quality, I never considered bad, but when comparing the two doing A-B comparisons, DirecTV has a slight edge, but it’s not as big as I initially thought. But it really doesn’t matter since many channels I watch such as H2, ID, Cooking Channel, Nat Geo Wild and others are not available on DirecTV in HD, so it really doesn’t matter if DirecTV was broadcasting is super-duper HD, watching it in HD on Time Warner is better than watching it on DirecTV in SD.

My uncle, bless his poor soul, still has Dish Network. He has 2 722 receivers, I think that’s what they are. I’m not a fan at all. I can’t stand the GUI and menuing structure. I hate that big advertisement on the bottom of the EPG. He has SDTV and an HDTV. The HDTV is a smaller, maybe 32” Sony from Walmart. Clearly not in the same category as my TV, but judging from what I’ve seen at his house in SD and HD, and my experience with Dish Network with SD, picture quality is not to my liking. Extremely washed out looking, compression artifacts more noticeable then they should be.

Dish Network promotes themselves as a low end budget provider, which is okay, if that’s your thing. I like premium and high end. Dish also has had more than a few debacles making themselves look foolish. Pocket Dish was an utter failure, the whole Super Dish thing was just dumb, this Blockbuster Movie Pass thing is sinking quickly. Their partnership with Standband to offer a satellite TV /satellite Internet bundle went down in flames. Now they’re on a buying spree. Instead of spending money on programming, they’ve pissed away billions of dollars on crap. Blockbuster was one step away from death, HughesNet is something no body really wants, but is used as a last resort. Now they want to get into the LTE game. They have some type of plan to be some super satellite/movie/wireless internet service, but it will crash and burn, and as that happens I will be laughing because Dish Network is a second rate company that can’t do anything right.
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For the future of our nation, we must unite and vote out the terrorist known as Hussein Obama. Come November 6 2012 we must remove the socialist pig out of office and get our country back on the RIGHT track.



antdude
A Ninja Ant
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-25
United State
kudos:4

Steve Mehs: Interesting and thanks. I wonder how many people hate Dish. I know a lot of friends with DirecTV.

I don't care sports much. I do watch Super Bowl (not regular games :P), Lakers, and USC Trojans football once in a while with OTA.



p110011

join:2001-12-29
Oregon City, OR
reply to antdude

Been with Dish for over two years and HD is better than my area's Comcast. I have the "America's Top 200" package and HD for life. Got the 722vip DVR with a 20' HDMI cable running to 2nd HD set, and RG6 going to a three way splitter feeding older sets SD signals. One remote in the livingroom is IR and stays there, the other remote is RF and I can use it throughout the house. (RF passes through walls. Got this for 50 bucks for one year, after that it goes to 60.



Steve Mehs
Gun Control Is Using A Steady Hand
Premium
join:2005-07-16
kudos:1

1 recommendation

reply to antdude

For the LA Lakers, this is the last year for them on KCAL and FSN West. Time Warner is launching their own regional sports network for the LA area that will be the exclusive home for LA Lakers (and LA Sparks) basketball for at least the next 20 years. Along with one of the LA area MLS teams, can’t remember if it’s the Galaxy or Chivas USA. Obviously Time Warner will carry this channel, DirecTV no doubt will carry it, I‘ll be shocked if Dish carries it, I’m highly doubtful they will. Dish has already given the middle finger to the #1 NBA market in the country, why not piss off the #2 market as well.

As far as people hating Dish. They lost 166,000 subscribers in 2011. I don’t have the year end numbers in front of me, but in 3Q alone DirecTV added nearly a third of a million subscribers, in the 4Q they added another 125,000.

Lots of no longer used Dish Network dishes bolted on roofs and sides of houses around here. Aside from Columbus, OH, Buffalo is the smallest NHL market in the US, but we have the highest NHL TV ratings in the country. When Dish pulled MSG, they lost a lot of Sabres fans in the Western NY area.
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For the future of our nation, we must unite and vote out the terrorist known as Hussein Obama. Come November 6 2012 we must remove the socialist pig out of office and get our country back on the RIGHT track.



antdude
A Ninja Ant
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-25
United State
kudos:4
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable

said by Steve Mehs:

For the LA Lakers, this is the last year for them on KCAL and FSN West. Time Warner is launching their own regional sports network for the LA area that will be the exclusive home for LA Lakers (and LA Sparks) basketball for at least the next 20 years. Along with one of the LA area MLS teams, can’t remember if it’s the Galaxy or Chivas USA. Obviously Time Warner will carry this channel, DirecTV no doubt will carr y it, I‘ll be shocked if Dish carries it, I’m highly doubtful they will. Dish has already given the middle finger to the #1 NBA market in the country, why not piss off the #2 market as well.

As far as people hating Dish. They lost 166,000 subscribers in 2011. I don’t have the year end numbers in front of me, but in 3Q alone DirecTV added nearly a third of a million subscribers, in the 4Q they added another 125,000.

Lots of no longer used Dish Network dishes bolted on roofs and sides of houses around here. Aside from Columbus, OH, Buffalo is the smallest NHL market in the US, but we have the highest NHL TV ratings in the country. When Dish pulled MSG, they lost a lot of Sabres fans in the Western NY area.

Interesting. Oh well, I can live without Lakers. I barely watch them on OTA. I do watch them for big games (Celtics, finals, etc.), but usually at the endings for close games. I knew about KCAL9's contract ending this season, but I didn't know FSN West was losing it too. I will keep in mind that Dish hates NBA. NBA isn't important to me these days due to lack of time.

zeddlar

join:2007-04-09
Jay, OK
Reviews:
·exede by ViaSat
·McDonald County ..
reply to Steve Mehs

LOL, you can change that guide format on dish network in several ways and you can take that advertisement banner off as well. Blockbuster is going strong and will continue to do so simply for the fact that they have as good or better selection as Netflix and they can offer movies the day they are released on disk and they are cheaper than Netflix and now with being partnered with Dish, most movies are availible for streaming the same day they are released on disk through the dish DVR, no extra equipment needed aside from having a broadband connection hooked to the DVR. The only real sports options I don't have anything but network access too are NFL and Nascar. I do get those games on network channels just like everyone else but there is no sunday ticket type of deal like DirecTV offers. I can however get MLB, NHL and many other packages.

You might be right aboput the network wars but I can say that in 14 years on Dish, I have never once seen a miscalculation on my bill, very few and very small rate hikes and the only problem I have ever had with them is I had a DVR go bad a couple of years back and when I sent it in they said it had some kind of Biohazard or some Jargin and charged me for it. I dunno if they were reffering to the dust in it (I run a chicken farm with 250'000 chickens, so there is dust galore) or if they found a spider in it or what but anyhow they did charge me for it and I could have likely beaten it if I had tried but decided to let it slide. I routinely call in and ask what specials are availible for me and get free movie channels and all kinds of things on a regular basis like free PPV movies so I wouldn't call them especially cheap, LOL. There are not many companies left out there that give customer loyalty awards on a regular basis like dish does. Although I do have to concede that these offers are not readily availible and simple to get, you do usually have to call to get them. I think that is changing now though with the new Dish rewards setup on their website.

The one time I had DirecTV years ago, the standard proggraming was run by one company and the premium channels was run by another company and I recieved a bill from each company and they were constantly screwing my bills up every month so I dropped them and have never looked back. My sister had service from them like 5 years ago and she had consistant billing problems as well so I dunno what the problem is but I won't take a chance on them again. Thats not to say DirecTV is a bad company, just my personal andd family experiance and I know many people that are happy with their service.

As for the unused Dish network dishes, The NFL Sunday ticket offering is responsible for alot of that and I hope those people that switched for that reason have the sense to kill that before their year is up or that is going to hurt, LOL.

As for which is better, like everyone has said, OTA is way better but I have a high end TV and Dish and a freind of mind has nerly the same TV and Directv for the NFL Sunday ticket and I can't really tell a whole lot of differance in the two, but my father-in-law has just OTA and also a high end TV and his picture quality is way better than either of ours. The biggest place you see a difference is during scenes where there is alot of motion on the tv becuase HD sets have always had trouble with this, you see ALOT less pixilation with OTA broadcasts.
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ke4pym
Premium
join:2004-07-24
Charlotte, NC
Reviews:
·VOIPO
·ooma
·Verizon Broadban..
·Northland Cable ..
·Time Warner Cable

said by zeddlar:

The one time I had DirecTV years ago, the standard proggraming was run by one company and the premium channels was run by another company and I recieved a bill from each company and they were constantly screwing my bills up every month so I dropped them and have never looked back.

Way to hold a grudge from 13 years ago!

zeddlar

join:2007-04-09
Jay, OK

Nah, no grudge, just got treated right by dish and saw no reason to switch to anything else.



Steve Mehs
Gun Control Is Using A Steady Hand
Premium
join:2005-07-16
kudos:1
reply to zeddlar

quote:
Blockbuster is going strong and will continue to do so simply for the fact that they have as good or better selection as Netflix and they can offer movies the day they are released on disk and they are cheaper than Netflix and now with being partnered with Dish, most movies are availible for streaming the same day they are released on disk through the dish DVR, no extra equipment needed aside from having a broadband connection hooked to the DVR
Blockbuster is dead. Chuckels spent a few hundread million dollars on a washed up irrelevent company instead of sticking that money back into their core service. By all accounts thus far, the whole Dish/Blockbuster thing is a failure.

quote:
only real sports options I don't have anything but network access too are NFL and Nascar. I do get those games on network channels just like everyone else but there is no sunday ticket type of deal like DirecTV offers. I can however get MLB, NHL and many other packages.


Nope you cannot get MLB Extra Innings, Dish hasn't offered MLB Extra Innings for a few years now. Infact, they just started offering MLB Network last year. Dish Network sucks for sports, period. DirecTV has a more robust line up of HD games avaiable for NHL Center Ice and NBA League Pass. Dish carries zero NY RSNs. No YES, no MSG, no MSG Plus, no SNY. Also, no ESPNEWS HD and no ESPN U HD.

quote:
The one time I had DirecTV years ago, the standard proggraming was run by one company and the premium channels was run by another company and I recieved a bill from each company and they were constantly screwing my bills up every month so I dropped them and have never looked back.
DirecTV purchased USSB from Hubbard in 1998, the two services have been intergrated for 14 years now.

quote:
As for the unused Dish network dishes, The NFL Sunday ticket offering is responsible for alot of that and I hope those people that switched for that reason have the sense to kill that before their year is up or that is going to hurt, LOL.


Why? what if someone enjoyed NFL ST, and wants it next season?

quote:
As for which is better, like everyone has said, OTA is way better but I have a high end TV and Dish and a freind of mind has nerly the same TV and Directv for the NFL Sunday ticket and I can't really tell a whole lot of differance in the two, but my father-in-law has just OTA and also a high end TV and his picture quality is way better than either of ours. The biggest place you see a difference is during scenes where there is alot of motion on the tv becuase HD sets have always had trouble with this, you see ALOT less pixilation with OTA broadcasts.

As subchannels pop up, expect that picture quality to decrease. On cable, here Time Warner gets a direct fiber feed of the locals at the full 19Mbps, which is higher then OTA when subchannels are added to the mix. OTA TV is useless to me. Eight real channels and a handful of lame subchannels, no thanks.
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For the future of our nation, we must unite and vote out the terrorist known as Hussein Obama. Come November 6 2012 we must remove the socialist pig out of office and get our country back on the RIGHT track.