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dettrittus

join:2010-06-22
Saint-Hubert, QC
reply to diskace

Re: Discussing Bandwidth options

Avec les blocs automatiques, est-ce que la capacité serait transférable d'un mois à l'autre?

Parce que ca serait plate de dépasser d'un gig comme ca m'arrive parfois et de se faire charger 5$ ou 10$ pour ça et perdre la balance. Ca revient alors à 5$ pour 1 gig. Personellement, je devrait encore plus être attentif à ma consommation qu'en ce moment.


IamGimli

join:2004-02-28
Canada
kudos:2

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reply to diskace

I say you should implement an option for true UBB.

Low flat monthly rate for the speed provisioned, no transfers included.

A reasonable rate per GB for any transfer (something like 5-10 cents). No charge limit. When the technology is available to compile transfers by time of day you can then easily set two or three different rates depending on time of day. 100GB user pays $10 extra. 1TB user pays $100 extra. Fairest solution. If people want "packs" so they "don't have to watch what they're doing" sell them whatever pack they want at the same rate.

This rewards those users that put the least strain on your network.


GuiGQc

join:2012-02-22
Gatineau, QC
reply to dettrittus

said by dettrittus:

Avec les blocs automatiques, est-ce que la capacité serait transférable d'un mois à l'autre?

Parce que ca serait plate de dépasser d'un gig comme ca m'arrive parfois et de se faire charger 5$ ou 10$ pour ça et perdre la balance. Ca revient alors à 5$ pour 1 gig. Personellement, je devrait encore plus être attentif à ma consommation qu'en ce moment.

Je suis d'accord avec diskace que rendu à transférer la blance d'un mois à l'autre, ça commence à être beaucoup trop difficile à gérer.

Toutefois, il serait peut-être raisonnablement facile de garder le 0.50$ par GB si on ne se rend pas à 5$.

Ça serait très bien que rendu à 5$, ça rajouterait automatiquement 100GB de bande passante, et rendu à 10$, ça rajouterait 250GB.

dettrittus

join:2010-06-22
Saint-Hubert, QC

said by GuiGQc:

Toutefois, il serait peut-être raisonnablement facile de garder le 0.50$ par GB si on ne se rend pas à 5$.

Oui ca serait bien. Pas facile à expliquer sur une page de prix parcontre.

BigBob

join:2006-11-03
canada

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reply to GuiGQc

said by GuiGQc:

Toutefois, il serait peut-être raisonnablement facile de garder le 0.50$ par GB si on ne se rend pas à 5$.

Ça serait très bien que rendu à 5$, ça rajouterait automatiquement 100GB de bande passante, et rendu à 10$, ça rajouterait 250GB.

C'est exactement ça qu'il faut, pas compliqué à gérer, facile à comprendre. 2 grosseurs de blocs 100 et 250 c'est parfait. Je laisse Ebox déterminer le prix.

Le ,50$ du gig est un peu haut, j'irais à ,10$ ou ,20$ le gig

Si tu dépasse de 10 gig, ça te coûte 1$ ou 2$ c'est pas la fin du monde...

Il faut quand même que le prix au gig soit plus haut que le prix/gig d'un bloc car il faut inciter les usagers à prendre de plus gros forfait sinon tout le monde va prendre le plus petit forfait disponible pour sa vitesse et payer à l'usage.

Pour la même raison, il faut que le prix / gig des forfaits soit plus bas que le prix par bloc.

Ebox a le droit de faire des profits quand même...


SHY
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Premium
join:2010-06-21
Cote Saint-Luc, QC
reply to diskace

Don't forget that you want the best price per GB possible. All the extra usage charged by the company is pure profit since they are paying Videotron for capacity, not data transfer. The price just has to be very reasonable for the end user.



diskace
Electronic Box CEO
Premium,VIP
join:2002-02-21

said by SHY:

Don't forget that you want the best price per GB possible. All the extra usage charged by the company is pure profit since they are paying Videotron for capacity, not data transfer. The price just has to be very reasonable for the end user.

Your playing the devil's advocate SHY . Capacity can translate into GB as well. For example 1 Mbits is roughly 330 GB. 1 Mbits is 18.90$ cost. It also depends on the peak speed used and various factor It's a bit complex.
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SHY
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Cote Saint-Luc, QC

said by diskace:

said by SHY:

Don't forget that you want the best price per GB possible. All the extra usage charged by the company is pure profit since they are paying Videotron for capacity, not data transfer. The price just has to be very reasonable for the end user.

Your playing the devil's advocate SHY . Capacity can translate into GB as well. For example 1 Mbits is roughly 330 GB. 1 Mbits is 18.90$ cost. It also depends on the peak speed used and various factor It's a bit complex.

Rats, and I thought I could get away with it......
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cs
Premium
join:2012-02-07
Repentigny, QC
reply to diskace

Pour le offpeak, Il serait possible d'offrir une version de DD-WRT qui s'occupe d'envoyer le data a toutes les heures. Coté sécurité, a vérifier! Complexité d'implémentation et de mise en prod: je peux comprendre qu'avec du popcorn tout ce peu!

--modeNégatif="on"--

Avec l'ajout de capacité, n'allons nous pas saturé d'avantage le réseau. à 0.5$ le gig cela ralenti un peu les heavy user et donne une chance au réseau d'être plus disponible pour les autres usagers. Donc a cours terme, je vous pas l'intéret de mettre des bloc de consommation moins cher que le 0.50$/gig

Par conte, d'ici quelques mois ou plus, quand EBox commencera a stabilisé et aura ralenti son expansion (je leur espere que cela dure le plus longtemps possible!), je crois que la question des blocs de consommation sera plus envisageable.

--modeNégatif="off"--

D'un autre coté, moi aussi j'aimerai bien ne pas trop allé souvent voir ma page de consommation. donc si j'avais à voter, je préfère avoir un deal au gig et non des blocs. Donc un forfais de base comme ceux actuel et ensuite on paye au gig comme en ce moment mais les prix devraient baisser un peu. Si on y avec à 5$ pour 75 gig alors disons que le 0.50$ du gig change pour 0.15$ du gig! Je crois que cette option viens chercher tout le monde: ceux qui veulent des bloc et ceux qui veulent payer pour ce qu'ils consomment (ça revient au meme de toute façon!)



SHY
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Premium
join:2010-06-21
Cote Saint-Luc, QC
reply to diskace

50 cents per GB is not realistic! There is absolutely no reason to charge that much.



alkizmo

join:2007-06-25
Pierrefonds, QC
kudos:1

said by SHY:

50 cents per GB is not realistic! There is absolutely no reason to charge that much.

They gotta charge something prohibitive, to allow us to go over the limit if we have to, but not tempt us to do so.

It's not like eBox can buy capacity on demand from Videotron. So they need to smooth out their clients usage to maximize their purchased capacity's usage.

Otherwise they'd need to buy a ton of capacity from Videotron just to accomodate sudden spikes in their clients downloading whenever because they'd tend to go over the limit every now and then because it's cheap to do so.

jfmezei
Premium
join:2007-01-03
Pointe-Claire, QC
kudos:23

In a way, it is better for diskace to require people buy capacity in advance instead of having wildly variable usage.

If you pay for a plan that gives you 75gigs, they plan their network capacity according to typical needs of people on that profile.

If you exceed this profile, then you screw up their network capacity planning.

When you add 500gigs to your 75gig package every month, they can increase their capacity accordingly because they know they have the extra revenue every month to pay for it.

But if you buy it just for one month (wether in advance or via some automated system), then the ISP can't add capacity to its network just for that month.

Because of the high price of capacity, ISPs can't really afford to keep much "spare" capacity to cater to users who might have a surge in usage one month. Of course, as the ISP grows, it becomes easier to cater to those because of scale.

While probably not possible to implement yet, perhaps the way to go would be to allow users a limited amount of time at full speed during prime time, after which they are speed reduced to say 10mbps which is still plenty enough for netflix, or youtube etc.

(and then have unlimited 60mbps off peak).


jfmezei
Premium
join:2007-01-03
Pointe-Claire, QC
kudos:23
reply to SHY

said by SHY:

50 cents per GB is not realistic! There is absolutely no reason to charge that much.

It is to pay for popcorn

Now that Diskace is "CEO", he probably only eats top quality imported popcorn from France.


eboxnat

join:2011-05-06
Montreal, QC
kudos:6
reply to TheRedKnight

said by TheRedKnight:

Try to keep things as simple as possible. Remember, complicated scenarios may require additional personnel at the office, ie calls, explanation of charges, etc... Try to keep this as simple as possible, additional blocks @ $5 per 75GB or new tiers with 500GB is something painless to implement.

But if it was less complicated I would be out of a job. LOLOL
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straw

join:2009-05-23
reply to diskace

Je pense que les blocs de consommation sont une bonne idée. Ca donnerait un peu plus de diversité dans les forfaits.

Comme je le vois présentement, le 30mbits n'est pas très intéressant quand on peut avoir 60mbits pour 5$ de plus par mois. Mais si par exemple, il y a une option de 75-100gig pour 5$, ca donne le choix entre moins de vitesse mais plus de capacité (30mbits/325-350gig) ou l'inverse (60mbits/250gig) pour le même prix.

Cela aiderait aussi le réseau d'Ebox en heures de pointe si plus de gens choisissent l'option du "moins de vitesse pour plus de capacité".


gnumantsc

join:2003-07-23
reply to diskace

said by diskace:

said by SHY:

Don't forget that you want the best price per GB possible. All the extra usage charged by the company is pure profit since they are paying Videotron for capacity, not data transfer. The price just has to be very reasonable for the end user.

Your playing the devil's advocate SHY . Capacity can translate into GB as well. For example 1 Mbits is roughly 330 GB. 1 Mbits is 18.90$ cost. It also depends on the peak speed used and various factor It's a bit complex.

Here's the formula to calculate the cost of bandwidth and stuff:

B^2 - (4ac-b)^1/2 / 2a it's really that simple. I won't tell you what A B or C is then I might as well give you the answer.
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gnumantsc

join:2003-07-23
reply to jfmezei

said by jfmezei:

said by SHY:

50 cents per GB is not realistic! There is absolutely no reason to charge that much.

It is to pay for popcorn

Now that Diskace is "CEO", he probably only eats top quality imported popcorn from France.

They don't have popcorn in France they got mais souffle. It's slightly higher quality than popcorn than they sell here
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SHY
0x27
Premium
join:2010-06-21
Cote Saint-Luc, QC
reply to diskace

Oy! I never should have started....


cs
Premium
join:2012-02-07
Repentigny, QC

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reply to gnumantsc

said by gnumantsc:

said by diskace:

said by SHY:

Don't forget that you want the best price per GB possible. All the extra usage charged by the company is pure profit since they are paying Videotron for capacity, not data transfer. The price just has to be very reasonable for the end user.

Your playing the devil's advocate SHY . Capacity can translate into GB as well. For example 1 Mbits is roughly 330 GB. 1 Mbits is 18.90$ cost. It also depends on the peak speed used and various factor It's a bit complex.

Here's the formula to calculate the cost of bandwidth and stuff:

B^2 - (4ac-b)^1/2 / 2a it's really that simple. I won't tell you what A B or C is then I might as well give you the answer.

Hmmm 3 possibilities:

1- 0 solution
2- 1 solution
3- 2 solutions

I hope it is not #1 because like you said, it is not really simple... it is simply unreal! (4ac-b is negative)

irepressed

join:2006-02-13
South Shore
reply to diskace

Guys, we gotta stay realistic! Having 25 different scenarios for everyone's need does not make any sense for a business. This is pure marketing 101! It's gotta be good for anyone, but there's no way it can be perfect for everyone.

Someone wants the blocks to be transferred automatically when busting the limit, someone else wants upload data to count as download, then to add new monthly plans and up the limits to 500GB for ridiculous amounts, and if not fully used, we want EBOX to transfer it to next month's usage... why not expect a refund for unused data while we're at it?? And all of this together? Even less logical...

If this was an NHL trade rumours topic, people would be suggesting to trade Kaberle for both Sedin twins and Luongo! LOL

Let's put our trust in what Diskace can do with all our needs and ideas provided and give it time. We want higher monthly cap? On demand GB blocks? Unlimited (or higher) upload? Different monthly plans? All good! But let's stop with the "I want less than 500GB, but more than 300, but sometimes higher than 325, and when the girlfriend's away, I'll need 700GB, and if unused, transfer my 5$ worth of GB for next month, cause I wouldn't want to lose my unused 1.27$!" I mean... Are we really at that point, where people are requesting their 5$ data blocks to be transfered? 5$? Really????!! Cellphone providers don't even carry your minutes to next month, why would an Internet provider do it for 5$ blocks? A lot of you are asking specifics that NO OTHER ISP will do right now. EBOX is still here to make money, and not build 1054 custom monthly plans for each and one of us.


jfmezei
Premium
join:2007-01-03
Pointe-Claire, QC
kudos:23

said by irepressed:

Let's put our trust in what Diskace can do with all our needs and ideas provided and give it time.

I don't trust diskace.... He's keeping eboxnat all to himself. She belongs to us on DSLR

At the end of the day, perhaps the simplest would be to have a table of usage vs speeds.

For each speed, you set a price for: 50, 100, 250, 400, unlimited.

The higher the speed, the higher the cost per gig, but keep that cost below 0.10/gig (probably closer to 0.05 for the lower speeds)

And then you have the 0.50/gig when people exceed their monthly package allowance.

This gives people a chance to purchase a package that fits their needs, and provides incentive to select the right package so they don't go over their monthly limits and this makes it easier from a network capacity planning point of view.


SHY
0x27
Premium
join:2010-06-21
Cote Saint-Luc, QC
reply to irepressed

said by irepressed:

Guys, we gotta stay realistic! Having 25 different scenarios for everyone's need does not make any sense for a business. This is pure marketing 101! It's gotta be good for anyone, but there's no way it can be perfect for everyone.

Someone wants the blocks to be transferred automatically when busting the limit, someone else wants upload data to count as download, then to add new monthly plans and up the limits to 500GB for ridiculous amounts, and if not fully used, we want EBOX to transfer it to next month's usage... why not expect a refund for unused data while we're at it?? And all of this together? Even less logical...

If this was an NHL trade rumours topic, people would be suggesting to trade Kaberle for both Sedin twins and Luongo! LOL

Let's put our trust in what Diskace can do with all our needs and ideas provided and give it time. We want higher monthly cap? On demand GB blocks? Unlimited (or higher) upload? Different monthly plans? All good! But let's stop with the "I want less than 500GB, but more than 300, but sometimes higher than 325, and when the girlfriend's away, I'll need 700GB, and if unused, transfer my 5$ worth of GB for next month, cause I wouldn't want to lose my unused 1.27$!" I mean... Are we really at that point, where people are requesting their 5$ data blocks to be transfered? 5$? Really????!! Cellphone providers don't even carry your minutes to next month, why would an Internet provider do it for 5$ blocks? A lot of you are asking specifics that NO OTHER ISP will do right now. EBOX is still here to make money, and not build 1054 custom monthly plans for each and one of us.

LOL
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cogito ergo manduc »ELECTRONICBOX
60/3 for $55 and proud of it!
Take that Videotron and stuff it!

Sync

join:2012-01-19
Terrebonne, QC
reply to diskace

Can we have DCM475 modems in different colors please?

My girlfriend wants one that would match her purse.

Thank you.



SHY
0x27
Premium
join:2010-06-21
Cote Saint-Luc, QC

said by Sync:

Can we have DCM475 modems in different colors please?

My girlfriend wants one that would match her purse.

Thank you.

Thanks Sync....I needed that laugh!
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cogito ergo manduc »ELECTRONICBOX
60/3 for $55 and proud of it!
Take that Videotron and stuff it!


eboxnat

join:2011-05-06
Montreal, QC
kudos:6
reply to Sync

said by Sync:

Can we have DCM475 modems in different colors please?

My girlfriend wants one that would match her purse.

Thank you.

OMG I would be so down with that, imagine a hot pink modem !!!
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Electronic Box Inc.
»ELECTRONICBOX
Natasha Contardi

irepressed

join:2006-02-13
South Shore

said by eboxnat:

said by Sync:

Can we have DCM475 modems in different colors please?

My girlfriend wants one that would match her purse.

Thank you.

OMG I would be so down with that, imagine a hot pink modem !!!

Let's not.


eboxnat

join:2011-05-06
Montreal, QC
kudos:6

said by irepressed:

Let's not.

Daymn.


MrMouse

join:2012-02-18

I will be lurking on the ebox site to see if there are new plans or anything, teksavvy 3mb 300gb 24.95$ plan is like a siren song to me, but I really would rather deal with a company located near Montreal and their current problems do not inspire confidence O(._.)O.

Edit: Especially since lately their reviews on dslreports have been ''meh''.



diskace
Electronic Box CEO
Premium,VIP
join:2002-02-21



After shift we will dip the DCM475 into fresh paint. Problem solved
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Sync

join:2012-01-19
Terrebonne, QC
reply to diskace

ROFL

Manquerait juste un peu de plumes collées sur le modem avec ça pis on serait en business!