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Re: [HD] Get Ready for "Ultra-HDTV"

You mean Lite- ultra hdtv
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said by telcodad:

While Comcast is still charging us an "HD Technology" fee, it looks like DirecTV is already planning for "Ultra-HDTV":

DirecTV planning for Ultra HDTV
Advanced Television - March 15, 2012
»advanced-television.com/index.ph···-u-hdtv/

Looks like DirecTV's U-HDTV plans are now coming to fruition:

DirecTV Gears Up For 4K
Will Be Ready For 4K VOD This Year, With Live 4K To Follow

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - July 31, 2014
»www.multichannel.com/news/tv-app···k/382897
quote:
A Comcast official said the MSO is still on schedule to launch its on-demand Xfinity TV 4K app before the end of the year ... Comcast is also working on a new generation of boxes for its X1 platform that uses HEVC and can decode native 4K signals.


telcodad

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said by telcodad:

said by telcodad:

From this news item on the TVPredictions.com site today, I guess we shouldn't hold our breath waiting for "affordable" large-screen OLED 4K U-HDTVs (bring on those U-LED sets!):

Study: OLED TVs May Not Be Affordable Until 2018
By Phillip Swann, TVPredictions.com - January 17, 2014
»www.tvpredictions.com/tv011714.htm

FYI - A major price drop for LG's 55-inch OLED HDTV (1080p) set - now only $4,999 and available at Amazon and Best Buy:

LG's 55-inch OLED TV Now Going For $4,999
By Phillip Swann, TVPredictions.com - May 27, 2014
»www.tvpredictions.com/lg052714.htm

 
The price continues to drop on LG's 55-inch OLED HDTV (1080p) set:

LG's 55-inch OLED TV Now Going For $3,297
By Phillip Swann, TVPredictions.com - August 3, 2014
»www.tvpredictions.com/lg080314.htm

As far as the status of 4K OLED goes:
quote:
The company recently said it will introduce a 4K edition of the OLED set later this year for $9,000 ...

The OLED display works without a backlight which enables an OLED TV's panel to be ultra-thin. In fact, the first OLED TV from LG is just 0.17 inches thick.

The OLED TV also combines some of the best features of Plasma and LCD sets, displaying deep blacks and high contrast levels. ...

However, largely because of the set's thin panel, TV makers have struggled to mass produce the set.


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CableLabs is gearing-up for testing 4K U-HDTV delivery by cable:

CableLabs Boots Up 4K Video Sharing Website
Provides Access To 4K Fare Under The Creative Commons License

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - August 13, 2014
»www.multichannel.com/news/techno···e/383154

EDIT: As far as Comcast's 4K plans:

quote:
CableLabs is launching the site as the cable industry just begins to develop plans around 4K. Among major U.S. MSOs, Comcast plans to launch an Internet-based, on-demand Xfinity TV 4K app before the end of the year that will initially be available on new Samsung UHD. The MSO is also working with partners on a new generation of boxes for its X1 platform that uses HEVC and can decode native 4K signals.


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On the other hand, The Diffusion Group (TDG) states in an upcoming report that there is little incentive to invest in 4K, so it's going to remain just a luxury niche in the near future:

Don't bet the farm on 4K
By Brian Santo, CED Magazine - August 12, 2014
»www.cedmagazine.com/blogs/2014/0···rm-on-4k

quote:
... “We’ve extended our time frame to 2025; 2020 is too close,” said TDG senior analyst and report author Joel Espelien. “We think it will take a long time to roll out.”

Today, traditional pay TV distributors are still only experimenting with 4K, for major events, typically sports. The only place to get 4K on a regular basis is streaming sources (Netflix, Amazon), or on-demand – which Espelien referred to as quasi-streaming.

Even so, there still isn’t that much 4K content available. New content is being shot in 4K for future-proofing, but that’s little incentive for now.

Even though most installed sets are HD, most pay TV is still consumed in SD, he noted. What’s the incentive to go buy 4K TV sets, which remain expensive?
:
Demand for HD was minimal until the DBS providers started hawking it – forcing cable companies to follow. Asked if history might repeat itself, Espelien was skeptical.

“It might happen eventually, but not soon,” he said. DISH is providing 4K only on demand. “It makes no sense right now to broadcast 4K.”

Ultimately, he said, pay TV distributors will be leery of doing 4K until the whole ecosystem is established.

There’s no reason to invest. No one is on the verge of losing market share because they don’t have 4K. Nobody is threatened with losing their premium status because they don’t have 4K.


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When even 8K U-HDTV displays won't do:

‘Nanopixel’ Display Shows Promise in Lab
How many pixels can dance on the head of a pin?
By Bob Kovacs, TV Technology - August 14, 2014
»www.tvtechnology.com/news/0110/&···b/271831

quote:
For people in the television industry accustomed as thinking of 4K as the likely future of displays and such exotic technologies as 8K displays as being off in the dreamy future, there’s something even higher resolution in the laboratory. Much higher.

A research team in the United Kingdom has worked up a process that could possibly create a display that’s 150 times the resolution of current 1080p displays. Using a standard 16:9 aspect ratio, that would be (gulp!) a screen that has 288,000 x 162,000 pixels.


wolf

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From what I can gather this would be almost 5 times the resolution of 64k (34,560p). It's really difficult to imagine the need for such a resolution level for watching video & film. Maybe some imaging applications where there's no such thing as overkill, 3D systems where each eye only gets 1/2 the total resolution, perhaps future hologram tech or other glasses-free 3D system that offers multiple viewing zones that divide up the total available resolution, VR headsets.

For scale, this nanopixel display would be capable of about 660 ppi on a 500" diagonal screen (or about double the pixel density of the latest 4" iphone screen)! Or 2,750 ppi on a more realistic 120" home screen.



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said by telcodad:

said by telcodad:

said by telcodad:

From this news item on the TVPredictions.com site today, I guess we shouldn't hold our breath waiting for "affordable" large-screen OLED 4K U-HDTVs (bring on those U-LED sets!):

Study: OLED TVs May Not Be Affordable Until 2018
By Phillip Swann, TVPredictions.com - January 17, 2014
»www.tvpredictions.com/tv011714.htm

FYI - A major price drop for LG's 55-inch OLED HDTV (1080p) set - now only $4,999 and available at Amazon and Best Buy:

LG's 55-inch OLED TV Now Going For $4,999
By Phillip Swann, TVPredictions.com - May 27, 2014
»www.tvpredictions.com/lg052714.htm

 
The price continues to drop on LG's 55-inch OLED HDTV (1080p) set:

LG's 55-inch OLED TV Now Going For $3,297
By Phillip Swann, TVPredictions.com - August 3, 2014
»www.tvpredictions.com/lg080314.htm

 
FYI - LG's latest 55-inch OLED 1080p HDTV, the 55EC9300, tied for best picture quality in this year's Value Electronics' 'TV Shootout:

LG's OLED TV & Samsung Plasma Win Best Picture Award
By Phillip Swann, TVPredictions.com - August 20, 2014
»www.tvpredictions.com/tv082014.htm

It's currently listed on Amazon for $3,499: »www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KZER5GS


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LG has announced that it will now start selling the world’s first 4K OLED TVs:

LG First to Commercialize 4K OLED TV
Korea Bizwire - August 25, 2014
»koreabizwire.com/lg-first-to-com···tv/17377

LG's first 4K OLED TV is ready to kill LCDs once and for all
By Richard Lawler, Engadget - August 25, 2014
»www.engadget.com/2014/08/24/lg-4k-oled/

The LG press release: »lgnewsroom.com/newsroom/contents/64643



wolf

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Not bad for a technology that was basically declared DOA at the end of 2013 by Sony, Panasonic & many others. It seems that LG has solved the OLED manufacturing issues that have stymied others. No pricing announced for these new sets though, so the usual rule probably applies: If you have to ask how much you probably can't afford it. Given the recent overall price drops of 4k sets these tv's may also drop in price fairly quickly. The rumors I've read are that the 65" will be $7k & the 77" $11.7k, but that's MSRP in Korea & US prices are "usually much lower". If the 65" retails for let's say $5,500-$6,000 out of the gate, that's really not bad for a first-generation release & especially considering that the first consumer 4k LED LCD's were priced at $17k less than 2 years ago...

The one thing I'd be looking for is either capability of full Rec 2020 color gamut or at least Dolby Vision (HDR=High Dynamic Range) implementation. Vizio's soon-to-be-released (?) Reference series is said to get "close to" Rec 2020 (80% using 10-bit panels?) & will comply with Dolby Vision standards, but these are 4k LED LCD sets, not OLED. OLED can reproduce the Rec 2020 color space (some 68 billion colors in a 12-bit system), LCD LED's answer to this will probably be Quantum Dot technology & is said to be ready now to be incorporated into current LCD tv's.

My next tv will need to at least get close to this standard if not meet it (along with infinite black level/contrast ratio a la the best plasmas). No mention yet what these new sets are capable of. Until more manufacturers get in the game, production numbers scale up drastically & prices come down by at least 50% I'm quite happy with my Vizio 60" M602i.


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said by wolf :

Vizio's soon-to-be-released (?) Reference series is said to get "close to" Rec 2020 (80% using 10-bit panels?) & will comply with Dolby Vision standards, but these are 4k LED LCD sets, not OLED.

Er... never mind... you said reference (R) series, which is not the same as what I had posted. My bad. I thought you were talking about the P-series (UHD LED LCD)... didn't realize they also had a reference series (also UHD LED LCD) until I visited their site again.


wolf

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Not much news lately from Hisense on their ULED tech but they're apparently going to show at least one 55" model & one 60" (the 55XT900 & 65XT900) next month @IFA Berlin:

»translate.google.com/translate?h···ih%3D749

»translate.google.com/translate?h···ih%3D749

These sites are in German, you have to let Google translate them.


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said by telcodad:

said by telcodad:

Netflix app to stream 4K on new TVs immediately
By Ryan Nakashima, The Associated Press - Jan. 9, 2014
»bigstory.ap.org/article/netflix-···w-4k-tvs

While Netflix had previously said that a 15 Mbps downstream speed was the minimum requirement for 4K streaming, they are saying that a speed of 25 Mbps is now needed to do it:

4K TV: For Most, The Stream Is Still a Dream
By Phillip Swann, TVPredictions.com - June 26, 2014
»www.tvpredictions.com/4k062614.htm

 
Amazon will begin streaming their Prime Instant Video in 4K in October and Samsung will support it on most of their 4K TVs:

»Amazon to Stream in 4K Starting in October

and:

Samsung To Offer Amazon 4K Fare In October
TV Maker Expands Its Ultra HD Content Slate

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - August 28, 2014
»www.multichannel.com/news/tv-app···r/383429


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An interesting article on what Ultra-HD technology can do with old classic movies:

Godzilla stomps back in ultra HD, wires intact
By Yuri Kageyama, AP - August 27, 2014
»bigstory.ap.org/article/godzilla···s-intact

quote:
At a humble Tokyo laboratory, Godzilla, including the 1954 black-and-white original, is stomping back with a digital makeover that delivers four times the image quality of high definition.

The effort with "4K" technology is carefully removing scratches and discoloration from the films and also unearthing hidden information on the reel-to-reel.

Experts say the chemical reactions used to make old movies stored far greater detail than was visible with the limited projection technology of the era, as well as with subsequent digital updates.

If all the hidden information of a reel-to-reel is ever brought out, quality would approximate 8K, they say.


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said by telcodad:

On the other hand, The Diffusion Group (TDG) states in an upcoming report that there is little incentive to invest in 4K, so it's going to remain just a luxury niche in the near future:

Don't bet the farm on 4K
By Brian Santo, CED Magazine - August 12, 2014
»www.cedmagazine.com/blogs/2014/0···rm-on-4k

quote:
... “We’ve extended our time frame to 2025; 2020 is too close,” said TDG senior analyst and report author Joel Espelien. “We think it will take a long time to roll out.”

Today, traditional pay TV distributors are still only experimenting with 4K, for major events, typically sports. The only place to get 4K on a regular basis is streaming sources (Netflix, Amazon), or on-demand – which Espelien referred to as quasi-streaming.

Even so, there still isn’t that much 4K content available. New content is being shot in 4K for future-proofing, but that’s little incentive for now. ...

 
Looks like some help in the 4K content area may be be arriving late next year now:

4K Blu-ray Players Coming In 2015
By Phillip Swann, TVPredictions.com - September 7, 2014
»www.tvpredictions.com/blu090714.htm


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Broadcom now says they will be supplying HEVC chipsets to TiVo for their upcoming line of 4K Ultra-HD models:

TiVo Inches Toward Ultra HD
Broadcom Chips In For TiVo’s Coming 4K-Capable Devices

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - September 11, 2014
»www.multichannel.com/news/tv-app···d/383741

Expand your moderator at work


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Re: [HD] Get Ready for "Ultra-HDTV"

Intelsat commissioned an independent research firm to survey media executives on their awareness of and plans for 4K U-HDTV content demand, development and distribution. The results are displayed in this "4K UHDTV Adoption Infographic": »www.intelsat.com/wp-content/gall···o-4K.jpg



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said by telcodad:

said by telcodad:

quote:
Even so, there still isn’t that much 4K content available. New content is being shot in 4K for future-proofing, but that’s little incentive for now. ...

Looks like some help in the 4K content area may be be arriving late next year now:

4K Blu-ray Players Coming In 2015
By Phillip Swann, TVPredictions.com - September 7, 2014
»www.tvpredictions.com/blu090714.htm

Also:

The 4K Blu Ray Disc Format Is Slated To Hit In 2015: Will Anybody Care
By David Cornell, The Inquisitr - September 13, 2014
»www.inquisitr.com/1472559/the-4k···services


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said by telcodad:

said by ComcastTech:

4K tvs are going to come down eventually like HDTVs did years ago in time.

While I wouldn't count the TCL 50-inch, 4K U-HDTV that's selling for only $698 on Amazon right now (»www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ES5Q6E2), along with all the other cheap, Chinese-brand 4K TVs that will start flooding stores this year, Vizio should be selling their 50-inch 4K U-HDTV for $999.99 MSRP soon:

Report: Vizio Sees Much Improved 4K TV Sales
By Phillip Swann, TVPredictions.com - January 21, 2014
»www.tvpredictions.com/tv012114.htm

On the TVPredictions site now:

Walmart Taking Pre-Orders On Vizio's $999 50" 4K TV
By Phillip Swann, TVPredictions.com - September 14, 2014
»www.tvpredictions.com/vizio091414.htm
quote:
Walmart is now taking pre-orders on the highly-anticipated, sub-$1,000 Vizio 50-inch 4K TV.

Vizio, known for making less expensive High-Definition TVs, created a buzz in January when it announced at the Consumer Electronics Show that it would soon sell a 50-inch 4K TV for $999.99.

While Seiki, Polaroid and TCL are planning -- or have already begun -- to sell 4K TVs for under $1,000, Vizio is the best known TV brand yet to announce a 4K TV at that price.

Walmart says at its web site that the 50-inch 4K set costs $998 and is likely to ship on September 25. ...


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said by telcodad:

said by telcodad:

FYI - A major price drop for LG's 55-inch OLED HDTV (1080p) set - now only $4,999 and available at Amazon and Best Buy:

LG's 55-inch OLED TV Now Going For $4,999
By Phillip Swann, TVPredictions.com - May 27, 2014
»www.tvpredictions.com/lg052714.htm

The price continues to drop on LG's 55-inch OLED HDTV (1080p) set:

LG's 55-inch OLED TV Now Going For $3,297
By Phillip Swann, TVPredictions.com - August 3, 2014
»www.tvpredictions.com/lg080314.htm

 
And drop some more:

LG's New OLED TV Gets a Price Cut
By Phillip Swann, TVPredictions.com - September 17, 2014
»www.tvpredictions.com/tv091714.htm
quote:
LG's new 55-inch curved-display OLED [1080p] TV, which debuted less than a month ago at $3,499, is now going for $2,999 at Amazon.com, Best Buy and other retail outlets.

Even at $2,999, the LG set, model 55EC9300, will make most TV shoppers give pause before buying. But the ultra-thin TV is generating some of the best critical reviews a set ever received. CNET.com yesterday posted its assessment of the OLED TV, saying the display delivered "the best picture quality ever."
:
... Samsung, an early proponent of OLED, now says it doesn't expect it to hit the mainstream for 3-4 years.

But LG has maintained that the OLED TV will emerge as the 'Next Big Thing' in TV displays and the company is selling a 4K version as well as the 1080p 55-inch model.


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said by telcodad:

On the other hand, The Diffusion Group (TDG) states in an upcoming report that there is little incentive to invest in 4K, so it's going to remain just a luxury niche in the near future:

Don't bet the farm on 4K
By Brian Santo, CED Magazine - August 12, 2014
»www.cedmagazine.com/blogs/2014/0···rm-on-4k

Even with the latest price drops, it still looks like 4K U-HDTV sales will be slow:

4K TV, By Any Other Name, Still Doesn't Spell Success
By Phillip Swann, TVPredictions.com - September 18, 2014
»www.tvpredictions.com/4k091814.htm
quote:
... there are five major reasons why consumers are not buying the sets. And here they are:

1. Picture Hype
The 4K TV, or 4K Ultra HD TV, if you will, will deliver a resolution of 3,840 x 2,160 pixels, compared to the 1,920 x 1080 of today's 1080p HDTVs. But most display experts believe you need a 60-inch set or larger to see any difference between the 4K set and a 1080p set. And even then, the picture improvement is incremental, not dramatic, ...

2. Price
And will those economically-challenged consumers buy the sets when they see the prices? ...

3. Price & Picture Size
The cost of a 60-inch 4K set will likely still exceed the grasp of the average consumer for some time to come. (Remember, you'll probably need a 60-inch set to see any difference in the picture.) High-Definition TV started to reach the masses when 42-inch sets became affordable; ...

4. Lack of Programming
As of now, there are no 4K Blu-ray discs or any TV channel that broadcasts in 4K. The only 4K content available is a handful of streaming titles from Netflix and some movies pre-loaded on media servers that must be purchased separately.

This will change, ... but it may be awhile before consumers feel like there's enough 4K content to warrant paying big prices for a 4K TV ...

5. TV Saturation
This is the problem facing TV makers at all levels these days. Thanks to the 2009 Digital TV transition, millions of Americans now own perfectly good sets less than six years old. ... Many Americans now are not in the market for a new TV.