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Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Fri, 25 May 2012 10:39:14 EDT

John Galt posted : Utilities are typically granted the blanket authority to operate within the ROW subject to some very broad, seemingly vague requirements.

While I have a degree of sympathy for the OPs individual plight, I see nothing there that is not normal, accepted industry practice.

I would, however, like to talk to the foreman that allowed that dog-legged POS pole to be installed...!

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Thu, 24 May 2012 09:16:05 EDT

marigolds posted :

said by Jack_in_VA:

said by marigolds:

Really? Then they should remove all the structures for highway signage and the message boards that are right on the side of the pavement in the right of ways.

Right now they are installing the structures for the installation of EzPass on some of our interstates. The vertical structures are on the right of way next to the travel lanes.

They should, but they choose to keep those because the signage is considered to have a more important purpose than outdoor warning sirens. (Mostly because you cannot hear the sirens in a vehicle on a highway, so the message boards are a more viable alert system.)
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Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Thu, 24 May 2012 08:12:14 EDT

Jack_in_VA posted :

said by marigolds:

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Thu, 24 May 2012 08:07:30 EDT

marigolds posted :

said by iknow:

said by marigolds:

said by AVD:

highway ROW are under State jurisdiction.

Yes, they are, but the state can go to the DOT to back them up on a safety disagreement with the FCC. You only need state permission, not federal, to place something in highway ROW, but if the state wants to deny you permission and you go to the FCC, they can go to the DOT.

that's wrong, the FCC has jurisdiction on transmission facilities, the DOT wouldn't have a clue what field strength is, they'd think it has something to do with wrestling or the military or something. that wouldn't be good at all. the FCC is the department you need to have approve your transmission facility, and if it's one of those deemed as necessary, the FCC WILL assert preemption!.

Regardless of the need for the transmission facility, if the placement of the tower jeopardizes public safety on a highway or interstate the FCC decision can be overturned. There is a reason there are no tornado sirens in interstate right of ways.
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Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Thu, 24 May 2012 08:04:31 EDT

Jack_in_VA posted :

said by owlyn:

There are two real issues going on here. First, it appears to be more of a NIMBY thing than anything else, except that, second, this isn't too terrible when the first company comes in and starts putting up poles. But what happens when the next and the next and the next companies come in and want to do the same? The landscape gets littered with poles where there were none before.

BTW, these poles are going in primarily to support 4G.

It's the old problem of everyone wants service, but not equipment to provide it.

That is the issues. Nothing else. NIMBY

Deed restrictions requiring underground utilities mean nothing and do not apply to the right of way. I know of many such neighborhoods that have that restriction that have pad mounted transformers, phone and tv boxes on the right of way in "Front" of their houses with the wiring underground to the house.

A couple of companies are sticking up poles all over my county and the adjoining counties to provide wifi. It's line of sight so numerous poles are needed to cover the entire county. We are rural and have no other options other than Sprint and Verizon wireless broadband which now is 3G.

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Thu, 24 May 2012 06:41:28 EDT

owlyn posted : Such poles are going up in my township. The company went to the state PUC and had themselves declared a utility. Once they have that status, they can erect telephone poles in the public right-of-way (no easements needed). They are allowed to install poles even in areas that have no other above-ground facilities, even if the land is deed-restricted to having only below-ground utilities. They still need permits, and the township tried to fight them in court and lost. Now that the public is aware of these poles going in, a big stink was raised, and the township will be appealing the lower court decision. The township's fear was that if they lost in court, they would be on the hook for lost revenue, because the pole company had a contract with a carrier, and was required to provide service beginning on a certain date.

There are two real issues going on here. First, it appears to be more of a NIMBY thing than anything else, except that, second, this isn't too terrible when the first company comes in and starts putting up poles. But what happens when the next and the next and the next companies come in and want to do the same? The landscape gets littered with poles where there were none before.

BTW, these poles are going in primarily to support 4G.

It's the old problem of everyone wants service, but not equipment to provide it.

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Wed, 23 May 2012 22:13:54 EDT

whizkid3 posted :

said by AVD:

Most on Manhattan is not in a "flood plain".

While its slightly OT, I'm not sure what you are trying to say. NYC building codes, which have special requirements for buildings located in areas designated by FEMA as zone A and zone V. The FEMA map of floodplains is available (usually) here: »www.msc.fema.gov/
Its offline at the moment. But one can clearly see that most of Manhattan is located in the 100 year floodplain. (Not hard to guess, considering Manhattan is surrounded by large bodies of water directly on the ocean.) You tell me. This is from FEMA:

quote:
Zone A is the flood insurance rate zone used for 1-percent-annual-chance (base flood) floodplains that are determined for the Flood Insurance Study (FIS) by approximate methods of analysis. Because detailed hydraulic analyses are not performed for such areas, no Base Flood Elevations (BFEs) or depths are shown in this zone. Mandatory flood insurance purchase requirements apply.

»www.fema.gov/plan/prevent/fhm/fq···shtm#in8

Or take it from Wikipedia:

quote:
This floodplain map figures very importantly in building permits, environmental regulations, and flood insurance.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_year_flood

Or are you just being a grammer nazi?

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Wed, 23 May 2012 18:12:37 EDT

iknow posted :

said by marigolds:

said by AVD:

highway ROW are under State jurisdiction.

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Wed, 23 May 2012 12:05:32 EDT

marigolds posted :

said by AVD:

highway ROW are under State jurisdiction.

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Wed, 23 May 2012 11:31:40 EDT

DonLibes posted : I've attached a report from SiteSafe, an engineering company hired by Crown Castle, to confirm that the node mentioned in the original post is FCC-compliant. (Nothing about compliance to local regs, though.) I've never seen a report like this so I figured others might find it informative as well.

Madeira Node···PE-1.pdf
FCC Compliance Report

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Wed, 23 May 2012 11:02:41 EDT

AVD posted :

said by whizkid3:

said by marigolds:

For example, you cannot put a cell tower in a city park in a flood plain because FEMA and the EPA, and potentially other agencies, all have a say in whether or not the tower is allowed. And they always say no.

I do find this hard to believe. Reason being, most of Manhattan is in a flood plain. However, I have not heard of FEMA or the EPA rejecting cellular antennas in any part of Manhattan; much so ever getting involved.

Most on Manhattan is not in a "flood plain".
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Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Wed, 23 May 2012 11:01:41 EDT

AVD posted : highway ROW are under State jurisdiction.

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Wed, 23 May 2012 11:00:16 EDT

AVD posted :

said by Jack_in_VA:

Very true but there are 12 pages of comments by us computer keyboard legal experts and I've yet to see any official ruling by any court or AHJ that the pole and antenna in question is not a legal installation.

This is more a NIMBY argument thread than anything else.

AHJ in this case is the FCC
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Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Tue, 22 May 2012 22:33:16 EDT

marigolds posted : I should be more specific, I mean a buyout park.
e.g. residential property bought with federal money for flood mitigation and turned into a park.

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Tue, 22 May 2012 21:31:07 EDT

whizkid3 posted :

said by marigolds:

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Tue, 22 May 2012 18:42:54 EDT

iknow posted :

said by morbo:

said by iknow:

i'd like to see a link to that

Sorry to disappoint but 15+ years ago nothing was online. Also, common sense says a company doesn't voluntarily remove a few month old tower, eating hundreds of thousands of dollars for giggles.

the FCC only made the ruling on the preemption in June 2, 2000 or a bit before, that's when the FCC guide was printed, in response to abuses by local authorities. there are some things which are too essential to deny, so, that tower episode was before the FCC claimed preemption over state and local laws in certain cases. you are talking 1997 or before!. i didn't know that was 15+ years ago, this happened, else i would have stated this.

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Tue, 22 May 2012 18:17:46 EDT

morbo posted :

said by iknow:

i'd like to see a link to that

Sorry to disappoint but 15+ years ago nothing was online. Also, common sense says a company doesn't voluntarily remove a few month old tower, eating hundreds of thousands of dollars for giggles.

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Tue, 22 May 2012 17:57:08 EDT

iknow posted : OP, the use of tin foil hats can be dangerous according to the engineering department at MIT. »berkeley.intel-research.net/arahimi/helmet/ you don't want to amplify what could be a normally safe RF level to that of an unsafe one!.

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Tue, 22 May 2012 17:55:34 EDT

marigolds posted : The FCC is just one part of the federal government.

For example, you cannot put a cell tower in a city park in a flood plain because FEMA and the EPA, and potentially other agencies, all have a say in whether or not the tower is allowed. And they always say no.

Highway right of ways are generally out as well, because the state or local government can appeal to the DOT who will always say no. It is also quite possible for the city to demolish a cell tower in an arterial right of way by expanding the arterial (the public health, safety, and welfare clause). The local government can even require that a demolition bond be posted at the time the tower is constructed and use that bond to demolish the tower when the wide is widened. How do I know this? An outdoor warning siren is a telecommunications device (2-way trunking 800Mhz).
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Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Tue, 22 May 2012 17:46:17 EDT

iknow posted :

said by morbo:

It would take some digging by the OP or a local attorney to determine if the installation is legal.

My anecdotal story earlier in the thread is where a gigantic tower installation was removed after the proper permitting procedure and neighbor notification was skipped or (intentionally) overlooked due to the possible uproar. The address on the permit was incorrect, and the tower was removed a few months later.

i'd like to see a link to that, as i think either the wrong location was submitted to the FCC, or the company voluntarily relocated the tower, probably with some concessions from the town. they are guaranteed to provide adequate cell phone service to their customers by the FCC, so some information is missing here.

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Tue, 22 May 2012 17:31:29 EDT

iknow posted :

said by morbo:

Right--however, that does not give companies a free pass to put up towers by completely bypassing state and local regulations. Companies do not have a free pass to do whatever they want in whatever location they want. Companies cannot skip the permitting process or the community input process just because there is a need for a cell phone tower. In every instance, there are multiple "good enough" locations for towers.

they can get that free pass from the FCC if they need to put up a tower in a specific location, and the state and local governments wouldn't be able to stop it. the FCC has Federal Jurisdiction. Cell phones have a safety side, just like the extremely powerful radar at airports, and the transmitter farm of voice of america, and all the military bases, police fire, etc. all these would breeze past any state or local government jurisdictions!. that's for sure!. anyone try to stop an airport from being constructed? well, the federal government controls that too.

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Tue, 22 May 2012 16:55:49 EDT

John Galt posted :

said by John Galt:

Just a reminder that utility poles are -not- towers...poles are typically exempt.

Again...

And, to further reiterate, localities have no authority over the RF portion of the installation...in ANY manner.

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Tue, 22 May 2012 12:00:49 EDT

morbo posted : It would take some digging by the OP or a local attorney to determine if the installation is legal.

My anecdotal story earlier in the thread is where a gigantic tower installation was removed after the proper permitting procedure and neighbor notification was skipped or (intentionally) overlooked due to the possible uproar. The address on the permit was incorrect, and the tower was removed a few months later.

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Tue, 22 May 2012 11:49:51 EDT

Jack_in_VA posted : Very true but there are 12 pages of comments by us computer keyboard legal experts and I've yet to see any official ruling by any court or AHJ that the pole and antenna in question is not a legal installation.

This is more a NIMBY argument thread than anything else.

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Tue, 22 May 2012 11:30:09 EDT

morbo posted : Right--however, that does not give companies a free pass to put up towers by completely bypassing state and local regulations. Companies do not have a free pass to do whatever they want in whatever location they want. Companies cannot skip the permitting process or the community input process just because there is a need for a cell phone tower. In every instance, there are multiple "good enough" locations for towers.

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Tue, 22 May 2012 11:27:20 EDT

Jack_in_VA posted :

said by morbo:

I think we are in agreement. A tower can't be denied without a reason, but it also isn't automatically approved because there is a need. A tower must comply with the state and local laws, and if it doesn't or if steps are skipped in building a tower then it can be removed.

The State and Local authorities cannot pass laws and regulations that are designed as a back door method to prohibit or hinder cell phone companies installing equipment such as cell towers or antenna on poles.

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Tue, 22 May 2012 11:23:27 EDT

morbo posted : I think we are in agreement. A tower can't be denied without a reason, but it also isn't automatically approved because there is a need. A tower must comply with the state and local laws, and if it doesn't or if steps are skipped in building a tower then it can be removed.

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Tue, 22 May 2012 03:55:03 EDT

John Galt posted : Just a reminder that utility poles are -not- towers...poles are typically exempt.

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Mon, 21 May 2012 19:30:44 EDT

iknow posted :

said by morbo:

They have to abide by federal law, state law, and local law. If they are in violation of local law regarding building a tower or repeater, then the there may be a legal case to be had. This is not environmental or safety issue. It is permit, building code, enforcement, etc. The FCC won't fine themselves, but it's possible the tower will have to be removed based on the other violations.

it's not the FCC that may be in violation of their own codes, but the local jurisdiction. in any case, there are limits on state and local laws imposed by the FCC, if a tower is needed for cell service, or to compete with another, state or local codes can't deny them. look at section 7. »www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/332

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Fri, 18 May 2012 12:23:53 EDT

morbo posted : They have to abide by federal law, state law, and local law. If they are in violation of local law regarding building a tower or repeater, then the there may be a legal case to be had. This is not environmental or safety issue. It is permit, building code, enforcement, etc. The FCC won't fine themselves, but it's possible the tower will have to be removed based on the other violations.

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Thu, 17 May 2012 19:01:58 EDT

iknow posted :

said by morbo:

Leave out #2 unless you have facts to support it. #3 is true but again, not as important as #1.

If you can show #1 is true, then you can get a local lawyer (preferably in the neighborhood) to take on the city/county for this issue.

Something like this happened in a town a few years ago. Residents living at the top of hill woke up to a giant cell phone tower (3x the size of this) in their backyards. It was the ideal location for the company, but the residents weren't informed properly. The address application for the tower was across the nearby highway, so I believe that is how and why residents weren't notified of the construction.

After the tower was up and running, the lawyer that lived adjacent to the tower filed suit. The tower was eventually removed.

If you can prove the county did not follow their own rules or skipped steps, you have recourse. Do keep in mind that you could be shooting yourself in the foot if the tower is your cell phone provider's tower. They may be likely to let your area wither after eating the cost of the lawsuit and tower removal. Providers have been known to be spiteful in that way.

Good luck!

like the local govenment will fine themselves!. it's up to them if they want to reconsider, but, they have to abide by federal law foremost. as had been stated previously. »wireless.fcc.gov/siting/FCC_LSGA···uide.pdf

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Thu, 17 May 2012 15:32:28 EDT

marigolds posted : I realized that the petition also misunderstands the implications of the averaging time. That is not the maximum length of exposure, like with sound, but rather the period over which exposure is averaged.

The longer the averaging time, the less peak exposure factors into the average exposure. Any peak exposure greater than the averaging time is going to be irrelevant; the average will simply be the peak. It is only when peak exposure is for time periods less than the averaging time that the averaging time becomes important.
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Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Thu, 17 May 2012 15:20:48 EDT

marigolds posted : I learned about several of these issues while working on our siren system.
For #1, they are ignoring the height of the pole and attenuation. If the pole is 65' high, than no one is within 60'; and the radiation is outwards, so ground radiation is going to be considerably less than being 65' straight out. Second aspect is that there will be considerably attenuation from the house walls. Our sirens have 5 watt transmitters at 800MHz, and they come nowhere close to exceeding FCC limits.
They made a major mistake using the FCC software as well. The software is specifically for FM transmissions. 1.5GHz is not in the FM band.

#3 is not going to help much.
I had to run a study on tornado siren placement, which are placed on similar poles (57' instead of 65', but same type of pole). There was no statistically significant loss of property value from being within any distance of a siren pole. In fact, there was a -gain- in property value from being within line of site of a siren pole (though not statistically significant, so it did not matter).

The real estate agents were misleading; poles cannot be considered in creating comps unless the building is within the fall distance of the pole. I doubt the agents were qualified to calculate fall distance, but it is going to be considerably less than 40' on a 65' wood pole. This happened a lot with the siren project. People went to real estate agents to try to prove they had lost value, and the agents claimed they were inside the fall line and calculated accordingly. We actually had no house within double the fall line; but the agents said what people wanted them to hear. There is no way any house outside the nearest house could be considered inside the fall distance, which means that legally the proximity of the pole cannot be taken into account in calculating comps for all other houses. For the nearest house, the question might arise of whether or not the house was built according to setbacks. Setbacks are normally created to ensure that any house built cannot be built within the fall line of any conforming pole placed in the right of way.

I actually had someone argue that one of our poles was too close to a bus stop and a danger to children if someone ran into the pole while they were standing there. I pointed out that in order to sheer off a siren pole, you would need a vehicle of at least 3 tons traveling 60 mph or more to sheer it off. Odds are that if a vehicle hit the pole and knocked it towards the children waiting at the bus stop, the pole would save the children rather than endanger them.

There is a minor, but significant, flaw in the last line. Right of ways are not easements. They are owned by the county, not the residents, and the residents have nearly zero legal control over what gets placed in them as they have no claim on the property inside the right of way.

As for the alternative, measuring from obliques show there are trees immediately adjacent to the ROW there that are many trees over 80' above the base elevation at the road, so I don't think a pole there is going to work at all. The pole currently sits on the local high point, with relatively few adjacent trees; that is probably the reason for choosing that site.
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Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Thu, 17 May 2012 11:16:59 EDT

morbo posted : Leave out #2 unless you have facts to support it. #3 is true but again, not as important as #1.

If you can show #1 is true, then you can get a local lawyer (preferably in the neighborhood) to take on the city/county for this issue.

Something like this happened in a town a few years ago. Residents living at the top of hill woke up to a giant cell phone tower (3x the size of this) in their backyards. It was the ideal location for the company, but the residents weren't informed properly. The address application for the tower was across the nearby highway, so I believe that is how and why residents weren't notified of the construction.

After the tower was up and running, the lawyer that lived adjacent to the tower filed suit. The tower was eventually removed.

If you can prove the county did not follow their own rules or skipped steps, you have recourse. Do keep in mind that you could be shooting yourself in the foot if the tower is your cell phone provider's tower. They may be likely to let your area wither after eating the cost of the lawsuit and tower removal. Providers have been known to be spiteful in that way.

Good luck!

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Thu, 17 May 2012 10:57:04 EDT

Jack_in_VA posted : The authorities are used to NIMBY arguments.

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Thu, 17 May 2012 10:54:51 EDT

John Galt posted : This petition has little chance of success due to the preemption rules...

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Thu, 17 May 2012 10:50:42 EDT

John Galt posted : Here is the file...

Cell_Tower P···inal.pdf

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Thu, 17 May 2012 10:31:08 EDT

PSWired posted :

said by DonLibes:

I've attached a petition (pdf) that was sent to the local government outlining the reasons to have the antennas+pole (mentioned in the very first post in this thread) moved. In short, the petition asserts three reasons:

1) county govt did not properly follow its own procedures
2) FCC limits exceeded
3) devaluation of property

I don't have the background to follow the "FCC limits exceeded" part of the petition so I'm particularly curious if it makes sense to people here.

I can't open that file inside the zip, what format is it?

Not sure if I linked this before, but this could be helpful:

»wireless.fcc.gov/siting/FCC_LSGA···uide.pdf

"In addition, a cellular facility is categorically excluded, regardless of its power, if it is not mounted on a building and the lowest point of the antenna is at least 10 meters (about 33 feet) above ground level."

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Thu, 17 May 2012 06:18:31 EDT

iknow posted :

said by DonLibes:

WOW, it seems whoever sent that in never read all the comments here!.
1) the county makes it own procedures so they don't have to follow them.
2) for this, accurate and verifiable evidence is needed
3) WHAT? having reliable cell service is very desirable

whoever is doing this needs to review the advice and do a lot more research which proves this is no problem.

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Thu, 17 May 2012 01:13:24 EDT

DonLibes posted : I've attached a petition (pdf) that was sent to the local government outlining the reasons to have the antennas+pole (mentioned in the very first post in this thread) moved. In short, the petition asserts three reasons:

1) county govt did not properly follow its own procedures
2) FCC limits exceeded
3) devaluation of property

I don't have the background to follow the "FCC limits exceeded" part of the petition so I'm particularly curious if it makes sense to people here.

Cell_Tower P···bloc.zip 463 bytes

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Wed, 28 Mar 2012 21:54:12 EDT

grobinette posted : Okay guys, some of you need to take a break and chill.

This is a simple discussion on a board on the internet and the world is not going to end if someone disagrees with what somebody else says here.

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Wed, 28 Mar 2012 21:33:44 EDT

Jack_in_VA posted :

said by LazMan:

We man ours 24/7 when the portables are out in the field... But then again, we keep them moving, too. 4 hours at a remote, to recharge the batteries, then onto the next one... We can run between 8 and 24 hrs on battery, depending on the location.

Larger sites have fixed gensets... Biggest one I personally maintain has 8 2MW generators, and 21 days on on-site fuel... Tier 3 datacentre...

Verizon doesn't have the manpower anymore to do much of anything. In my county when I moved in in 1989 the Telco was Continental who had 12 service techs. Then it was GTE who maintained the 12. Verizon bought them out and now there are 3.

So maybe your company in Canada has the manpower to accomplish keeping the system operating.

Re: Here's the law

Wed, 28 Mar 2012 21:28:50 EDT

Jack_in_VA posted : Are you saying i'm lying? Ok mods this is a flame. I don't know what your problem is Wayne but you have one.

You weren't here and I was very much without POTS many times due to batteries running down because generator at the switch 2-1/2 miles from me was stolen. They cut the chains to get them.

Re: how close can a cell tower be to a house?

Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:35:19 EDT

LazMan posted : We man ours 24/7 when the portables are out in the field... But then again, we keep them moving, too. 4 hours at a remote, to recharge the batteries, then onto the next one... We can run between 8 and 24 hrs on battery, depending on the location.

Larger sites have fixed gensets... Biggest one I personally maintain has 8 2MW generators, and 21 days on on-site fuel... Tier 3 datacentre...

Re: Here's the law

Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:11:56 EDT

49528867 posted :

said by Jack_in_VA:

Very true but they managed to keep it going for 17 days. However the generators they put on their POTS electronic switches kept being stolen almost as fast as they put them on.

That’s bullshit, switches in a central office or MTSO have their own on-site generators.

As to the field where remote terminals or sites are powered by generators that are tied down and booted.

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Re: Here's the law

Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:51:01 EDT

Jack_in_VA posted :

said by AVD:

said by Jack_in_VA:

Here our Verizon POTS continues to work and our Verizon Cell phones continue to work as the tower has a "Big" generator.

Its not the size of the generator, its the size of the fuel tank.

Very true but they managed to keep it going for 17 days. However the generators they put on their POTS electronic switches kept being stolen almost as fast as they put them on.

Re: Here's the law

Wed, 28 Mar 2012 09:37:33 EDT

AVD posted :

said by Jack_in_VA:

Here our Verizon POTS continues to work and our Verizon Cell phones continue to work as the tower has a "Big" generator.

Its not the size of the generator, its the size of the fuel tank.
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Re: Here's the law

Wed, 28 Mar 2012 07:36:09 EDT

Jack_in_VA posted :

said by toby:

Others like myself have several power outages per year due the weather or due to people running their trucks into power poles.

We do have a smart meter, but all our power is underground for several miles, so the power company only gets the power readings when they drive up our roads with their antenna pointing at houses or cabins in the forests.

When the power is out for more than a few hours, our CenturyLink phones no longer work. We have no phone service, we have no cell service, we have no power.

So if these meters help us in the surrounding areas to get power back quicker, then its ok by us. :)

A claim on insurance makes the premium go up, or at least stops it going down.

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When the power is out for more than a few hours, our CenturyLink phones no longer work. We have no phone service, we have no cell service, we have no power.

Here our Verizon POTS continues to work and our Verizon Cell phones continue to work as the tower has a "Big" generator. We have never been without phone service even after Isabel when the power was out 17 days.

I don't recall ever having a problem reporting an outage so the smart meter argument is just a smoke screen for the real reason to deploy them.

After having a claim then for lost food the adjuster said that events like that (Power failures) due to weather have no effect on individual rates going up.

Re: Here's the law

Wed, 28 Mar 2012 02:27:37 EDT

toby posted :

said by Jack_in_VA:

said by fifty nine:

said by Jack_in_VA:

Our POCO has a very effective phone outage notification system. They don't need to spend the millions required to replace the meters they just replaced a few years ago to allow remote reading.

As with anything there can be many justifications thrown in to mask the true intent which IMO is not notification of an outage.

When I'm not home I can't call if power is out. Meanwhile my fridge is getting warmer.

I like that they know when power is out.

How many times does that happen? I've been here since 1989 and had many power failures and only lost food one time and that was after Isabel when the power was out 17 days and no meter smart or not would have made any difference one way or the other . Besides I have insurance to cover a "REAL" loss. You're grasping at straws. Your opinion is your opinion only and is subject to review by others.