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booj

join:2011-02-07
Richmond, ON
reply to LiQuiD

Re: Bell to acquire Astral media

That's a giant list of content that will now never make it to Netflix.



Davesnothere
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That's OK.

NetFlix is just a convenient method to do something which we already did before in another way.


DanteX

join:2010-09-09
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reply to booj

The content industry sure likes to complain about piracy but they sure dont make it easy to obtain content via legal means do they?


bt

join:2009-02-26
canada
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reply to elwoodblues

said by elwoodblues:

No bloody way the Goverment should allow this, but knowing them, it'll be a rubber stamp of approval.

I suspect they'll have to divest themselves of some of the radio assets for the deal to go through. Kind of like how CTV/Globemedia had to divest the CityTV channels as part of the CHUM acquisition.


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reply to DanteX

 
One thing which I find silly is that the 'BIG 4' US networks (CBS, etc) block Canadian IPs from streaming almost all content which originates from their production facilities.

Some of it we can stream thru Canadian networks' websites, such as CTV or Global, but why should CBS etc bother to block our IPs ?

Is it an agreement to support advertising revenue for the Canadian TV networks' streaming sites ?

Or something else ?

p2p was around before decent quality streaming became a reality, and will be around for a long time later.

So if they continue to make it difficult for us to get content the legal way, well....


DanteX

join:2010-09-09
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What I really do not understand is why are the telecoms so protective of the Canadian networks in Canada? I mean all they do is re air programming that isnt original programming . why does ctv city global and others need American programming? when that content is already aired to us on the US stations we subscribe to.


bt

join:2009-02-26
canada
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reply to Davesnothere

said by Davesnothere:

Is it an agreement to support advertising revenue for the Canadian TV networks' streaming sites ?

Or something else ?

International licencing agreements. They don't have the legal ability to make the content directly available to viewers outside of the US. Gotta love copyright law.

What drives me really nuts is when it's an extra-content style clip. Behind the scenes stuff, promo clip, etc, that isn't restricted under those agreements and it's still blocked off.


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Toronto, ON

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reply to LiQuiD

One thing I am glad about with the whole copyright extremism going on by lobbyists, and crappy laws like C11 getting passed (its as good as passed, and C11 is only the beginning), is that VPN uptake (and knowledge about VPN's) will just continue to grow. Their little strategy of GeoIP blocking content will just continue to get less and less effective. Not to mention its going to drive everybody underground, we already see it with huge uptake in cloud storage traffic. The file sharers will always have their options no matter what regurgitated crap from the content industry gets passed into law.

I guess they will call it piracy by using a VPN service to watch shows on Hulu next... I know some sites actually proxy traffic to legitimate US streams so anyone in the world can watch it, no VPN required.

The new strategy will be paying $10/mo for a good VPN, and dump their $100/mo Cable TV.

Sure they will probably attack VPN providers next, but that wont stop me from renting a virtual machine server (VPS) and setting up OpenVPN on it, lets see them try and stop a whole dedicated server rental market too....

I suppose once their war on cloud storage and file locker services winds down, the war on the whole server hosting business is next.

What other industry gets to outlaw entire established markets and new technology? Its sickening how much power big content truly has...


jpaik

join:2002-01-09
Hamilton, ON
reply to grunze510

said by grunze510:

So let's see. Bell is a phone company, an internet company, has 2 wireless phone companies (Bell Mobility / Solo Mobile, and Virgin Mobile Canada which they fully bought out 3 years ago), 2 TV distribution mediums (Bell Satellite TV and Bell Fibe TV (IPTV)), they own a pretty huge media company (Bell Media), 2 electronics store chains (The Bell Store, and The Source which they bought about a year or 2 ago), and they own Bell Aliant in the Maritimes

Add to that the irony of Rogers and Cogeco paying Bell for the rights to TMN, HBO, etc.
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Spike
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said by jpaik:

Add to that the irony of Rogers and Cogeco paying Bell for the rights to TMN, HBO, etc.

Well its not that Bell and Rogers actually try to compete, if they did you'd see a lot more content wars. You'd see entire channels on your Cable vanish like you do in the US due to disagreements on pricing and contract renewals. You see Rogers has rights to lots of stuff, as does Bell, yet both carry eachothers content.


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reply to LiQuiD

And that's why we videotron subscribers had to wait ages to get Space and Discovery in HD. Bell owns them.
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bt

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said by Guspaz:

And that's why we videotron subscribers had to wait ages to get Space and Discovery in HD. Bell owns them.

Everyone had to wait ages to get Space in HD. Though presumably you mean waiting even longer after they launched it last July.

grunze510

join:2009-02-14
Cote Saint-Luc, QC
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I think there's a whole bunch of channels that Videotron doesn't offer in HD, like Animal Planet Canada. Oh, and would you look at who owns the channel...


DanteX

join:2010-09-09
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reply to Spike

Thati s exactly what I have done. Have a VPS over seas with a provider who is user friendly wipes their butt with infringement notices and such.I set up a Openvpn server and even am looking at distributing keys to people I know and even try to branch out and sell keys for a decent price + SSH tunnel access as an addon


bt

join:2009-02-26
canada
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reply to grunze510

Also just launched in HD, so it's not exactly like one side has been holding out on the other for years



TwiztedZero
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reply to slinky

Meh, I dun give a fig what they do to IPTV.
I have OTA HDTVvia ATSC Tuner CM4221 + XBMC along with plugin+plugin+plugin through Pc/laptop/Hdtv/tablet/etc.
I'm good (for now). Unless they suddenly turnabout and 'kill' OTA by requring a decoder box to decrypt signals. In which case Imma find a way to beat the sheet outa it.


bt

join:2009-02-26
canada
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Psst.... OTA already does require a decoder. It's just (likely) build into your TV, and is unencrypted



TwiztedZero
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reply to Guspaz

said by Guspaz:

And that's why we videotron subscribers had to wait ages to get Space and Discovery in HD. Bell owns them.

All of those are avail online. At least the ones they put on the web, you can usually see them via XBMC if you have the Canada on Demand Plugin.


moemoe888

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reply to LiQuiD

Bell should've used that 3 billion for more Fibe TV expansion. I mean, in some markets, Bell has 40% DSL, phone market share vs cable 60% internet, phone and TV.

Bell, get a substantial TV market share before buying content.


cog_biz_user
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join:2011-04-19
Hamilton, ON
reply to grunze510

said by grunze510:

So let's see. Bell is a phone company, an internet company, has 2 wireless phone companies (Bell Mobility / Solo Mobile, and Virgin Mobile Canada which they fully bought out 3 years ago), 2 TV distribution mediums (Bell Satellite TV and Bell Fibe TV (IPTV)), they own a pretty huge media company (Bell Media), 2 electronics store chains (The Bell Store, and The Source which they bought about a year or 2 ago), and they own Bell Aliant in the Maritimes.

I guess that wasn't enough for them. With the buyout of Astral Media, would they be the largest media company in Canada?

if the government was smart, they would step in and bust up these mega-conglomerates... but oh wait, they pay off the crtc to look the other way...
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Gone
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reply to LiQuiD

My gut feeling tells me that someone at one level or another is going to put a stop to this before it is allowed to proceed.



elwoodblues
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said by Gone:

My gut feeling tells me that someone at one level or another is going to put a stop to this before it is allowed to proceed.

Nope,I think what JF said in CanChat is right, they would have already asked the minister his "feelings" on the acquisition before it happened. Not that the idiot knows anything, he'd have to ask his boss if it was ok anyway.

It's like it's a cozy little club, wink wink, nudge nudge, in the US it seems that they corporations make the acquisitions, and barge full steam ahead, and deal with the fall out afterwards (See AT&T Tmobile).
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Gone
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He may have asked the minister, but he may not have been able to adequately predict the political shitstorm that would occur, particularly since this is an Ontario company (despite legally being based in Montreal) taking over a Quebec one.

It's not going to happen, at the very least not in the form that was announced today. If it does, they're going to need to spin off a whole lot of stuff, most particularly TMN.



Last Parade

join:2002-10-07
Port Colborne, ON
reply to LiQuiD

Does this mean if I listen to CKTB or CFRB too much I'll be sent a bill for bandwidth overages?


bt

join:2009-02-26
canada
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reply to Gone

I doubt they'll need to spin of TMN, or any of the TV channels. It's the radio market concentration that might be an issue.


jfmezei
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CTV Canwest and City exist primarily because they are able to get exclusive rights to US programmes. In doing so, they force cable companies to do that silly channel substitution and they also usually get on-line and mobile distribution rights.

Remove their exclusivity and their whole business strategy falls apart.

Bell Canada ignored the CRTC ruling that said "no" to exclusive mobile content.

I think that The Harper Government® is more likely to say "lets enable competition, lets remove exclusivity rights than to block further concentration in the market.

This would give CTV incentive to remove their obnoxious logo and animations at bottom of screen and air the program, run the program right to the end (they often cut away before "coming next week" clip, and oerhaps put fewer ads than the original US broadcast. Then they'd win customers.

By having exclusive deals, they are basically a monopoly. The only competition is between CTV and Global on who will pay the most for a USA program and this results in higher costs for the canadian network and thus more ads.



elwoodblues
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If the government elects to remove SimSub, they start screaming for more LPIF payments in exchange.

More ad time? For Canadian produced shows, sure, but for American ones? Unless they plan on trimming each and every show to allow for more commercials(and when people find out....)the peeps will not be happy about losing content considering many "1 hour" shows are in the sub 42 minute mark.
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moemoe888

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reply to LiQuiD

Bell is not as big as some people have suggested on here. Perhaps the leading media companies it owns gives that impression.

In TV, home phone, DSL, cable companies (Rogers, Videotron) have way more market share than Bell.

Given Bell's low market share in cable, internet, and home phone, I think the CRTC should approve this acquisition.


DanteX

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Bell CEO pulling double duty as a troll lol



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I just read it on my phone, but can't find it on the website,the Globe has a very anti-merger OPED posted.

Here is an idea of what BCE will look like if this is allowed to go through. I would expect too much howling in the media, the others will want this to go through so they can make their own acquisitions.

Robellus is coming closer to reality folks, and we have a government that might just allow it.
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