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neufuse

join:2006-12-06
James Creek, PA
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·Comcast

House ran off Line extender

well I am scratching my head on this one... they came out to survey the new UG line to my house and here our house was plugged directly into the line extender test port... not off a tap, but right off the test port...

they wanted to run it back there and connect it to the same spot again... I thought this was a big no no? any line guys out there to comment on this? our signal power levels are in the +18db range on most channels at the house drop demark

the guy said the line coming off it right to our house was "302" or "320" cant remember which number he said ? not sure what type that is, I thought it was RG-11 but he insisted it wasn't.. its a pretty thick line to the house

dishrich

join:2006-05-12
Springfield, IL
I've actually seen that many a time, depending on how far the house was from the plant. (ie: NOT your typical length of an RG-6 drop from the tap to your house)

About how far away IS your house from the plant?

neufuse

join:2006-12-06
James Creek, PA
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·Comcast
my house is 100 ft from the line extender... im in a pretty populated negiborhood the funny thing, right across the road the other way (a whole 80 ft) is a ped which has a tap on it... they took the long route for some reason to the LE

(im on a corner lot, the only way to get to the closer Ped with the tap, you'd have to go under the road... to get the the LE you just go to my front yard, but there is no tap at the LE ped)


DrDrew
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reply to neufuse
Test point levels are usually 20 or 30 dB down from the actual output level of the line extender, which usually puts the levels within a few dB of what the tap levels would be would be.

rody_44
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Quakertown, PA
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Test point on a line extender? Line extenders only have one output and the test point around here would be the tap hooked to it. They more than likely moved the line when it was cut. They probably layed the temp and had a guy come out later with a scope and sniffer. Probably gave it max signal when they used the sniffer.


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said by rody_44:

Test point on a line extender? Line extenders only have one output and the test point around here would be the tap hooked to it.

You must've gotten all the cheap ones. Every one I've seen from SA, Arris, GI, Texscan, and Magnovox have them. On the input and output side.

Problem is getting to them without opening the lid as not many lids have pass-through ports now, since it's optional and cost extra.
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DrDrew
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reply to neufuse
said by neufuse:

the guy said the line coming off it right to our house was "302" or "320" cant remember which number he said ? not sure what type that is, I thought it was RG-11 but he insisted it wasn't.. its a pretty thick line to the house

It's 320.

Commscope QR 320 cable:
»www.tvcinc.com/coaxial-cable/com···s-cable/
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rody_44
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join:2004-02-20
Quakertown, PA
reply to DrDrew
Inside yes, but i worked for comcast for more than 10 years and now work for service electric. Never have i seen the test ports outside where a drop can be hooked to it.

neufuse

join:2006-12-06
James Creek, PA
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·Comcast
reply to DrDrew
there was a F connector on the top and one on the bottom that looked like a standard cable connector, and next to it was a couple of large ports where the really thick feeder cable tied into it.. this is an older SciAtl LE I guess they where pass through ports, not exactly sure, only going by what the line man said he was pretty shocked it was connected there, he called out someone else and that person was the one that said just leave it connected to that.. *scratches head* I duno, all I know is the power levels coming out of that port are +24db after it goes through the grounding block and the temp patch they put in for now (line was cut) it loses a bit of signal... they checked the signal at the other ped and it was going out at +10db but it only had two connectors on it and they didn't seem to want to switch it out for a tap with more ports... since this is getting retrenched, I'd rather have it done right then done "quick"... all this was done under adelphia previously... this is the first time comcast worked on this leg of the network since then apparently where a reconfiguration was needed

neufuse

join:2006-12-06
James Creek, PA
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reply to rody_44
There was an about 3/4" thick cable going in the top of it, and one the same width going out the bottom.. there was no tap in the ped, the cable that is hooked up to the "test port" I'm only calling it that because the line guy called it that., is the old cable that was cut, he was suprised it was hooked up there as there was no tap... we don't have a temp cable yet, all they did was patch the cut on the old cable so far with a RG6 cable and ran that to the house, so from the patch to the Ped is still the "320" cable which is underground

neufuse

join:2006-12-06
James Creek, PA
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·Comcast
reply to neufuse
was just talking to the line guy that was out today, he said yes that is a "output test port" and the one on the top is a "input test port" this was a different guy then yesterday... but looks like they are replacing the LE too due to its age and something they noticed about it acting oddly (not sure how they test them)... guy already had a new one out there... and put on a new tap where the guy yesterday said wasn't going to be... looks like they are moving my line to the "correct" location... they put white flags down the yard in that direction instead of taking the long route to the LE


SeaSeaTee5

join:2010-05-06
Maryland
reply to neufuse
Sound's like someone was lazy and didn't want to cut in a tap. Plugging in to that test point is the equivalent of using a push-on connector to hook up a drop at a tap.

Not to even mention the leakage issues.


SeaSeaTee5

join:2010-05-06
Maryland
reply to rody_44
The GI's we have here have screw in plugs in the housings to access some if not all of the test ports on an LE. They can be useful for checking noise on the return leg output. 1 port cap to unscrew instead of 6 bolts to loosen


flwpwr

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reply to rody_44
said by rody_44:

Inside yes, but i worked for comcast for more than 10 years and now work for service electric. Never have i seen the test ports outside where a drop can be hooked to it.

Go look at the old General Electric stuff then, removable cap on the front cover that opens a hole directly to the internal test ports. And I mean OLD stuff had this, newer moto still has it, since they bought general electric and use basically the same case designs, if only it was more exact since a lot times they just don't line up to a usable level. Making it better to just open the case instead of risk wasting time.

As to the OP, possible he is coming out of a Pin2F off the actual output of a LE or more likely Bridger. And yes this is stupid any noise from loose fittings, bad fittings, whatever, you shoot straight into the system then. Which should be a REAL MEN OF GENIUS commercial all to itself. Sacrificing the entire network stability for that extra 3 dB - real men of genius.

QR320 off of a output port on a Bridger = maintenance is going to kill them when they find them after tracking down the HSI/CDV outage from noise when they screwed up the QR 320 fitting. YAY. You either have a long drop and they though you needed the extra omph, or they just did not want to cut in a tap, probably a contractor who gets paid piece work, typical idiocy they do...


flwpwr

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bah extra 13 dB >

neufuse

join:2006-12-06
James Creek, PA
reply to flwpwr
I wouldn't consider a ~100ft drop a long drop, but that's me *lol* it was a whole 100ish ft from the grounding block on my house to the ped in my yard... I think they just didn't want to bore under the road to get to the closest ped

neufuse

join:2006-12-06
James Creek, PA
reply to neufuse
Guess it was 320 cable, just looked up the connector that is at our house and this was it »www.catv-home.com/productshow.as···3&cid=94 big thing...

ComcastTech

join:2008-05-31
reply to neufuse
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I'm actually kinda jealous. I ran .320 to my house, but no LE near me.

neufuse

join:2006-12-06
James Creek, PA
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reply to neufuse
I don't know if I should laugh or cry at this point... they came out with a mechanical trencher and were running it... looks like verizon had no idea where their lines where either... went right through the main line for the negiborhood *laughing so hard im crying* it was 20 ft! from the curb where they marked it as hand dig here

although I'm a bit pissed I have a thick verizon line going through the middle of my side yard...


DrDrew
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said by neufuse:

I don't know if I should laugh or cry at this point... they came out with a mechanical trencher and were running it... looks like verizon had no idea where their lines where either... went right through the main line for the negiborhood *laughing so hard im crying* it was 20 ft! from the curb where they marked it as hand dig here

although I'm a bit pissed I have a thick verizon line going through the middle of my side yard...

Twisted pair, fiber, or coax?
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neufuse

join:2006-12-06
James Creek, PA
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its twisted pair, verizons out there now patching that... looks like a LOT of pairs.. dont get how they know what is what since their colors repeat tons of times it looks like with different white and colored line patterns... the line is about inch and a half to two inches thick

rody_44
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join:2004-02-20
Quakertown, PA
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reply to neufuse
They run out of colors so they have what i call packs. i think its like 50 pairs to a group but that number is a guess. If its really like two inches thick its probably a 1500 pair line. Thats a lot of splicing and the last time i saw one that big hit took them almost 2 days to do. they have to splice it twice because they have to make the line longer. Sucks to be them guys today.


cypherstream
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join:2004-12-02
Reading, PA
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reply to DrDrew
Nice Arris shots. I forget sometimes they bought CCOR. CCOR bought Magnavox too, so there's many Magnavox housings here with CCOR guts in them.


DrDrew
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said by cypherstream:

Nice Arris shots.

They should be, they're off the Arris website.

Although I've used both of those amp types from the original makers with the lids that have test point passthrough covers on them.

I've also used that rebadged Magnavox LE housing in a "micro" node type function with fiber in and RF out.

neufuse

join:2006-12-06
James Creek, PA
Reviews:
·Comcast
reply to neufuse
Well all is fixed now...

they came out, actually put orange conduit in the ground, ran a new QR320 line to the new tap from the house... and they actually ran new line and conduit to the 4 neghibors houses also! kinda amazed by that, but when they said they where going to reengineer the neghiborhood they must of ment it... replaced 4 taps, the 4 new conduit and line, the new LE... apparently rebalanced everything... singnals at the drop use to be +15 or higher db now its +6db at the drop, and after the splitters the tv's and cable modem are all +1 or 0db with SNR of 39

they actually went well beyond fixing my line and fixed all my neighbors also and future proofed them with the conduit if a new line needs ran ever


telcodad
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Congratulations!

Now you just need to buy a bunch of these (»www.compliancesigns.com/ACE-14046.shtml) and post them along the conduit route!

rody_44
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join:2004-02-20
Quakertown, PA
He is in pa. I doubt 811 works here but it might. I do mine online but homeowners are NOT allowed to use the online featuire.


gar187er
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join:2006-06-24
Dover, DE
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811 was a national directive pushed in 2007....it works in all 50 states....

call811.com
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neufuse

join:2006-12-06
James Creek, PA
reply to rody_44
811 is the number in PA for PA One Call

neufuse

join:2006-12-06
James Creek, PA
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reply to neufuse
alright... well I guess one problem, noticed the PED they left the front cover off and laying in my yard... can I just put that back on and be done with it? they never came back today and its still open... so guess they just forgot, its one of the larger 4ft tall ones not the little foot tall ones