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Re: DataCenter said by vpoko:said by 25139889:And why be busy worrying about NSA if you have nothing to hide? That argument is so tired & cliche that only those with a complete lack of creativity even bother with it anymore. Why not let the FBI put a camera in every room of your home? You've got nothing to hide! Interesting how that is apparently tiring and a cliche while the ad naseum 'government is out to get me' paranoia is not.
Personally, I more concerned about all of these private (unaccountable) corporations that are amassing massive amounts of data on us this very day, than some tin-foil paranoia about our government.
You realize with some basic information about you, I can buy your every detail from data-mining companies and there is nothing you can do about it. That to me is more of a threat than my government. |
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join:2003-07-03
Boston, MA | Concern about one doesn't preclude concern about the other.
Both the government and private companies have a documented history of misusing information to go after citizens. It doesn't take a tin-foil hat to assume that it could happen again given the history. |
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·Callcentric
| said by vpoko:Concern about one doesn't preclude concern about the other.
Both the government and private companies have a documented history of misusing information to go after citizens. It doesn't take a tin-foil hat to assume that it could happen again given the history.
Indeed, however one is accountable to the American people the other is not.
For obvious reasons, data-mining is heavily regulated in developed nations and you can opt to have all of your information removed when you seize doing business with a company. Moreover, you can opt-out of having any sort of data about you stored by third-parties. |
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | reply to Telco
That argument is so tired & cliche that only those with a complete lack of creativity even bother with it anymore. Why not let the FBI put a camera in every room of your home? You've got nothing to hide!
Interesting how that is apparently tiring and a cliche while the ad naseum 'government is out to get me' paranoia is not. Personally, I more concerned about all of these private (uncountable) corporations that are amassing massive amounts of data on us this very day, than some tin-foil paranoia about our government.
The one major difference between the two is "liberty"... a corporation has no ability to take away your liberty but the government does.
These corporations that are mining your data are largely doing so in order to sell you something. Do you NOT see the difference?
There's also something called the constitution. You know, that document that basically is the DNA and foundation of this country?... think back to the period of time when this country was founded as well... can you remember any wars or battles that were fought, where people died and stuff.. yea.. people died too. They didn't die for your right to live ad free.. but they did die for your right to not be oppressed by your government - in fact they went as far as to ensure that the new government was going to be we the people.
It really saddens me to sit here and see people, such as yourself and NW Ohio, who clearly have no common ground with their country. The "you have nothing to hide" argument is a sign of "I have no idea what this country is founded on".. and your attempt to tie a corporation into government and compare what the two do with your information also shows the lack of desire to focus on what this argument is really about.. it also shows your own selfish arguments.. I get it, you're one of those "I can't be botherd" people.
You realize with some basic information about you, I can buy your every detail from data-mining companies and there is nothing you can do about it. That to me is more of a threat than my government.
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vpokoPremium
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Boston, MA | reply to Telco
And you should be able to do it here. You won't hear me defending companies' data collection policies.
But on the government end of things, accountability is tough when people aren't given information on what the government is doing. I'm not naive, I realize that certain intelligence and law enforcement activities require secrecy. But if there is domestic electronic surveillance happening on a massive scale, and we don't know the extent of it, we can't exactly hold anyone accountable. |
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Alex Jones is that you?
said by fiberguy:You sir are ignorant. Corporations are out for money.. the government, thus far, does not control your liberty - that's your freedom in case you didn't know (which based on your comments I'm sure you don't know that so now you do).. a corporation can't take
your freedom away, only the govenment can. Of course I'm ignorant because I do not buy you liberty rant or baseless government is out to get me nonsense. The irony is that money and power do indeed go hand in hand. If you think it's just about wealth, you are a fool.
Nevertheless, whenever I hear someone going on some tirade about liberty, I think of those wackos who have kids locked up in their basements that want their privacy. Kind of like Phillip Craig Garrido who would go on the exact same rants whenever authorities questioned him.
Once again, one scenario is based on fact and reality, the other is right up there with the rest of the tin-foil conspiracies. |
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| Don't forget... the government is a puppet to corporate funding.
How many laws were effectively written by corporate lawyers, funded by corporate lobbiests. |
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 elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | reply to Telco
NSA is no more accountable then Google is whats your point |
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andre2
join:2005-08-24
Brookline, MA | reply to Telco
said by Telco:You realize with some basic information about you, I can buy your every detail from data-mining companies and there is nothing you can do about it. That to me is more of a threat than my government.
Changing the companies you deal with is a lot easier than moving to a different country. |
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What? How? |
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3
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You have issues.
You clearly have no idea how important the constitution is to the foundation to this country. But that's okay, please, don't let someone like me interrupt your facebooking, or twittering, or time spent on YouTube or playing angry birds.
Dude, people have died to protect the very thing you could give a shit less about.. while you try to trivial and marginalize things, you often forget something. There's a difference between believing in your country, your government and politics. Our country is something I believe in. Our government is able to be corrupt by man.. people can infiltrate government at many levels,... the one thing that keeps this country straight is the very thing you could care less about which is the constitution.
No matter what, in the end of the day.. corporations are corporations, and the government/law is government. You can't say they're the same.. not at all. Governments still are in the hands of the people and the people can change them. Corporations are not the government. People of these corps can, like anyone else, enter into politics to sway laws to their favor.. you think you sitting here telling me or anyone else that says you think you're on a much higher level than the rest of us. But one thing for sure, it's not a corporation that changes laws.. the government does. If a corporate player enters government, it's STILL government that changes the law, not the corporation. In short, our system is still based on our laws, and they're changed IN GOVERNMENT. Everything else you speak of is just spewed to make yourself appear smarter.. you're one of those people that believes things are they way you see them - I'm sorry, but I look at the situation for what it really is.
You're simply put ignorant and there is no point wasting more HDD space on you. |
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| "The Constitution is just a God damned piece of paper" - President George W. Bush
It has not been "our" country for a long, long time. |
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | said by meeeeeeeeee:"The Constitution is just a God damned piece of paper" - President George W. Bush
It has not been "our" country for a long, long time.
So, one retarded moron makes his opinion known, that you believe that it's done and over with? wow...! NICE! You clearly have no concept of America do you. I'm glad you're just one vote and have no major influence.
Yes, the idiot said that, but while HE may believe he had the ability to tear the constitution out of our nation, the Supreme Court disagrees... see, while it's your opinion it's not "our" country for a long long time.. that view, just like Bush's, is worthless.
Please, study history and civics a bit more to understand how our nation works. |
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join:2004-12-10
Lorton, VA
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said by meeeeeeeeee:"The Constitution is just a God damned piece of paper" - President George W. Bush I wish the NSA a speedy and unsettling demise.
However, I'm not sure that quoting Urban Legends is the best way to make that happen.
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The Dark Tower's Skynet evolves from 4chan. |
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vpokoPremium
join:2003-07-03
Boston, MA | reply to meeeeeeeeee
said by meeeeeeeeee:"The Constitution is just a God damned piece of paper" - President George W. Bush As much as I disliked the Bush presidency, I never was able to find a source for that quote (though I've heard it before). Any citation? |
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