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billydunwood

join:2008-04-23
united state
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[General] Recycling Theft and the people that do it

Honestly, I live in a suburb outside Los Angeles. We have a lot of people stealing cans and bottles from Blue or Recycling Bins. It has gotten worse. Now, the people go INTO the back yard and driveways of people's houses/apartment to steal the bottles and cans. Not only does the city lose money when people steal, but they often throw trash on the ground to get to the bottles and cans. I don't understand the arguement either that "They are just trying to make ends meet". No. Stealing from the city and causing trash rates to go up(it would eventually go up, but not as much if they weren't stealing) is making it bad for everybody. Plus, going into backyards and on other's property is not right. Just wanted to Rant and see people's opinions.

Sorry Mods if this should be in The Pub. It is a Rant, but I don't know if the Pub is a better place for it.
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thegeek
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Move to a nicer area where there aren't a bunch of crooks roaming the streets?


LocutusBorg
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reply to billydunwood

Its not theft. once trash is put on the curb its public property and a free for all. there is nothing you can do


LocutusBorg
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oops

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bionicRod
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Re: [General] Recycling Theft and the people that do it

said by LocutusBorg:

Its not theft. once trash is put on the curb its public property and a free for all. there is nothing you can do

Honestly I wouldn't care if they wanted the recyclables. If they're throwing the rest of the garbage on the ground though I see how that could be irritating as hell, plus they could get busted for littering.

raster44

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Not in my city. Several trash pickers have got cited for this as they don't have city permits to collect trash put out for collection by city workers. We have city trash and recyclable containers and these have to be used to be collected. Once a month you can put out bulk collections and they have to meet strict guidelines. Just like you have to have a permit to do snow plowing or commercial lawn care. Hit with a $500 fine.

Guy used to go around and sort recycle bins for return deposit beverage cans and he got a citation right in front at my neighbors house. Neighbor didn't care as he even put them in a separate clear plastic bag on top so he could get easily at them. Guy created some messes at other houses though, and they complained. Hell, I take mine back for the deposit only takes a couple of minutes if you do it regularly.


billydunwood

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reply to LocutusBorg

said by LocutusBorg:

Its not theft. once trash is put on the curb its public property and a free for all. there is nothing you can do

If it is in a bin, as most trash is, it is property of the city. When they come on people's property to do it, they can be cited for tresspassing as well. There is no excuse for going in my backyard or carport to get recyclables.
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Omega
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said by billydunwood:

said by LocutusBorg:

Its not theft. once trash is put on the curb its public property and a free for all. there is nothing you can do

If it is in a bin, as most trash is, it is property of the city.

No it isn't. If it is on the street, it is fair game.

When they come on people's property to do it, they can be cited for tresspassing as well. There is no excuse for going in my backyard or carport to get recyclables.

This is true and I agree with it.
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DelmarPip
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i do that when people put there cans outside i take them and recyle them for cash and buy me stuff the way i see it is they will just recyle them for nothin this way atleast il get cash and have money to buy some food


billydunwood

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reply to Omega

said by Omega:

said by billydunwood:

said by LocutusBorg:

Its not theft. once trash is put on the curb its public property and a free for all. there is nothing you can do

If it is in a bin, as most trash is, it is property of the city.

No it isn't. If it is on the street, it is fair game.

When they come on people's property to do it, they can be cited for tresspassing as well. There is no excuse for going in my backyard or carport to get recyclables.

This is true and I agree with it.

it is property of the city. It says it right on the bun. For instance, city of Culver City and Los Angeles bins say, "all items inside are property of the city of culver city/los angeles" in both english and spanish. Scavenging laws.
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M A R S
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reply to LocutusBorg

said by LocutusBorg:

Its not theft. once trash is put on the curb its public property and a free for all. there is nothing you can do

Not in my town, if there is a lid on the pail its is NOT public property. I think its the only place in the country that has such a law.


Xioden
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reply to billydunwood

The funny thing is, if someone left out a rocking chair at the curb and some guy drove by and picked it up no one would likely say a thing as the city wouldn't be making any money off of it.


billydunwood

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said by Xioden:

The funny thing is, if someone left out a rocking chair at the curb and some guy drove by and picked it up no one would likely say a thing as the city wouldn't be making any money off of it.

Because the rocking chair wouldn't be in a bin that says all property inside belongs to the city
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fatness
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reply to billydunwood

said by billydunwood:

it is property of the city. It says it right on the bun. For instance, city of Culver City and Los Angeles bins say, "all items inside are property of the city of culver city/los angeles" in both english and spanish. Scavenging laws.

If a person puts something in their recycling bin and takes it back out are they stealing?
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billydunwood

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said by fatness:

said by billydunwood:

it is property of the city. It says it right on the bun. For instance, city of Culver City and Los Angeles bins say, "all items inside are property of the city of culver city/los angeles" in both english and spanish. Scavenging laws.

If a person puts something in their recycling bin and takes it back out are they stealing?

good question, i wouldn't know. Im just saying people shouldn't take things that aren't their's and they should never go on other people's property without permission
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dvd536
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They're arresting people doing that here. losses are costing the city $1M/month.



Steve Mehs
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I am so glad my town has none of these idiotic recycling programs. Here everything, paper, glass, plastic goes in the same bag and gets taken away. No stupid bins. As long as you aren’t leaving anything that is a biohazard or any large appliance down by the road the garbage guys don’t care. Twice a year, once in November and once in May we have two bulk garbage days, where anything and everything goes.
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Omega
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reply to billydunwood

said by billydunwood:

said by fatness:

said by billydunwood:

it is property of the city. It says it right on the bun. For instance, city of Culver City and Los Angeles bins say, "all items inside are property of the city of culver city/los angeles" in both english and spanish. Scavenging laws.

If a person puts something in their recycling bin and takes it back out are they stealing?

good question, i wouldn't know. Im just saying people shouldn't take things that aren't their's and they should never go on other people's property without permission

I agree. But in the three locations I have lived in, in three states, trash was either put on the tree lawn or in the street. The tree lawn is considered public property even though the homeowner is required to care for it. Thus, anyone who looks at your garbage while it is put out to be collected is not trespassing. Now, as I said before if your garbage is still in your back yard, and they are getting into that, then it is trespassing.

While I acknowledge that your city does have that law, I wonder how it would hold up against Greenwood v California. The supreme court explicitly stated that people should not expect a right to privacy in their trash if it is waiting to be collected. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California···reenwood While this case was mainly centered around law enforcement's ability to gather evidence without a warrant, this sentence stands out "the Court believed it to be common knowledge that garbage at the side of the street is readily accessible to animals, children, scavengers, snoops, and other members of the public.

Also, how is your city losing money? Do they cash in on the CRV that California puts on all its bottles and cans? If this is true, then the city isn't losing money, you are losing money. You are the one that paid the CRV. When I lived in CA, I would keep all my plastic bottles and cans, then take them in to the recycling station on my own so I could get my money back. My city had a recycling program, but I didn't freely give them the bottles. Maybe am I missing something, but it sounds like the city is losing out on the opportunity to take your money by people taking bottles and cans out of your trash.
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billydunwood

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said by Omega:

I agree. But in the three locations I have lived in, in three states, trash was either put on the tree lawn or in the street. The tree lawn is considered public property even though the homeowner is required to care for it. Thus, anyone who looks at your garbage while it is put out to be collected is not trespassing. Now, as I said before if your garbage is still in your back yard, and they are getting into that, then it is trespassing.

While I acknowledge that your city does have that law, I wonder how it would hold up against Greenwood v California. The supreme court explicitly stated that people should not expect a right to privacy in their trash if it is waiting to be collected. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California···reenwood While this case was mainly centered around law enforcement's ability to gather evidence without a warrant, this sentence stands out "the Court believed it to be common knowledge that garbage at the side of the street is readily accessible to animals, children, scavengers, snoops, and other members of the public.

Also, how is your city losing money? Do they cash in on the CRV that California puts on all its bottles and cans? If this is true, then the city isn't losing money, you are losing money. You are the one that paid the CRV. When I lived in CA, I would keep all my plastic bottles and cans, then take them in to the recycling station on my own so I could get my money back. My city had a recycling program, but I didn't freely give them the bottles. Maybe am I missing something, but it sounds like the city is losing out on the opportunity to take your money by people taking bottles and cans out of your trash.

Both myself and the City are losing money. Yes I paid the CRV, but the city does sell the recyclables to Brokers for money for the people who thinks its too much of a hassle or whatever yo recycle them. I myself recycle, so I get some money back. This is an article from Northern California but it is very informational: »www.cityofsantacruz.com/Modules/···id=12992
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Omega
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California should just get rid of the CRV then. Other states have great recycling participation without a CRV. But California get rid of a tax? Not likley.
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billydunwood

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said by Omega:

California should just get rid of the CRV then. Other states have great recycling participation without a CRV. But California get rid of a tax? Not likley.

Completley agree. CA is a tax state. We don't need more taxes!
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gar187er
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we get lots of other thefts in my area, rural DE.....copper thefts from farms is a big one.....also with my line of work (cable lineman) i find lots of copper grounds on electric poles cut......even had a couple thefts from vacant houses.....

there are harmless thefts, i can see rummaging through trash bins on public property (back alleys, and such), but on someones property is a little much....
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billydunwood

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said by gar187er:

we get lots of other thefts in my area, rural DE.....copper thefts from farms is a big one.....also with my line of work (cable lineman) i find lots of copper grounds on electric poles cut......even had a couple thefts from vacant houses.....

there are harmless thefts, i can see rummaging through trash bins on public property (back alleys, and such), but on someones property is a little much....

Yup, agreed. On the streets, I just pass by them and give them a funny face, nothing more. But when they go on people's poroperty way too much. And, if/when the economy gets worse, they wil move from stealing recyclables, to stealing stuff from cars and houses. And since they already go on other's property they have a head start...
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bassjunky

join:2005-05-12
Aubrey, TX
reply to thegeek

said by thegeek:

Move to a nicer area where there aren't a bunch of crooks roaming the streets?

Yeah, that's a reasonable solution, just move! /s