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FloridaBoy

join:2009-06-22
Bradenton, FL
reply to S_engineer

Re: "Wall Street punished us for investing in FIOS."

said by S_engineer:

So anything that moves America forward, gets pushback from the new American aristocracy known as Wall Street. Chinese wages...here we come!

C'mon S, got to keep that stock price up!! Never mind a bigger payout later, we need cash now!!

serge87

join:2009-11-29
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

2 recommendations

said by FloridaBoy:

C'mon S, got to keep that stock price up!! Never mind a bigger payout later, we need cash now!!

gone are the days of long-term investment...now it's all instant gratification!


PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX0fIi3H-es

Telco

join:2008-12-19

1 recommendation

reply to serge87

It's time our nation start a national project to install FTTH, just like we did with roads, water, electricity etc.

Imagine the hundreds of thousands of jobs it would create alone.



Smith6612
Premium,MVM
join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:24

We "tried" and failed. I think the Broadband Stimulus was supposed to go towards some FTTP.



S_engineer
Premium
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL

1 recommendation

reply to Telco

said by Telco:

It's time our nation start a national project to install FTTH, just like we did with roads, water, electricity etc.

Imagine the hundreds of thousands of jobs it would create alone.

That's good, but I'd take it several steps further....regulate it as a utililty. Install federal, or local pucs to regulate this utility per region. Define a cap as a price forcing the isps to justify cap range for in the given context of it's technology ( i.e. Fios vs Docsis 3). Extend this to wireless as well. All Pucs are to be made up of engineers with zero political affiliation. Also forcing isps to justify all price increases...not to just placate Wall Street. Now some will argue that this would be a socialist gov't take over, well...I hope you use that same argument for those that monitor communications.

Remember...if it's got a meter, it's a utility
--
"Thanks for the dance... and cut yourself a slice'a throat! "
- Curly (HOI POLLOI, 1935)


skuv

@rr.com
reply to Telco

Unless you are going to get private citizens to do it themselves without permits, it's not going to happen.

The telco lobbyists control this. If it's going to get done, it's going to get done under their terms and for their benefit.


Telco

join:2008-12-19
Reviews:
·Callcentric

2 recommendations

reply to S_engineer

We did it with the interstates, why not do the same with something as crucial as our data networks...

I noticed the Aussies are rolling out a national wholesale FTTH network. That way their government owns and control the underlying infrastructure, while much like a road, any number of businesses can utilize it and resell their services over it.

Once again government will have managed to create a significantly more competitive market than the private sector alone; which in reality, contrary to GOP rhetoric, for obvious reasons hates competition.

The fact is that the private sector does not have the stomach for long-term investments mandatory for projects like this.

This quarterly-driven outlook is also why the world has significantly overtaken us in infrastructure and large scale projects and quite frankly it's a weakness that countries like China are exploiting.

This private only policy post Reagan has failed America in every aspect.


Telco

join:2008-12-19

1 recommendation

reply to Smith6612

We have never tried anything like this on a national level, it;s all smoke and mirrors. The tools we have given the FCC for example are a joke and useless.

GOP voted against any broadband initiatives.


itguy05

join:2005-06-17
Carlisle, PA
reply to Telco

said by Telco:

We did it with the interstates, why not do the same with something as crucial as our data networks...

I noticed the Aussies are rolling out a national wholesale FTTH network. That way their government owns and control the underlying infrastructure, while much like a road, any number of businesses can utilize it and resell their services over it.

No thank you. I don't want to live in a country where the government can control Internet traffic. Look at Middle Eastern countries where the government can and does block or turn off Internet Access.

Heck, look at the SOPA/PIPA acts and tell me you want the US Government regulating things.

No F-ing way.


bbeesley
VIP
join:2003-08-07
Richardson, TX
kudos:5

said by itguy05:

I don't want to live in a country where the government can control Internet traffic.

While I would personally like to see some sort of effort to expand our broadband capabilities, I too have a strong distrust in having the government do it.

Our government has proven itself time and time again to be careless of our privacy and wasteful of our dollars

We need a solution but I just don't believe having the government implement and control it is an appropriate one.


S_engineer
Premium
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL

1 recommendation

reply to itguy05

Please...don't confuse our current gov't with effective gov't...if effective gov't had been in place SOPA/PIPA would have never reached the floor, and a law enforcement arm of the federal gov't (I.C.E) wouldn't be in servitude of the MPAA/RIAA.
And as far as controling Internet traffic, the gov't already monitors all traffic, outsources communication monitoring to ATT, Verizon, and others, and allows companies to datamine all of your personal information for the purpose of building aggregate personal profiles so you can be more efficiently advertised to. That's okay huh?
--
"Thanks for the dance... and cut yourself a slice'a throat! "
- Curly (HOI POLLOI, 1935)



alchav

join:2002-05-17
Saint George, UT
Reviews:
·ooma
reply to FloridaBoy

said by FloridaBoy:

said by S_engineer:

So anything that moves America forward, gets pushback from the new American aristocracy known as Wall Street. Chinese wages...here we come!

C'mon S, got to keep that stock price up!! Never mind a bigger payout later, we need cash now!!

Verizon took a big chance with FTTH, and they laid a lot of Fiber, but did you Guys buy it up? No, you want more competition and cheaper rates. Yes, Verizon is a Business and they need to make a profit to run this Business or they won't be around tomorrow. Verizon expansion may have stopped, but like any Business if you approach them with a sizable interest, I'm sure Verizon will listen.

FloridaBoy

join:2009-06-22
Bradenton, FL

Actually, I did buy it up. I have been a Fios customer since '07.

However, if you don't upgrade and maintain your plant, how are you going to make money in the future?

Fios accounted for 6 Billion in Revenue for the fourth quarter. It accounted for over 20 billion last year in revenue for them. How is that a fail?? Most businesses would kill for that kind of revenue.

The only reason the landline side is hurting is because they have two networks to the same place. That would suck to have to maintain that kind of scenario.


axus

join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC
Reviews:
·Comcast
reply to Telco

There was a lot of fiber investments after the dot-com boom. I read an article (linked from here?) about how much money was lost on unused fiber, and how some companies are in the business of finding all this lost or unused dark fiber. Then they put it to good use.


CXM_Splicer
Looking at the bigger picture
Premium
join:2011-08-11
NYC
kudos:2
reply to FloridaBoy

Many people bought it up. One only has to look at their yearly financial reports to see they are making a butt-load of money on FIOS. The reason they stopped the FIOS roll out is not because they weren't selling it... it was because they don't want to be a LEC anymore, they only want to be a (non-union) wireless company.



mikedz4

join:2003-04-14
Weirton, WV
reply to alchav

how can i buy fios when verizon denied it to us then sold us to frontier thus ending any thought of seeing fiber here.


25139889

join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH
reply to Telco

what tools where given to the FCC in terms of the Internet and broadband? their studies? that's all they will be is studies. and nothing more. just lame "rules" that will NEVER be enforced. And wasted money on them.

FiOS was dead when the customer subscriber count was WELL BELOW what they even said it would be. Why would you want to spend that money and not get the customers to change over? Customers do NOT like change; and it has been proven over and over again; customers with more than 3 choices can NOT make a decision what they want to start off with. And you want someone to deploy on a national level- then you need to go tell Dane Jasper that his company needs to take on some debt and start building out; because after all he's not for America.


25139889

join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH
reply to Telco

because the PUCs already are up the asses of ATT and Verizon. In Ohio they managed to get the PUC to strip away the Minm. Telephone Standards as long as a customer has "bundled services"- ie; long distance discounts, Internet, etc.

And when the Gov't starts managing the networks; we'll have our wonderful blogger and the rest of this following on here bitching about how the NSA is now able to obtain more and more data about you and it should be illegal. Well news flash- anything that goes over the Gov't networks; is the right of the Gov't to read, inspect and otherwise use. Gotta love the catch on that.

and the private sector does NOT want the network build any further is due to the former CEO promised up take would be higher than what it is. When actually everyone KNEW it would NOT be. Customers do NOT LIKE CHANGE. FiOS is not worth it for Internet with the higher speeds as other networks will NOT transfer you data that quick. So you pay for something you can NOT use. Pointless and waste of money.


25139889

join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH
reply to axus

It can be used only as half the last mile. And most don't even reach into the neighborhoods. So you still have to pay to expand that. And hope the fiber was never damaged. most of those companies have long gone out of business and the fiber sits there.


25139889

join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH
reply to axus

It can be used only as half the last mile. And most don't even reach into the neighborhoods. So you still have to pay to expand that. And hope the fiber was never damaged. most of those companies have long gone out of business and the fiber sits there.

This is one company that actually uses the fiber they purchased; »www.zayo.com/ was KMC Telecom and then Century and now its Zayo. But still does NOT cater to residential use and NOBODY will. Google will tell you how much it costs and problems they're having trying to do it on the cheap. They thought it was possible and its not. after KC they'll be done with their build. And in 2-3 years it will be closed.



Kommie
Premium
join:2003-05-13
united state
kudos:3
reply to Telco

But thats EVIL SOCIALISM!!


Telco

join:2008-12-19
Reviews:
·Callcentric

1 edit

1 recommendation

reply to itguy05

said by itguy05:

No thank you. I don't want to live in a country where the government can control Internet traffic. Look at Middle Eastern countries where the government can and does block or turn off Internet Access.

Heck, look at the SOPA/PIPA acts and tell me you want the US Government regulating things.

No F-ing way.

Tin-Foil alert. First off, it's a flawed rationale, as if "the government" really wanted to block everything, private or public, it could do it anyway. For example, a government can still block a private road. These are all baseless and paranoid delusions anyway, and using the middle-east to make any point is grasping for straws.

Now back to reality. Personally, I am more concerned that we are being bent over by private monopolistic corporations, who are now colluding to further increase their own profits at our expense.

Moreover, forcing us to put up with these sub-standard products, while giving crap to those "socialist" that are beating us.

Much like roads, I'd rather have the appropriate wholesale model in place, which as aforesaid, allows a multitude of service providers to compete and sell their services over.

The profit-driven private model always fails when it comes to crucial services.

Telco

join:2008-12-19
Reviews:
·Callcentric
reply to 25139889

said by 25139889:

Pointless and waste of money.

Maybe for someone out of Ohio but not for the rest of us - no offense. Then again, Ohio is the same state that doesn't want high speed public transportation either.


vernc

@verizon.net
reply to Telco

If those "socialists" are beating us it is mostly because they are in a growing economy as opposed to our stagnant one.

In any case, these broad anti-corporation sentiments are just as careless as the pro government as the solution sentiments. I’ve got some news for you --- its all people folks. Governments, corporations, they are all made up of many, many people. They are equally subject to the temptations of power and money (essentially the same thing).

I personally love my fios. It’s the best broadband and TV quality I’ve ever had. It’s a shame that Verizon has abandoned it. And if there is possibility they have colluded with the cable providers then the FCC should take a serious look. But make no mistake, if wall street wasn’t ready to support financing the billions it would take to continue the fios build out then that’s just the facts.



vernc

@verizon.net
reply to 25139889

FIOS is an outstanding service. Nearly everyone I know has transferred to it. The performance and quality are a huge improvement over Time Warner.



trish115

@verizon.net
reply to FloridaBoy

Florida Boy I guess you don't care about the workers that built FIOS that won't have jobs and have made Verizon and stockholders money. So what if they loose there jobs, right?