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Xstar_Lumini

join:2008-12-14
Canada
kudos:2
reply to TLS2000

Re: WARNING: WIND Mobile

said by TLS2000:

Wind has done an awesome job with the Samsung Galaxy S3 launch! At first they wouldn't let current customers buy it. Now they're allowing people who reserved one to buy it, but only on Wind Tab. That's right, they're FORCING a contract on anyone that wants an S3. Wind Tab is actually WORSE than Rogers 3 year contracts now since Rogers takes more off of the Flextab value each month.

What the hell are you talking about? I got a Galaxy Nexus for $149 with unlimited EVERYTHING for $40/month with NO contract. The only thing I have to do is pay off my smartphone in the event I want to ditch WIND but that's unlikely to happen, these guys are cheap and honest (my bill, with data included, never goes past $40/month), try that with Rogers which monthly bills were in the order of between $117 to $220 a month, and they didn't even give me text messages or unlimited local calling


yyzlhr

@rogers.com

TLS2000 is referring to the fact that on Rogers, your tab balance goes down much faster than Wind's tab system, thus it is cheaper to cancel mid contract with Rogers vs. Wind. However, both Wind and Rogers clear your tab balance after 3 years.

With Rogers their tab formula works out like this

Subsidy/Total months in agreement= Amount paid towards tab balance each month

On Rogers if you receive a 500 dollar subsidy for signing up on a 3 year term it would work out like this

$500/36months=$13.80

If a customer were to cancel after one year they would pay $331.20 plus a service deactivation fee of $12.50 with a total of $343.70

Wind applies 10% of your MSF towards your tab balance

So a Wind customer who received a subsidy of $500 and signs up for a plan with an MSF of $40 would only have $4 a month going towards the tab balance. If this wind customer wants to cancel after a year they would have to pay $452 to cancel.



yyzlhr

@rogers.com
reply to Xstar_Lumini

Also, we've all discussed extensively in this thread that your bill only fluctuates when you don't understand what you're paying for. People on Wind who don't pay attention to what they offer can have fluctuating bills as well. Step outside a wind zone and use your phone, you get dinged with PPU charges.



Xstar_Lumini

join:2008-12-14
Canada
kudos:2
reply to yyzlhr

said by yyzlhr :

Wind applies 10% of your MSF towards your tab balance

So a Wind customer who received a subsidy of $500 and signs up for a plan with an MSF of $40 would only have $4 a month going towards the tab balance. If this wind customer wants to cancel after a year they would have to pay $452 to cancel.

Again what the hell are you talking about? I will pay $0 if I ever cancel with WIND, there is NO contract, you got me? NO contract.


yyzlhr

@rogers.com

Ummm.. You acknowledged in a previous post you have to "pay off your smartphone" if you cancel. You really think the Galaxy Nexus retails for $149? If you cancel your Wind service before 3 years you have to pay back the remaining subsidy balance on your device which is NOT zero dollars. You may feel like you're not on a contract based on the way Wind markets their tab system, but it really isn't that much different from a 3 year Rogers contract.



BliZZardX
Premium
join:2002-08-18
Toronto, ON
Reviews:
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A 3 year Rogers contract before or after FlexTab was brought in (not that long ago)? If you have one of the older plans the $500 ECF or whatever crazy amount it was still applies. We have the new entrants to thank for the big 3 changing their character.
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mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5
reply to yyzlhr

said by yyzlhr :

Ummm.. You acknowledged in a previous post you have to "pay off your smartphone" if you cancel. You really think the Galaxy Nexus retails for $149? If you cancel your Wind service before 3 years you have to pay back the remaining subsidy balance on your device which is NOT zero dollars. You may feel like you're not on a contract based on the way Wind markets their tab system, but it really isn't that much different from a 3 year Rogers contract.

That is correct according to the WINDTab terms and conditions (page 2):

"You Leaving Us

As a WIND customer, you always have the right to terminate the provision of Services at any time and you can repay your WINDtab at any time. When we hear from you (or your new wireless service provider) that you want to leave us, you are obligated to pay us for the outstanding portion of your WINDtab. You can keep the phone or
data stick. If you want to terminate the provision of Services for some but not all lines on your account, you may do so, but will be required to repay the WINDtab for the terminated lines."

»www.windmobile.ca/WIND%20Docs/WI···53236520


Star

@cgocable.net
reply to Xstar_Lumini

I worked for Wind and never had that problem. There were other problems though haha.



Paolo
Mr. Wireless

join:2004-05-29
canada

it says u can pay the wind tab at any time, what do they mean by any time? right away? or do they expet the money right away or charge interest
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HeadSpinning
MNSi Internet

join:2005-05-29
Windsor, ON
kudos:5

Although it doesn't appear to specifically say, I would think that the remaining balance of your WINDtab would become due in full as soon as you cancel.
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mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5

said by HeadSpinning:

Although it doesn't appear to specifically say, I would think that the remaining balance of your WINDtab would become due in full as soon as you cancel.

The second sentence I quoted implies on cancellation that the balance is due.

I think the first part means that you can pay off the tab balance at any point from activation to cancellation, you don't have to do a cancellation to pay off the tab.


Paolo
Mr. Wireless

join:2004-05-29
canada

so its misleading, pay the tab off at any time to me means i can pay it one year after i cancel, thats not entirely true
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34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

said by Paolo:

so its misleading, pay the tab off at any time to me means i can pay it one year after i cancel, thats not entirely true

It's not misleading. You're just making a ridiculous interpretation of the terms.

balur

join:2010-04-28
kudos:1
reply to Paolo

I think it means "Pay off the tab at any time assuming you are still a customer"



Paolo
Mr. Wireless

join:2004-05-29
canada
reply to 34764170

said by 34764170:

said by Paolo:

so its misleading, pay the tab off at any time to me means i can pay it one year after i cancel, thats not entirely true

It's not misleading. You're just making a ridiculous interpretation of the terms.

ask anyone who is with wind, they ALL think that, your jumping to conclusions thinking i am an idiot, well guess what, im smarter than u think, just because u dont lik what the general public thinks about things is a big surprise to you well hello, the reality is most people when i interviewed them thought they can paytheir wind tab 1 year later. its not a surprise ask anyone and try not to insult people next time
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bt

join:2009-02-26
canada
kudos:1

said by Paolo:

said by 34764170:

said by Paolo:

so its misleading, pay the tab off at any time to me means i can pay it one year after i cancel, thats not entirely true

It's not misleading. You're just making a ridiculous interpretation of the terms.

ask anyone who is with wind, they ALL think that

HAHAHAHAHAHA

No, they don't.


TLS2000
Crazy Canuck
Premium
join:2004-02-24
Mississauga, ON
Reviews:
·TekSavvy Cable
·Rogers Hi-Speed
reply to Xstar_Lumini

said by Xstar_Lumini:

What the hell are you talking about? I got a Galaxy Nexus for $149 with unlimited EVERYTHING for $40/month with NO contract. The only thing I have to do is pay off my smartphone in the event I want to ditch WIND but that's unlikely to happen, these guys are cheap and honest (my bill, with data included, never goes past $40/month), try that with Rogers which monthly bills were in the order of between $117 to $220 a month, and they didn't even give me text messages or unlimited local calling

Once again, you either don't understand what you have, or you are lying. Please explain what Wind Tab is and then compare it to a current 3 year contract with Rogers or Telus.

If I want to cancel my Rogers account I have to pay back the subsidy. It's the EXACT SAME THING as WindTab, only Rogers quite correctly calls it a 3 year term. Wind has avoided calling Wind Tab a contract, but it's the exact same as a contract from Rogers and Telus now. If you have to pay them back, you're on a contract. Get that through your head, please!

With my S3 I can pay off the balance at any time (just like you with Wind Tab). I can cancel my account at any time (and pay the subsidy back, just like you with Wind Tab). What's more, Rogers deducts a MUCH HIGHER amount of money off of my tab ever month than Wind does for you. So guess what? In two years when I decide to switch phones I'm going to be paying Rogers a much smaller fee than you'll pay Wind if you do the same thing.

Also your BS about it costing $117 to $220/mo for Rogers is because you had no idea what you were signing up for. You're spreading misinformation because you didn't read the details of the contract that you signed. I'm paying less than $100/mo with Rogers and I have essentially unlimited use for what I use the phone for. Yes I've got 6GB of data, but I've never gone over it and I don't even monitor my data usage! I've got text messaging and I don't even have to pay extra for it!

Stop spreading misinformation and maybe people will start to take your posts seriously.
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TLS2000
Crazy Canuck
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join:2004-02-24
Mississauga, ON
Reviews:
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·Rogers Hi-Speed
reply to Xstar_Lumini

said by Xstar_Lumini:

Again what the hell are you talking about? I will pay $0 if I ever cancel with WIND, there is NO contract, you got me? NO contract.

Do you pay back the balance on your tab? Yes? Then you have a penalty for cancelling. It's the SAME as Rogers and Telus, only Rogers and Telus will shrink your tab faster than Wind, so cancelling in the middle of your contract will be cheaper with Rogers or Telus than Wind.

Again, WIND TAB IS A CONTRACT REGARDLESS OF HOW WIND'S MARKETING DEPARTMENT TRICKS YOU INTO BELIEVING OTHERWISE.
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TLS2000
Crazy Canuck
Premium
join:2004-02-24
Mississauga, ON
Reviews:
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·Rogers Hi-Speed
reply to BliZZardX

said by BliZZardX:

A 3 year Rogers contract before or after FlexTab was brought in (not that long ago)? If you have one of the older plans the $500 ECF or whatever crazy amount it was still applies. We have the new entrants to thank for the big 3 changing their character.

Actually we have consumer protection laws that are in place in Quebec, Manitoba and soon Ontario to thank for this.
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Tom

bt

join:2009-02-26
canada
kudos:1

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reply to TLS2000

said by TLS2000:

If I want to cancel my Rogers account I have to pay back the subsidy.

Plus $12.50 per line with Rogers outside of MB/QC. In MB/QC, it's the lesser of $50 or 10% of your monthly bill. Not a huge amount, but it's there.

Plus the subsidy on the data, if you got a plan with a data discount (but they're absurdly vague about that). It's vague enough that you could theoretically end up in the weeds with this one without expecting to.

Telus has a $50 account deactivation fee if you're under a term contract, in addition to the device subsidy.


BliZZardX
Premium
join:2002-08-18
Toronto, ON

Better than Bell. Bell still has a $600 ECF if you have a voice plan with data.



BliZZardX
Premium
join:2002-08-18
Toronto, ON
Reviews:
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reply to TLS2000

It was a response to competition. How else can you explain Bell still charging the old way? They don't feel threatened by new entrants as much as Rogers. Rogers has the most subscribers of the big 3 and the most customers to lose.
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34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
reply to Paolo

said by Paolo:

ask anyone who is with wind, they ALL think that, your jumping to conclusions thinking i am an idiot, well guess what, im smarter than u think, just because u dont lik what the general public thinks about things is a big surprise to you well hello, the reality is most people when i interviewed them thought they can paytheir wind tab 1 year later. its not a surprise ask anyone and try not to insult people next time

I am a WIND customer and I sure as hell don't come to such stupid conclusions. The general public are f#%^ing idiots. If you feel insulted by what I said it says a whole lot about you.


Paolo
Mr. Wireless

join:2004-05-29
canada

I agree the general public come to weird conclusions