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<title>Topic &#x27;Re: Mars Attacks !&#x27; in forum &#x27;Canadian Broadband&#x27; - dslreports.com</title>
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<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 02:17:46 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Re: There&#x27;s a NEW Kid in Town</title>
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<description><![CDATA[InvalidError posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1651402" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1651402');">Davesnothere</a>:</said><p>More players might mean more competition, and that cannot be a bad thing. </p></div>Too much can hurt just as bad as too little.<br><br>The market does not benefit from having 1000 micro-ISPs offering fundamentally the same thing at practically the same prices. Such a situation would reduce each ISP's market share and increase the proportion of cost overhead per gross dollar, leaving even less margin for differentiation.<br><br>If there was actual competition between incumbents including restructuration to streamline their own costs, I doubt TPIAs would survive for very long.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:22:15 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>There&#x27;s a NEW Kid in Town</title>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : &nbsp;<br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28144318-VMedia-Launches">VMedia Launches</A><br><br>More players might mean more competition, and that cannot be a bad thing.<br><br>In addition to TV, this company is also offering Internet service thru all of the Ontario & Quebec incumbents' networks.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2013 07:20:19 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>The New (2013) CBB Rates (ON &#x26; QC)</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/The-New-2013-CBB-Rates-ON-QC-28089293</link>
<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : &nbsp;<br><u>SUMMARY :</u><br><br><b>Monthly capacity rate per 100 Mbps :</b><br><br>Bell (ON & QC) $1,036.49 (down from $2,213 interim rate)<br>Rogers	 $1,400 (up from $1,251)<br>Cogeco	 $2,556 (down from $2,695)<br>Videotron	 $2,031 (up from $1,890)<br><br><b>CRTC CBB Decision Documents :</b><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2013/2013-73.htm" >www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2013/2013-73.htm</A><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2013/2013-72.htm" >www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2013/2013-72.htm</A><br><br><b>Sources (Page 19 of this thread) :</b><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28015434-Major-CRTC-decision-next-week.-CBB~start=360">Major CRTC decision next week. - CBB</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2013 22:51:49 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Re: TSI MARCH Packages Announced</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TSI-MARCH-Packages-Announced-28089204</link>
<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by so um :</said><p>So, um, Dave...<br><br>When are you making a spreadsheet and new topic to list all the prices from each reseller for each of the incumbents offerings? You know you waaannaaa....<br> </p></div>&nbsp;<br>It's a matter which is much on my mind. :) :) :)<br><br>When TSI brings their new packages out of Beta (all of them, not just those thru Cogeco), it will help, as they have the largest variety of packages now.<br><br>Also dunno which players from last Spring are still in the running, and what some of them have added, if anything.<br><br>AND, other than Cogeco, I have to review what the incumbents are now offering.<br><br>A big part of things THIS TIME will be who is offering A-TPIA sevice thru Cogeco & Rogers networks for Ontario.<br><br><small>--<br><br>We have only 2 things about which to worry :<br>(1) That things may never get back to normal<br>(2) That they already HAVE !<br></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2013 22:12:27 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Re: TSI MARCH Packages Announced</title>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : So, um, Dave...<br><br>When are you making a spreadsheet and new topic to list all the prices from each reseller for each of the incumbents offerings? You know you waaannaaa....]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2013 20:31:31 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Re: TSI MARCH Packages Announced</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TSI-MARCH-Packages-Announced-28088119</link>
<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : &nbsp;<br><b>Further reductions in proposed rates on some TSI plans were posted by Marc during this weekend.</b><br><br>Revised links for the Bell changes :<br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28087827-DSL-NEW-RATES-Bell-Ontario-Update">[DSL] NEW RATES - Bell Ontario - Update</A><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28087825-DSL-NEW-RATES-Bell-Quebec-Update">[DSL] NEW RATES - Bell Qu&eacute;bec - Update</A><br><br>Cogeco revisions are in same thread as before (Modified FIRST POST, discussion later in thread) :<br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28065903-Cable-NEW-RATES-Cogeco">[Cable] NEW RATES - Cogeco</A><br><br>Also now included is info and discussion regarding OVERAGES pricing (UBB).<br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28085369-Usage-overages">Usage - overages</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2013 14:23:51 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Cogeco Network ATPIA Comparisons for Ontario</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Cogeco-Network-ATPIA-Comparisons-for-Ontario-28084970</link>
<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : &nbsp;<br>This table was given birth in 2 other threads :<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28084956-New-ONTARIO-Plans-Cogeco-Network">New ONTARIO Plans - Cogeco Network</A><br><br>Thanks, ShetiPhian.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 09 Mar 2013 01:10:05 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Cogeco APRIL Changes</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Cogeco-APRIL-Changes-28083684</link>
<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : &nbsp;<br>Cogeco is sending out emails telling their retail customers of cap increases on each's respective plan, effective April 1st.<br><br>I cannot help but wonder what ELSE they may have quietly changed.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28083323-">Re: Updated package preview</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28082779-Ultimate-30-Cap-Increase-From-175-275gb-Month">Ultimate 30 Cap Increase From 175 > 275gb /Month</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 16:40:49 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>eBOX MARCH Packages</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/eBOX-MARCH-Packages-28076172</link>
<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : &nbsp;<br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28071324-Changes-in-packages">Changes in packages</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 18:18:06 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>START&#x27;s MARCH Packages</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/STARTs-MARCH-Packages-28076168</link>
<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : &nbsp;<br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28075590-Updated-package-preview">Updated package preview</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 18:16:16 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>TSI MARCH Packages Announced</title>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : &nbsp;<br><b><u><i>NOTE :</i></u> These are only PROPOSED prices (and conditions) and are subject to revision - in fact, some HAVE been tweaked - First Cogeco, and then Bell network plans, with NEW THREADS/LINKS opened for Bell.</b><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28071717-DSL-NEW-RATES-Bell-Ontario-Promo">[DSL] NEW RATES - Bell Ontario & Promo</A><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28087827-DSL-NEW-RATES-Bell-Ontario-Update">[DSL] NEW RATES - Bell Ontario - Update</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28071708-DSL-NEW-RATES-Bell-Quebec-Promo">[DSL] NEW RATES - Bell Qu&eacute;bec & Promo</A><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28087825-DSL-NEW-RATES-Bell-Quebec-Update">[DSL] NEW RATES - Bell Qu&eacute;bec - Update</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28071697-TekTalk-NEW-TekTalk-PROMO-Digital-Home-Phone">[TekTalk] NEW TekTalk PROMO - Digital Home Phone</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28069245-Cable-NEW-RATES-Rogers">[Cable] NEW RATES - Rogers</A><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28065903-Cable-NEW-RATES-Cogeco">[Cable] NEW RATES - Cogeco</A><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28069515-Cable-NEW-RATES-Videotron">[Cable] NEW RATES - Vid&eacute;otron</A><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28065884-DSL-NEW-RATES-Telus">[DSL] NEW RATES - Telus</A><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28067300-Cable-NEW-RATES-Shaw">[Cable] NEW RATES - Shaw</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28085561-DSL-NEW-RATES-Aliant">[DSL] NEW RATES - Aliant</A><br><br><b>Also now included is info and discussion regarding OVERAGES pricing (UBB).</b><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28085369-Usage-overages">Usage - overages</A><br><small>--<br><br>We have only 2 things about which to worry :<br>(1) That things may never get back to normal<br>(2) That they already HAVE !<br></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 09:59:49 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>START&#x27;s Analysis</title>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : &nbsp;<br>Peter Rocca :<br><br>On Usage Averaging and Unlimited Packages : &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28034612-">Re: What does the CBB ruling mean to you and me?</A><br><br>On Cogeco's CBB rates : &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28036734-">Re: What does the CBB ruling mean to you and me?</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 20:54:04 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>New Packages Announced</title>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : &nbsp;<br>AFAIK, these have been introduced AFTER the CBB decision.<br><br>Please post if you believe that any of them were already being offered BEFORE, and post to let me know of any new plans which YOU find before I do.<br><br>Velcom : &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28034867-">Re: Major CRTC decision next week. - CBB</A> - Page 36 - THE long thread - TSI forum<br><br>Acanac : &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28037564-">Re: What does the CBB ruling mean to you and me?</A> - Page 6 - Canadian BroadBand forum<br><br>Videotron's Business packages : &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28034391-">Re: What does the CBB ruling mean to you and me?</A> - Page 3 - Canadian BroadBand forum]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 18:24:16 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Selected Posts from TSI Marc</title>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : &nbsp;<br>Marc : &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28015434-Major-CRTC-decision-next-week.-CBB~start=640">Major CRTC decision next week. - CBB</A> - Page 33<br><br>Marc : &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28035141-">Re: Major CRTC decision next week. - CBB</A> - Page 37<br><br>Marc : &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28036280-">Re: Major CRTC decision next week. - CBB</A> - Page 39<br><br>Marc : &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28015434-Major-CRTC-decision-next-week.-CBB~start=780">Major CRTC decision next week. - CBB</A> - Page 40<br><br>Marc (on rates for Cogeco-Land) : &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28036482-">Re: Major CRTC decision next week. - CBB</A> - Page 40<br><br>Marc (on DSL in Bell Areas) : &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28036503-">Re: Major CRTC decision next week. - CBB</A> - Page 40]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 18:05:12 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Canadian News Media Articles</title>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : &nbsp;<br>CBC : &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2013/02/21/technology-crtc-wholesale-internet-pricing.html" >www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story&middot;&middot;&middot;ing.html</A><br><br>Marc's comments from the CBC article : &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28034237-">Re: What does the CBB ruling mean to you and me?</A><br><br>CNOC's reaction : &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28034434-">Re: What does the CBB ruling mean to you and me?</A><br><br>More Links Pending....<br><br>Please feel free to post of any coverage you have read....]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 10:12:03 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Karl&#x27;s Koverage</title>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : &nbsp;<br>&raquo;<A HREF="/shownews/Why-Are-Canadian-ISPs-Temporarily-Ditching-Caps-123229">Why Are Canadian ISPs Temporarily Ditching Caps?</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/shownews/Study-Caps-And-Overages-Are-About-Ripping-You-Off-123210">Study: Caps And Overages Are About Ripping You Off</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 10:10:43 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>More CBB Threads</title>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : &nbsp;<br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28032143-What-does-the-CBB-ruling-mean-to-you-and-me-">What does the CBB ruling mean to you and me?</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28014938-All-This-UBB-Usage-based-BS-was-such-a-waste">All This UBB , Usage based BS was such a waste</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28033269-CRTC-Decision">CRTC Decision</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28034816-Bury-the-Industry-Minister-in-complaints-">Bury the Industry Minister in complaints!</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28016304-Revision-des-tarifs-pour-les-independants">R&eacute;vision des tarifs pour les ind&eacute;pendants</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 09:56:25 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>SUMMARY of CBB Changes</title>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : &nbsp;<br>CRTC's CBB (grandchild of UBB) decisions of Feb 23, 2013<br><br>This is a nutshell of what happened :<br><br>Instead of reading to page 46+ of YAMT (Yet ANOTHER Monster Thread), just read THIS post (from Page 35) :<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28034653-">Re: Major CRTC decision next week. - CBB</A><br><br>Thanks, Resa ! :)<br><br>OTOH, if you DO want to read what everyone thinks the decision will be, and potential the consequences of that, you should grab a supersized beverage and snack, get the comfy chair, and immerse y'self in the full thread, found in the TSI forum or here &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r28015434-Major-CRTC-decision-next-week.-CBB">Major CRTC decision next week. - CBB</A> , and several others in the various DSLR forums.<br><br>Please watch the respective forums for informational posts from the various IISP execs, regarding revised service plans, after allowing them a few days to abuse some substances and crunch the numbers. ;)<br><br><small>--<br><br>We have only 2 things about which to worry :<br>(1) That things may never get back to normal<br>(2) That they already HAVE !<br></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 09:42:27 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Globe &#x26; Other 2011-44 (UBB) articles</title>
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<description><![CDATA[TSI Marc posted : Well, the reasons were stated at the time... But that didn't help anybody... Nobody wanted to hear that. And plus, we were busy dealing with everything else. The costs are and were always the primary reason... If those made sense, like you say, why not open up the entire footprint and help take the pressure off DSL... The reason is because it would have added more pressure since ATPIA with Cogeco was worse that DSL still... And frankly, had others not come along, you guys might have kept up the pressure and we might have gone ahead sooner.. Who knows. <br><br>There's no way something like that gets done without my say so... When you point to the company, you're pointing at me. It was me who made those decisions. So naturally, I will backup why I did what I did...<br><br>I think we're talking about it now because we're in the middle of converting now... Until now there was always something else going on and no matter what was said.. We still weren't converting in your eyes.. So, it was falling on deaf ears. We were all invested in what's transpired over the last few years...<br><small>--<br>Marc - CEO/TekSavvy</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2013 23:32:26 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1368600" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1368600');">TSI Marc</a>:</said><p>....I don't think this was ever discussed straight on like this either.... </p></div>&nbsp;<br>So possibly this conversation of ours has done (or will do) some good, as all I think I had ever noticed in the past (in TSI forum here) were some rather vague hints about the reasons.<br><br>Yes, some of us felt/feel neglected on some things, and that is not really 'breaking news', hearing it from me.<br><br>No, I did not mean to imply that you do not care, and I think that I only had mentioned the company rather than yourself in my tougher sounding early comments last night.<br><br>I realize that other folks' input at work contributes to your business decisions, though given that you maintain an active prescence here sometimes serves to blur that distinction.<br><br>Don't stop posting. :)<br><br><small>--<br><br>DavesNotHere - Resident $#!t-disturber<br><br>We have only 2 things about which to worry :<br>(1) That things may never get back to normal<br>(2) That they already HAVE !<br></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2013 14:44:41 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[TSI Marc posted : Thanks for the thoughtful reply Dave. To me the thing that I felt was important to set straight was the notion that I knew you guys felt neglected and that I deliberately ignored that. That I didn't care. That's really the part that for me I have a problem with... It's the idea of taking something that is serious and that affects many people and to trivialize it and then to hold me accountable for it. When it wasn't at all the case that I didn't care or that I didn't take it seriously.<br><br>Anyway, it's all good. These are the consequences when they bugger up these decisions.. We all get tugged in one way or another. I think it's more a matter of clearing the air.. Reconcile what's happened and move on. I don't think this was ever discussed straight on like this either. And of course the same factors affected everyone in various ways... I'm sure for example, many we're trying to get in on legacy TPIA but couldn't as well...<br><small>--<br>Marc - CEO/TekSavvy</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2013 14:05:56 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1368600" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1368600');">TSI Marc</a>:</said><p>....We setup with Cogeco something like three years ago. Had the CRTC proceedings not have taken place we would have launched in more areas by now. We were asking for more areas and we were literally denied due to the ongoing proceedings.<br><br>I think what you are actually saying is that we 'could' have migrated to aggregated a year ago and offered to their entire footprint and given those people more options....<br><br>....To have launched into the rest of the Cogeco territory at that point.... ....would have been absolutely reckless.<br><br>The part that hits the nerve for me is that it was a major pill to swallow to not deploy....<br><br>....But frankly, just like Pete didn't know it was going to take this long to get a decision from the CRTC, we too didn't know that and so we figured we'd wait a few months. We [both TSI and Start] didn't know it was going to take this long.<br><br>So my point to you is that it wasn't because I didn't want to. It was because I really couldn't, not with everything else going on. For that, I feel like I let you down and I'm sorry for that. I really do wish it was us who could have offered it to you first. After all, you too had been waiting patiently for those proceeding to finish so you could have options.<br> </p></div>&nbsp;<br>Marc, I did not mean to trivialize all the good that you and TSI have done/catalyzed over the years (and the other things which were/are weighing on you and the company) by my dwelling on that one issue, but I guess I did just THAT, and given also that Start has already offered me what I needed, perhaps there was little reason for me to say as much about it.<br><br>I didn't use all that many words to express myself ( THAT time  ;) ), but it seems that the ones which I chose were excessively hurtful, and for that I apologize.<br><br>However, what I was expressing in the post in question (and which you fully quoted) was the all-too-common feeling of being neglected which is felt by SOOOOOO many of us in smaller communities about one or another good or service - and BTW I did include 3 big smilies after the Tim-Bits remark, the way that JF would when he was poking fun here.<br><br>Really, it was intended as some light-hearted ribbing, and I'm sorry if it went too far.<br><br>Yes, we were/are ALL waiting, toutes ensemble, for widespread cable A-TPIA (and some other things) to happen - yourself, Pete, myself, and other subscribers, some of whom have not said much lately, and others who have.<br><br>I sincerely hope - for EVERYBODY's sake - that the CRTC comes back soon with a sensible approach to CBB rates - OR, even tosses CBB out and sets some sensible bulk wholesale UBB rates for all of the incumbents to follow - I still maintain that using UBB is the easier math, provided that the greed does not kick in.<br><br>OK, I'll now go and make a coffee, and then read your PM.<br><br>Cheers !<br><br><small>--<br><br>We have only 2 things about which to worry :<br>(1) That things may never get back to normal<br>(2) That they already HAVE !<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[TSI Marc posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1651402" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1651402');">Davesnothere</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1368600" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1368600');">TSI Marc</a>:</said><p>....you're ignoring the biggest hit on the chin that we did take in the last year.. DSL.<br><br>Shit, the last CRTC decision was basically designed to target us almost exclusively.<br><br>They wanted us to pay crazy rates and all because we offered a great Internet connection with great usage options....  </p></div>&nbsp;<br>In theory, and sure I'm prob'ly oversimplifying, that would seem to be all the more reason to diversify ASAP into Cable in as many areas as possible, to take some of the sting out of what happened to the DSL costs, and give yourselves more ways to skin the cat, no ?<br> </p></div>Nah, Cogeco is the most expensive. Anybody who is selling Cogeco ATPIA is literally hurting their company.<br><br>We figured that just to break even on our existing subs, we would have had to raise rates by about $10/mth. How would you feel about raising rates like that on your neighbours when you just laid off 50 people? That's still true today, but now we feel like the CRTC decision, has got to be imminent, so we're going ahead with the migration this week coming up. And plus most of the others issues we had at the time last year are now under control largely.<br><small>--<br>Marc - CEO/TekSavvy</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[TSI Marc posted : Hey Dave,<br><br>I wasn't able to get back to the board to reply sooner.<br><br>I read your original post and it wasn't positive at all. And I responded as such. Why shoot down the good things we did to justify the good things others did? To you, it's all good. It's a false premise and that's what I'm pointing out.<br><br>The notion that ATPIA and TPIA are different in any way except network configuration is just false... We setup with Cogeco something like three years ago. Had the CRTC proceedings not have taken place we would have launched in more areas by now. We were asking for more areas and we were literally denied due to the ongoing proceedings.<br><br>I think what you are actually saying is that we 'could' have migrated to aggregated a year ago and offered to their entire footprint and given those people more options. Just as, others could also, and they did. So I say to you, kudos for others who did, at their own risk, but we were already saddled with a massive amount of risk in a number of different ways. A year ago, we were in the process of moving due to a complete lack of space. It was truly a massive problem for us. We were in the middle of a massive stop sell. We were in the middle of having to raise rates on all our users. We had awful wait times. We had massive DHCP issues. It was a massive cluster fuck. (Pardon my French).<br><br>To have launched into the rest of the Cogeco territory at that point, with the incumbent that is literally the most difficult to deal with. The most expensive CBB wise as well. At a time where our cost completely went through the roof on the DSL side. Would have been absolutely reckless.<br><br>The part that hits the nerve for me is that it was a major pill to swallow to not deploy. And to have you stick it in my face like that, when all I was trying to do all along was to give people more options because I know how awful incumbents have been..  That what hits the nerve. I'm glad for you guys that it made sense for others to have launched it. But frankly, just like Pete didn't know it was going to take this long to get a decision from the CRTC, we too didn't know that and so we figured we'd wait a few months. We didn't know it was going to take this long.<br><br>So my point to you is that it wasn't because I didn't want to. It was because I really couldn't, not with everything else going on. For that, I feel like I let you down and I'm sorry for that. I really do wish it was us who could have offered it to you first. After all, you too had been waiting patiently for those proceeding to finish so you could have options.<br><small>--<br>Marc - CEO/TekSavvy</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1368600" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1368600');">TSI Marc</a>:</said><p>....you're ignoring the biggest hit on the chin that we did take in the last year.. DSL.<br><br>Shit, the last CRTC decision was basically designed to target us almost exclusively.<br><br>They wanted us to pay crazy rates and all because we offered a great Internet connection with great usage options....  </p></div>&nbsp;<br>In theory, and sure I'm prob'ly oversimplifying, that would seem to be all the more reason to diversify ASAP into Cable in as many areas as possible, to take some of the sting out of what happened to the DSL costs, and give yourselves more ways to skin the cat, no ?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : &nbsp;<br><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1368600" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1368600');">TSI Marc</a>:</said><p>WOW. This is such a load of bull. Pretty sure its the other way around if anything, chum. We spent a massive amount of money, time, resources on the very decisions that eventually led to ATPIA existing at all. So much so that we took our eye off the ball and it took a few years to get back on track and we lost a soldier along the way to boot. We played a major role in CNOC getting created to continue to push and many have helped since. I don't want to diminish anybody who did help, including Pete, but there's no way I'm going to sit here and be lectured on what we should and shouldn't have done. The fact is that we did act. We acted big time. That has had consequences. A year ago I was on here getting blasted right left and center. The notion of expanding further into Cogeco territory and at the same time have to raise rates or swallow tens of thousands a month given that we had existing users in our own backyard. No thanks. I know what would have happened. It would have been an even bigger mess. It was a deliberate decision. That others have stepped up is a positive outcome of all the efforts over the past 5 years. It doesn't help anything to say such things, it wasn't possible for us to win every single fight alone. Others needed to help, its why we were so committed to setting up CNOC. For me personally, these comments are insult to injury. And frankly, you're ignoring the biggest hit on the chin that we did take in the last year.. DSL. Shit the last CRTC decision was basically designed to target us almost exclusively. They wanted us to pay crazy rates and all because we offered a great Internet connection with great usage options. The ultimate penalty for ten years of serving up exactly what you guys wanted.<br><br>Now that they have us basically assuming the position and can see that maybe they went too far, seems they may have realized that the problem was never us to begin with... We'll have to see what CBB rates look like but if nothing changes my friends. DSL is basically dead for anything useful. If they would apply the same CBB rates to all other incumbents. ATPIA would also be dead, like it is now with Cogeco I.e. no more competition for independent ISPs. So you'll forgive my reluctance to migrate anything to ATPIA when it's basically one throat to choke. One more bad decision and we're all screwed.<br> </p></div>&nbsp;<br>[ Dave thinks he may have hit a nerve. :o ]<br><br>Marc, I have given TSI credit where it is due, time and time again (check my post history), and I still do (check my post history), but I sincerely feel that this time, and on this issue, it is not due.<br><br>I have been around here long enough to know how hard that you guys have worked for us, and you still do, and am aware of most of the ways, so when a couple of sentences from me get a wall of negativity posted in response, yeah, I guess I hit a nerve.<br><br>Yes, TSI has done all of the good deeds which you said, and continues to fight the good fight, but really, does that mean that I have to be judged wrong to say what I said above ?<br><br>Cannot we both be right at the same time ? (though about different things)<br><br>Which part of what I said is the 'main bull' for you, anyway ?<br><br>You COULD during the past number of months also have done what I said in my last 2 earlier posted paragraphs regarding Cogeco-Land, and if costed out carefully, you would not have risked/lost anything which START hasn't.<br><br>Admittedly, I am unaware of the dynamics, demographics, and costing of what you already had in place for your Chatham Cogeco-fed folks. - Are you saying that if you went ATPIA with Cogeco, that moving THEIR accounts to it at current costing would take youse to the cleaners ? - If yes to that, then I must agree/suggest that you have been too generous for too long to too many heavy users over the years, and as much as it may go against what you believe (and as I have on many other occasions preached on this next point over the past 2+ years - Longer than the age of THIS thread !), perhaps a little <i>properly structured old-fashioned UBB</i>, at ALL levels of the food chain, might well be the right thing for everybody.<br><br><small>--<br><br>We have only 2 things about which to worry :<br>(1) That things may never get back to normal<br>(2) That they already HAVE !<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[TSI Marc posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1651402" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1651402');">Davesnothere</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1775781" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1775781');">tristen1230</a>:</said><p>Teksavvy Cable is coming very soon. I am a beta tester. They have even stated it is ready to be done. They are just waiting for something so there will be no surprises in the future. (Not good surprises)<br> </p></div>&nbsp;<br>Yes, I've been following the related threads, and while it's good to hear/read, it's also about damned time !<br><br>START proved that the AGG POI system works reliably, way back in last APRIL, not only for Cogeco's hookup but also for Rogers'.<br><br>I'd say that Marc owes Mister Rocca some huge box of Tim-Bits for sticking his head into those fires first. :) :) :)<br><br>TSI could have offered packages similar to START's quite a while ago already, and chose not to.<br><br>Sure, the monthly usage caps would not be as high as those which TSI is accustomed to offering, but would still be a lot better than forcing us to consider Cogeco retail (which I briefly used before moving to START), and still a bit lower in price to the consumer than Cogeco, with lower priced UBB than Cogeco's.<br> </p></div>WOW. This is such a load of bull. Pretty sure its the other way around if anything chum. We spent a massive amount of money, time, resources on the very decisions that eventually led to ATPIA existing at all. So much so that we took our eye off the ball and it took a few years to get back on track and we lost a soldier along the way to boot. We played a major role in CNOC getting created to continue to push and many have helped since. I don't want to diminish anybody who did help, including Pete, but there's no way I'm going to sit here and be lectured on what we should and shouldn't have done. The fact is that we did act. We acted big time. That has had consequences. A year ago I was on here getting blasted right left and center. The notion of expanding further into Cogeco territory and at the same time have to raise rates or swallow tens of thousands a month given that we had existing users in our own backyard. No thanks. I know what would have happened. It would have been an even bigger mess. It was a deliberate decision. That others have stepped up is a positive outcome of all the efforts over the past 5 years. It doesn't help anything to say such things, it wasn't possible for us to win every single fight alone. Others needed to help, its why we were so committed to setting up CNOC. For me personally, these comments are insult to injury. And frankly, you're ignoring the biggest hit on the chin that we did take in the last year.. DSL. Shit the last CRTC decision was basically designed to target us almost exclusively. They wanted us to pay crazy rates and all because we offered a great Internet connection with great usage options. The ultimate penalty for ten years of serving up exactly what you guys wanted.<br><br>Now that they have us basically assuming the position and can see that maybe they went too far, seems they may have realized that the problem was never us to begin with... We'll have to see what CBB rates look like but if nothing changes my friends. DSL is basically dead for anything useful. If they would apply the same CBB rates to all other incumbents. ATPIA would also be dead, like it is now with Cogeco I.e. no more competition for independent ISPs. So you'll forgive my reluctance to migrate anything to ATPIA when it's basically one throat to choke. One more bad decision and we're all screwed.<br><small>--<br>Marc - CEO/TekSavvy</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1775781" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1775781');">tristen1230</a>:</said><p>Teksavvy Cable is coming very soon. I am a beta tester. They have even stated it is ready to be done. They are just waiting for something so there will be no surprises in the future. (Not good surprises)<br> </p></div>&nbsp;<br>Yes, I've been following the related threads, and while it's good to hear/read, it's also about damned time !<br><br>START proved that the AGG POI system works reliably, way back in last APRIL, not only for Cogeco's hookup but also for Rogers'.<br><br>I'd say that Marc owes Mister Rocca some huge box of Tim-Bits for sticking his head into those fires first. :) :) :)<br><br>TSI could have offered packages similar to START's quite a while ago already, and chose not to.<br><br>Sure, the monthly usage caps would not be as high as those which TSI is accustomed to offering, but would still be a lot better than forcing us to consider Cogeco retail (which I briefly used before moving to START), and still a bit lower in price to the consumer than Cogeco, with lower priced UBB than Cogeco's.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[resa1983 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1651402" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1651402');">Davesnothere</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1536091" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1536091');">resa1983</a>:</said><p>TSI in Cogeco-land is already in beta testing.<br> </p></div>&nbsp;<br>They've been beta testing it in their own back yard for years.<br><br>Made no diff to us peasants of Eastern Ontario.<br> </p></div>They've been running in Chatham.  They've just opened up Cogeco agg.<br><small>--<br>Battle.net Tech Support MVP</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1536091" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1536091');">resa1983</a>:</said><p>TSI in Cogeco-land is already in beta testing.<br> </p></div>&nbsp;<br>They've been beta testing it in their own back yard for years.<br><br>Made no diff to us peasants of Eastern Ontario.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[resa1983 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1651402" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1651402');">Davesnothere</a>:</said><p>&nbsp;<br>From what I have read here, the CRTC's Speed Matching decision for CNOC's R&V did not go exactly the way that some of us would have liked.<br><br>Their CBB (the new alias for UBB aka AVP) decision for wholesale circuit capacity prices to Indie ISPs is next.<br><br>If the CRTC makes the rates fall significantly for THAT, we will expect some better packages with more GB per month included, maybe even some unlimited on higher speeds, especially on cable.<br><br>And TSI may even muster up the courage to turn on Cable service in Cogeco-Land. ;)<br><br>Marc commented on the Speed Matching announcement here &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r27947996-CNOC-speed-matching-decision-due-next-week~start=119">CNOC speed matching decision due next week</A> , part way thru that thread.<br><br> </p></div>TSI in Cogeco-land is already in beta testing.<br><small>--<br>Battle.net Tech Support MVP</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : &nbsp;<br>From what I have read here, the CRTC's Speed Matching decision for CNOC's R&V did not go exactly the way that some of us would have liked.<br><br>The CBB (the new alias for UBB aka AVP) decision for wholesale circuit capacity prices to Indie ISPs is next.<br><br>If the CRTC makes the rates fall significantly for THAT, we will expect some better packages with more GB per month included, maybe even some unlimited on higher speeds, especially on cable.<br><br>And TSI may even muster up the courage to turn on Cable service in Cogeco-Land. ;)<br><br>Marc commented on the Speed Matching announcement here &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r27947996-CNOC-speed-matching-decision-due-next-week~start=119">CNOC speed matching decision due next week</A> , part way thru that thread, and discussion continued for the next several pages.<br><br><small>--<br><br>We have only 2 things about which to worry :<br>(1) That things may never get back to normal<br>(2) That they already HAVE !<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/510249" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=510249');">Guspaz</a>:</said><p>....they call it "CBB" instead, but <b>gussy it up however you want, it's ultimately the same thing</b>.<br><br>And the costs [to the users] are ridiculously high, like, 10x higher than they should be.<br> </p></div>&nbsp;<br>Like Lipstick on a Pig, yeah.<br><br>And I'm not against capitalism either, but if the wholesale UBB/CBB cost  was 1/10 of what it is now, it would be tolerable for most of us, as well as for the Indie ISPs, I reckon.<br><br>And the incumbent providers would STILL be making decent money, albeit moreso from the greater volume of GB of traffic per month which the average (or the Angelo, for that matter) type of consumer would be willing to generate on said providers' networks.<br><br><small>--<br><br>We have only 2 things about which to worry :<br>(1) That things may never get back to normal<br>(2) That they already HAVE !<br>-<br><b>START Forum &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/cover,2941">Start Communications</A></b><br>Or you can still use Canadian Broadband.<br><br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Guspaz posted : Considering the limitations of how much bandwidth you can fit into the spectrum, I think UBB is a reasonable thing to have for mobile internet. The costs are still far too high at $10/GB (which seems typical), but unlimited mobile internet (over the cell network) doesn't really make sense considering how it's a shared medium.<br><br>Right now the concern is the current UBB charges on wholesale broadband being too high. Oh, they call it "CBB" instead, but gussy it up however you want, it's ultimately the same thing. And the costs are ridiculously high, like, 10x higher than they should be.<br><small>--<br>Developer: Tomato/MLPPP, Linux/MLPPP, etc &raquo;<A HREF="http://fixppp.org" >fixppp.org</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : &nbsp;<br>Something about  UBB, you say ?<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r27917843-UBB-Overages-and-malicious-users">UBB, Overages, and malicious users</A><br><br>Yes folks, UBB is still here - lurking - waiting to rape the wallets of unsuspecting Internet users - and now, especially those of <b>MOBILE Internet</b> users - you know, the smart peeps who have been buying up the new generations of 'SMARTphones' so voraciously during the past couple of years - [BTW Happy 2nd birthday soon to THIS thread] - so fast that a new expression based on a variation of an old one had to be created - <i>"They were selling like <strike>HotCakes</strike> <b>SmartPhones</b> !"</i><br><br>Anyway, THAT group of sheeple are the latest to be bitten by the <i><b>U</b>nfair <b>B</b>illing <b>B</b>ite</b> of the incumbent service providers.<br><br>Not only a contract lock-in for us to be able to get the overpriced phones for closer to reasonable cost, but also the insane usage charges for data - and even worse if roaming !]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 10:20:24 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : &nbsp;<br>Happy 2013 !]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 18:26:43 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : &nbsp;<br>Getting warmer.... :)<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r27720548-CNOC-Files-w-CRTC-Against-Rogers">CNOC Files w/ CRTC Against Rogers</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 23:55:08 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : &nbsp;<br>Uh-Oh !<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r27662517-The-end-of-#27663235">The end of ####? - or CRTC orders telecom companies to open</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r27662494-CRTC-More-transparent-Great-step-in-the-right-direction-">CRTC Transparency: Great step in the right direction for UBB</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/com100/2012/r121026.htm" >www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/com100/2012/r121026.htm</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2012 14:35:25 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : &nbsp;<br>THIS looks like news :<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r27572739-Harper-Government-declares-Internet-a-Necessity">Harper Government declares Internet a Necessity</A><br><br>Unfartunately, apparently the CRTC does not yet see it that way.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 13:03:16 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Vomio posted : Needed something good to drag this back up.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://gigaom.com/video/netflix-canada-caps-human-rights-violation/" >gigaom.com/video/netflix-canada-&middot;&middot;&middot;olation/</A><br><br>Got that right.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2012 00:49:09 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : &nbsp;<br>Happy September, everyone !<br><br>Items of possible interest :<br><br>&#9835; &#9836; "It's the most, wonderful time, of the year !" &#9835; &#9836;  (Kids return to school.)<br><br>Bell continues to cause grief for individual Indie ISP customers.<br><br>Indie ISPs continue to diversify their upstream providers to include more and more Cablecos in Bell territory, and so will gradually depend less upon Bell for ANYTHING. - The public now has more choice, sometimes even without changing providers.<br><br>QC has a PQ gov't now, but a minority, with a woman in charge of QC for the 1st time.<br><br>ON still has a minority, since Dalton did not win both by-elections.<br><br>McDonalds opens 2 all veggie branches in India. - I'm curious what is served by our major fast food restaurants in other parts of the world than North America, and what it trastes like, but not enough so to travel there just to find out.<br><br>The 'IGNORE This Thread' thread in CanChat now has 110 pages. - You can ignore that if you wish.<br><br>JF is still MIA, though his tweeting skills have become advanced.<br><br>Windoze 8 may be just the thing needed for Linux to be taken seriously and to heart by the general public.<br><br>The 18+ month US presidential election process will be over soon - well, in 2 more months....<br><br>UBB still lurks at incumbent ISPs, but rates are somewhat lower than 2 years ago.<br><br>Many Indie ISPs charge UBB, but at even lower rates, after higher monthly usage caps.<br><br><small>--<br><br>We have only 2 things about which to worry :<br>(1) That things may never get back to normal<br>(2) That they already HAVE !<br>-<br><b>START Forum &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/cover,2941">Start Communications</A></b><br>Or you can still use Canadian Broadband.<br><br></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 22:22:18 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1547832" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1547832');">El Quintron</a>:</said><p>....LOL I just saw your subject line in my post history....<br></p></div>&nbsp;<br>I fixed my post anyway - after re-proofing it later, I figured that it needed a little something else. :p<br><br>But the part which is most interesting to ME (see above-posted linked thread/article) is that B$ELL has ALSO spoken up, saying that THEY want this hearing to be behind #####s.<br><br>Hmmmm.... My Spidey senses are tingling.<br><br>Mayhaps B$ELL cannot COPE with what may be revealed in next week's episode !<br><br><small>--<br><br>We have only 2 things about which to worry :<br>(1) That things may never get back to normal<br>(2) That they already HAVE !<br>-<br><b>START Forum &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/cover,2941">Start Communications</A></b><br>Or you can still use Canadian Broadband.<br><br></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 18:09:58 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[El Quintron posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1651402" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1651402');">Davesnothere</a>:</said><p>&nbsp;<br>Wind says OK.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r27389255-Wind-Mobile-wants-CRTC-hearing-over-Telus-ownership">Wind Mobile wants CRTC hearing over Telus ownership</A><br> </p></div><strike>OK?</strike>  <br><br>LOL I just saw your subject line in my post history... <br><br>now I get it... <br><br>(Monday morning brain gulag seems a little worse on pseudo-Mondays... evidently shown by my bad tag-fu as well) <br><br>I think it's more like: "Now that we're here to stay, we're gonna make you pay for trying to keep us out" -- and good hunting to them, I say.<br><small>--<br>Support Bacteria -- It's the Only Culture Some People Have</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 13:36:18 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : &nbsp;<br>Telus says <i>"BITE ME !"</i><br><br>Wind says <i>"OK, but be warned - Our regulatory and legal department has very sharp teeth !"</i> :) :) :)<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r27389255-Wind-Mobile-wants-CRTC-hearing-over-Telus-ownership">Wind Mobile wants CRTC hearing over Telus ownership</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 12:54:04 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : &nbsp;<br>Canada is now 145 years old ! :)<br><br>Many BBQ's are a-cookin', and our Ontario heatwave has beaten back most of the mosquitoes.<br><br>JF is tweeting up a storm, but is still MIA from here.<br><br>RIM is considering changing its name to GRIM, to match its outlook.<br><br>GOUGEco just raised some of their rates this month, good capitalists that they still are.<br><br>'The Stones' turned 50 this week.<br><br>Today's high in Ottawa has been projected last night by CBC to be <b>35c</b>.<br><br>It must be Miller Time.<br><br>Cheers, everyone !<br><br><small>--<br><br>We have only 2 things about which to worry :<br>(1) That things may never get back to normal<br>(2) That they already HAVE !<br>-<br><b>START Forum &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/cover,2941">Start Communications</A></b><br>Or you can still use Canadian Broadband.<br><br></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 14:19:31 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : &nbsp;<br>Not much to report right now.<br><br>It's almost summertime.<br><br>UBB is still alive and well in most Canadian incumbent ISPs' retail packages.<br><br>New Indie ISP service offerings thru more of the CABLE providers such as Cogeco, by companies such as START Communcations, have widened the choices for Ontario consumers, in regard to avoiding unfair rates of UBB and tiny monthly usage caps, as well as letting more of us escape the clutches of some of the other ridiculous policies and fees which Bell is still allowed to shove down our throats using the DSL Indie ISPs' arms.<br><br>DSLR has recovered from their data centre failure and has implemented a new foolproof backup regimen.<br><br>JF is still taking his long bike ride in the snow, regarding posting here....<br><br>Another Jean has become the new CRTC chairperson.<br><br>FaceBORK's IPO has fizzled, but they are still able to afford StarBucks - the COMPANY - not just the coffee.<br><br>Bell is considering buying RIM. - And why not ? - they own someone in almost every other rung of the ladder.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 15:41:34 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : &nbsp;<br>Yeah, I just heard about that on CBC TV news, streamed for free across my Internet feed.<br><br>But I cannot change the name of the thread, and the thread still serves a useful purpose, so let's let it be.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2012 15:18:44 EDT</pubDate>
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