 gar187erI do this for a living
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Dover, DE
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Re: [Connectivity] Help: We accidentally cut our comcast HCI lin drop cables fail.....they arent bulletproof.....burying 8-12" wont fix everything.....would it have stopped the OP from hitting his drop? yea...but so would have 811.
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kudos:1 | said by gar187er:yea...but so would have 811.
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4" is acceptable and responsible. You are wrong thinking every cable should be buried 8-12" deep.
Lets see, homeowner cuts said cable, homeowner can't watch tv for 24 hours, oh no!!! Let's bury every cable in the world at least 12" deep because 1% of homeowners cut them every year.
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Mr Matt
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Call Comcast, normally service providers do not charge to repair a cut drop. The purpose of calling the cable locator service is to prevent cutting the hard line COAX, Telephone Distribution Cable or Electric Service Primary or Secondary Cable. Don't waste your time trying to repair the drop yourself. |
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bpratt
join:2006-10-24
Redwood City, CA | reply to Jabbu
4" may be ok for a short, simple line drop (although it would make me nervous), but when I just put in my own 500' conduit for a line extension Comcast told me to use 2 inch Schedule 40 PVC pipe and at least 2 feet of depth. Due to the terrain, tree roots, etc I went closer to 4-5 feet on average, but I also had it done trenchless with directional drilling, so depth was less of an issue than length.
On the other hand, the 1/2 - 3/4 inch coax used is impressive, and having my own dedicated tap 3 feet from my house and 25 feet from where the cable modem will live is nice. Now if I can just get my account marked as active so they can activate my service life will be good. |
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I'm not wrong. I've been in this business long enough to know what does, and what does not, work. I'd be willing to bet that I've personally buried several thousand more drops than the average Joe.
Cables rarely just "go bad" by themselves. They normally get "helped". The service provider has an obligation to their customer and the public to bury the lines at an acceptable depth. Especially now that they want to be telephone providers as well.
If they want to continue down the path of kicking a little dirt over the top and "callin' er dun", then they should have absolutely zero problem coming out and repairing / replacing the drop for free when it gets cut by someone doing routine yard work.
I decided to do a little "Googling" of the specifications Comcast has for their "drop bury" contractors. Most said they drops are supposed to be machine buried to a dept of 12". I did find one listing that said 8-12". That's Comcast's own self-imposed requirements. These ARE NOT hardline specs, they are for 6/11 premise drop coax.
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gar187erI do this for a living
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Dover, DE
kudos:4 | reply to bpratt
plant is a completely ball game....and since your is in conduit, its even better, cause if my locator told me its 4'+ in the ground, i would not be digging it up...
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gar187erI do this for a living
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kudos:4 | reply to nunya
there is no comcast specs for drop depth regardless of what the google tells you.....
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rody_44Premium
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2 edits | Thats in your area Gar. Comcast has specs around here. fiber 24 inches, hard line 12 inches, drops 8 inches. the whole state of new jersey is 18 inches across the board. In pa the depths are depending on the system. The specs i provided was for bucks county. of course its dirt so it is what it is. At 4 inches you get a automatic pass from being charged. At that depth its easy to cut the drop with just a shovel. hell at 4 inches a lawn aeriater is taking that drop out. |
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join:2003-02-06
Onion, NJ
kudos:1 | reply to Mr Matt
said by Mr Matt:Call Comcast, normally service providers do not charge to repair a cut drop. The purpose of calling the cable locator service is to prevent cutting the hard line COAX, Telephone Distribution Cable or Electric Service Primary or Secondary Cable. Don't waste your time trying to repair the drop yourself.
+e depends on the jurisdiction.
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 CableToolPoorly Representing MYSELF.Premium
join:2004-11-12 | reply to Wayne99021
said by Wayne99021:I got some in line connectors from a Dish guy and redid the connection. I didn't have any compression connectors or the tool so just used the crimp on type connectors. Used some heat shrink and a couple underground splice kits I had left over from my Bell Telephone days. Put it in the ground and covered it up.
I figured if it started having trouble I would call whoever the ISP was.
That was over 10 years ago and have not had any problems with that connection at all. My signal levels are excellent.
So because a person doesn't have Comcast fix the cut doesn't mean it's not going to work for many years.
Yes. And Im sure this is a typical fix as well. Im sure techs do not go into homes every day and "undo" someones DIY connections made up of Telco parts and smashed together connectors....
Great recommendation!
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gar187erI do this for a living
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Dover, DE
kudos:4 | reply to rody_44
comcast means the company......youre saying parts of NJ have those regulations...
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join:2006-04-14
Gautier, MS | reply to xspork
My friend had this problem once, except it was broken in two places.
I don't know what he told them, but he apparently wasn't charged for the repair. No new cables were buried. They were out there the same day.
On that note, I will agree that 4 inches is a tad bit shallow, but there's no real mandate for how deep the cable has to be buried either.
Some years ago, one of my neighbors had cut through my telco line. I thought it was AT&T mucking about again then I saw my neighbor tilling his yard.
Long story short, I waited over a week for AT&T to get out here to fix it. It was free, but a week is ridiculous for such a repair. I had it 'temporarily' repaired until they finally showed up.
My neighbor has actually done this twice to me. He didn't know how to call 611 apparently...
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This wasn't meant to be a recommendation, only what I did.
Whoever the ISP was at that time would take a week to come fix anything and I wasn't going to wait that long.
If I started having problems with the connection I was going to call Comcast or whoever the ISP was and have it done right to their specs.
After 10 years, no problem so I see no need to have it looked at until there is a problem. |
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HA!!!! like comcast actually comes out to mark their buried loops. it's cheaper for them to hope you don't hit it and to send a tech out in the off chance you do than to hire a third party locator to come out and mark their cable. |
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NO NO NO! 4" is NOT OK. Cable should be buried at least 18-24" below, in a trench with crushed stone and PVC conduit, and any appropriate barriers/drainage material put in. Direct burial is just doing a crappy job. Ours are probably 24-36" down in ~2" PVC conduit that is laid in crushed stone. It runs along with telco and power lines, each in separate conduits. Even our pool wiring is probably 18" underground, in trenched-in conduit. |
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kudos:1 | said by BiggA:NO NO NO! 4" is NOT OK. Cable should be buried at least 18-24" below, in a trench with crushed stone and PVC conduit, and any appropriate barriers/drainage material put in. Direct burial is just doing a crappy job. Ours are probably 24-36" down in ~2" PVC conduit that is laid in crushed stone. It runs along with telco and power lines, each in separate conduits. Even our pool wiring is probably 18" underground, in trenched-in conduit.
Is this for a house connection?
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gar187erI do this for a living
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Dover, DE
kudos:4 | reply to Jonasjlp
said by Jonasjlp:HA!!!! like comcast actually comes out to mark their buried loops. it's cheaper for them to hope you don't hit it and to send a tech out in the off chance you do than to hire a third party locator to come out and mark their cable.
811 sends the ticket out to whomever does the locates in the area...most systems use a third party like utiliquest....sometimes they handle a couple utilities so they would mark out cable/phone, or power/water, etc....
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gar187erI do this for a living
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Dover, DE
kudos:4 | reply to BiggA
said by BiggA:NO NO NO! 4" is NOT OK. Cable should be buried at least 18-24" below, in a trench with crushed stone and PVC conduit, and any appropriate barriers/drainage material put in. Direct burial is just doing a crappy job. Ours are probably 24-36" down in ~2" PVC conduit that is laid in crushed stone. It runs along with telco and power lines, each in separate conduits. Even our pool wiring is probably 18" underground, in trenched-in conduit.
buried underneath the power right? with warning tape too i assume? and signs posted in the front yard?
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I have read the many comments on the depth the drop should be buried. I spoke to a foreman with Adelphia several years ago when we were having a problem with homeowners cutting drops in our subdivision (In South Florida). I was cable coordinator for our homeowners association which had bulk billing. I was advised by the foreman that Adelphia could not bury the cable more than a few inches because all homes in the subdivision had irrigation systems and Adelphia did not want to cut the irrigation lines. On the other hand the distribution cables for all services were buried according to the national electrical code, before and homes were constructed, so there was no problem with cutting the irrigation lines when they were installed. Adelphia never charged to repair a drop cut by a homeowner or homeowners lawn service. |
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