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Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:32:28 EDT

anon posted : We do the same thing between dual 35/35 connections using Ecessa Powerlink boxes.

Our VPN throuput is around 60meg, consistently.

Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Sat, 07 Apr 2012 01:26:08 EDT

linicx posted : I live in rural America where 10 down is unattainable. I would crawl thru glass to see your rig working one time.
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Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Fri, 06 Apr 2012 06:10:54 EDT

xocsucram posted : if every online gamer had just about 10% of your upload speed, lag would be a thing of the past

unfortunately i cant control their choice of bargin basement ISP contracts =(

Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Tue, 03 Apr 2012 10:27:48 EDT

houkouonchi posted :

said by the niTz:

yea i understand (and am envious of your speed)

Oh I missed who you were quoting. Whups! Yeah I agree that the behavior would be like what you said with pfsense.
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Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Tue, 03 Apr 2012 10:11:37 EDT

the niTz posted :

said by houkouonchi:

If you look at my thread I had wget tests (single threaded) going @ over 35 megabytes/sec.

You are correct that with *connection* based balancing (not bonding) this is true (and I do this as well). The round robin (rr-balance) I am using is not connection based its packet based. This is mode 0 if the linux 'bonding' driver. It can only be done at the physical layer link (layer 2) before TCP/IP is involved.

I am doing this via VPN wich encaspulates layer 2 over layer3 (in this case UDP). The downside of this setup is it does require sending the traffic over a remote server on a faster connection than your combined total (in my case a server in a DC @ 1000/1000mbit) so it uses the bandwidth over both ends. This is because the remote servers you are downloading off of need a single IP address it can send the full connection to.

You technically only get that fat pipe between you and that single remote server (cause you need bonding setup on both ends). But once you have the fat bonded pipe you can then route through it like any other VPN/router. Technically I could even bridge the interface with a real ethernet device and not do NAT and stuff like I am currently doing.

yea i understand (and am envious of your speed)
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Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Tue, 03 Apr 2012 09:46:39 EDT

houkouonchi posted :

said by the niTz:

said by houkouonchi:

said by NiteSn0w:

Shouldn't you be able to use PfSense and achieve the same results (or better) without using a vpn to bond the two connections? I used to do this with Cable and it worked great I could download at ~60Mbit/s even over http.

I don't see how you can acheive this without help from the ISP or some sort of VPN. A remote server is not going to be ok with sending data for a single file to two different IP addresses.

it would be a round robin setup which would require multiple connections, theoretically when using threaded downloaders like idm each connection should connect through each pipe enabling the bonded effect (of course there's always a chance you'll go through the same pipe which is way you would choose a higher number of connections). i have done it and it works but a single connection will not benefit in this config.

Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Tue, 03 Apr 2012 05:32:44 EDT

mystica posted : I got a new catchphrase for you:

Houkouonchi. Pushing the limits of USA internet closer and closer to Japan, one FIOS connection at a time.

BTW thanks for all the anime ;)
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Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Tue, 03 Apr 2012 02:38:11 EDT

the niTz posted :

said by houkouonchi:

said by NiteSn0w:

I don't see how you can acheive this without help from the ISP or some sort of VPN. A remote server is not going to be ok with sending data for a single file to two different IP addresses.

Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Tue, 03 Apr 2012 02:33:49 EDT

MxxCon posted : you drank so much verizon koolaid it's dripping out of your ears.
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Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Tue, 03 Apr 2012 00:14:44 EDT

clarknova156 posted : And your missing the point. Its an entirely 100 percent fiber network with the near endless ability to expand for more bandwidth. His activity or bonding two dedicated lines has ZERO effect on his neighborhood as he can download at full speed 24/7/365 and it simply won't effect anyone , show me one cable network that isn't overloaded and poorly managed and I'll be willing to hear more. This isn't some DOCSIS 3.0 limited overburdened cable network or some highly crowded DSL copper line. This network was built to easily supply such demand and its the model network around the country. Unless you happen to have community laid and paid for fiber , FiOS is simply the best you can get (until Google starts offering 1Gbps)

Next time try a little harder in your poorly stated opinion.

Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Mon, 02 Apr 2012 23:17:13 EDT

houkouonchi posted :

said by NiteSn0w:

I don't see how you can acheive this without help from the ISP or some sort of VPN. A remote server is not going to be ok with sending data for a single file to two different IP addresses.
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Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Mon, 02 Apr 2012 23:15:54 EDT

houkouonchi posted :

said by erikthebean:

Dude A+ for ingenuity, now for the question. What linux flav are you using for this, and are you VPNing into another place to achieve the bonding, or are you just connecting the 2 Fios connections, and they are just round robin(ing). I have tried round robin in the past, but it always acts funny..maybe it because of my cisco who knows.

Its round-robin but packet based round robin. Actually I am technically doing both. I do balancing and bonding. Because bonding uses bandwidth on the other end I have rules setup in the netbalancer so not *everything* goes through the bonded interface.

On the home side I am using zeroshell mainly because it has quite a nice interface for doing the bonding and has built-in support for it. The server-side is just running a flavor of gentoo.
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Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Mon, 02 Apr 2012 23:14:24 EDT

houkouonchi posted :

said by mdpeterman:

What VPN service are you using to bond your connection? I'd like to bond connections here, since I can only get 10mbps dsl but would like to bond multiple lines.

I am running my own VPN servers off my own colo'd machine. Anyone with a dedicated/colo server on a fat pipe can do this if you know how to.
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Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Mon, 02 Apr 2012 23:13:34 EDT

houkouonchi posted :

said by MxxCon:

said by nickphx:

Not when you bond multiple VPN connections into one virtual interface. The way it works is his 'router' establishes one vpn connection over each fios connection to a server in a data center. Then you bond the two vpn connections into one virtual interface.
Then the round robin bonding driver evenly distributes the packets over the two interfaces.

But this is not what he has. His speedtest shows his ISP is verizon. if it was through this supposedly bonded vpn connection, his exit ip would be of that vpn service/server.

Actually it is what I do and you are right. This is why I have a route entry that actually routes to speedtest.net over my FIOS connection (no bonding) for the main-page so it lists the correct ISP. If I didn't do this then you are correct. Its because speedtest.net itself figures out your ISP but you can be a completely different IP when connecting to the individual speedtest.net servers.
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Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Mon, 02 Apr 2012 21:01:54 EDT

MxxCon posted :

said by nickphx:

But this is not what he has. His speedtest shows his ISP is verizon. if it was through this supposedly bonded vpn connection, his exit ip would be of that vpn service/server.
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Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Mon, 02 Apr 2012 18:56:06 EDT

nickphx posted : Not when you bond multiple VPN connections into one virtual interface. The way it works is his 'router' establishes one vpn connection over each fios connection to a server in a data center. Then you bond the two vpn connections into one virtual interface.
Then the round robin bonding driver evenly distributes the packets over the two interfaces.

You're thinking of non-bonded round-robin load balancing that most 'multi-wan' prosumer 'routers' do..

Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Mon, 02 Apr 2012 18:08:15 EDT

ScottNJ posted :

said by Kamus:

"you downloading 20 TB a month is why companies have caps. it's called REASONABLE useage."

And yet he CAN use it and no, the sky isn't falling.

People that think that using a connection that is already there more than other people are somehow causing problems don't know the first thing about networking.

It seems like many people are falling for the propaganda the ISP's are pushing. They were already on the record complaining that Google and other content providers were making a profit off of them. If they had their way they would block or severely throttle Netflix and iTunes. Bandwidth usage is cover for their real gripe.

They are desperate to find ways to make more money off of providing a connection to the Internet.

Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Mon, 02 Apr 2012 16:26:57 EDT

Kamus posted : "you downloading 20 TB a month is why companies have caps. it's called REASONABLE useage."

And yet he CAN use it and no, the sky isn't falling.

People that think that using a connection that is already there more than other people are somehow causing problems don't know the first thing about networking.

Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Mon, 02 Apr 2012 15:33:35 EDT

MxxCon posted :

said by houkouonchi:

I will take my FIOS thank you very much...

While you bonded 2 150mbit connections, it seems like most people are misreading this graph.
Speedtest.net tests speed using multi-threaded downloads. It downloads at least 4 files at once. However when you are watching streaming TV, there's only 1 thread/connection. So you won't go faster than 150mbit...Plus no TV stream offer such speeds, not even bluray.
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Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Mon, 02 Apr 2012 15:17:36 EDT

NiteSn0w posted : I'm an idiot and didn't realize there where two pages and I thought my other post didn't post.

Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Mon, 02 Apr 2012 15:15:33 EDT

NiteSn0w posted : Shouldn't you be able to use PfSense and achieve the same results (or better) without using a vpn to bond the two connections? I used to do this with Cable and it worked great I could download at ~60Mbit/s even over http.

Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Mon, 02 Apr 2012 13:16:31 EDT

SniperCS posted : Sounds like BF69 is salty lol... Guess he can't just say that's awesome and wish you good luck. I wish I had the disposable income to do such a thing but alas I do not currently. I would download all the things.

Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Mon, 02 Apr 2012 12:12:52 EDT

erikthebean posted : Dude A+ for ingenuity, now for the question. What linux flav are you using for this, and are you VPNing into another place to achieve the bonding, or are you just connecting the 2 Fios connections, and they are just round robin(ing). I have tried round robin in the past, but it always acts funny..maybe it because of my cisco who knows.

Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Mon, 02 Apr 2012 10:07:46 EDT

mdpeterman posted : What VPN service are you using to bond your connection? I'd like to bond connections here, since I can only get 10mbps dsl but would like to bond multiple lines.

Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Mon, 02 Apr 2012 09:53:48 EDT

viperpa33s posted :

said by BF69:

you downloading 20 TB a month is why companies have caps. it's called REASONABLE useage.

Please define what is reasonable? Most people have there own definition of what they consider reasonable. The others just go with the flow.

Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Mon, 02 Apr 2012 09:35:40 EDT

Packeteers posted : "faster than 99% of us" enjoy it houkouonchi ;)

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Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Mon, 02 Apr 2012 09:16:56 EDT

JohnILM posted : And for every one person that has 20TB of usage, I'm sure there's a hundred+ that barely hit 100MB. Use it up! There's plenty to go around.

Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Mon, 02 Apr 2012 09:14:50 EDT

baineschile posted : Awesome speeds. Just out of curiosity, what did you need 300mb for, that the 15o couldnt handle?

Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:58:35 EDT

houkouonchi posted :

said by davidhoffman:

Do you ever see consistent bonding on the upload side that gets you closer to the theoretical 150Mbps upload capability?

It is 150 up. The problem is that speedtest.net does not measure upload as accurate. Using the web100 ndt test takes a little bit of time to ramp up and gives me results around 280/130. Speedtest.net is accurate on the downstream side of things.
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Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Thu, 22 Mar 2012 22:59:57 EDT

dvd536 posted :

said by BF69:

you downloading 20 TB a month is why companies have caps. it's called REASONABLE useage.

No its not. caps are all about preserving LUCRATIVE VIDEO revenues

Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Thu, 22 Mar 2012 21:50:34 EDT

45612019 posted : As much as I'd like all Apple products to be illegal, downloading 1080p TV shows from iTunes is far from being an illegal activity.

Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Thu, 22 Mar 2012 17:20:16 EDT

davidhoffman posted : Do you ever see consistent bonding on the upload side that gets you closer to the theoretical 150Mbps upload capability?

Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:53:31 EDT

KnightAR posted : If I was able to get Verizon where I live, I would jump ship the day I found out FIOS was available in my area =/

Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:28:53 EDT

Fast Turtle posted : If I downloaded all the TV I watch, it would be Zero used of a 1MB cap. The reason is pretty simple. I no longer watch TV or any sort of Paid Programming so your argument is a non-issue for me. Heck I've even stopped using BT for the same reason I quit watching TV and going to the Movies. Nothing good available.

What I do miss is my local bookstore as I prefer reading over any of the passive experiences of simply watching.

Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:54:02 EDT

Wilsdom posted : 20TB is completely reasonable. That's only 15% utilization of his $400/month connection. Maybe after 100TB you could say he was downloading a lot, but even then the ISP has no right to complain since they chose to offer such a fat pipe

Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:46:16 EDT

me1212 posted : Hes paying over $400 a month for a 450 mb connection. For that kind of money and that kind of bandwidth 20TB, he *can* do a total of 130TB a month so hes using less than 1/6th of what he can use. Only using 1/6th of what you pay for hardly seems unreasonable to me.

Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:45:52 EDT

Uncomm0n posted : I got news for ya buddy. When a connection is labeled "UNLIMITED" especially FiOS, ANY amount of usage is reasonable. The only way it would be unreasonable is if its not labeled "UNLIMITED"

Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:16:10 EDT

houkouonchi posted :

said by Simba7:

Nice.. What are you running? FreeBSD or Linux?

Linux since that is what I am intimately familiar with and not even sure if there is a packet based round robin bonding driver for bsd so not even sure if I could do what I am doing on bsd.
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Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:14:08 EDT

BF69 posted : you downloading 20 TB a month is why companies have caps. it's called REASONABLE useage.

Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:13:10 EDT

BF69 posted : download all the TV you watch? sound like illegal activity to me.

Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:05:46 EDT

openbox9 posted :

said by houkouonchi:

If you download all the TV you watch your easily looking at 500-750 GB usage with 1-1.5GB files for 720p series. Much more if 1080p.

Wow, that's a lot of TV each month. That's almost 12 hours a day.

Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Thu, 22 Mar 2012 11:57:57 EDT

Simba7 posted : Nice.. What are you running? FreeBSD or Linux?

Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Thu, 22 Mar 2012 11:36:45 EDT

anon posted : Totally agree with you and so jealous of your insane connection. You rock Drool.

Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Thu, 22 Mar 2012 11:35:11 EDT

houkouonchi posted :

said by Simba7:

I'd love to have that type of link.

What's the router handling all this traffic?

A 1u box with an intel core i3-2120t (35w TDP) machine. The atom 1.6 Ghz box I had before wasnt quite fast enough to handle VPN at the speeds I needed which I use for the bonding.
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Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Thu, 22 Mar 2012 11:22:39 EDT

Simba7 posted : I'd love to have that type of link.

What's the router handling all this traffic?

Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Thu, 22 Mar 2012 11:04:59 EDT

houkouonchi posted :

said by talz13:

How much is that insane connection? I remember the discussion about you replacing the two FIOS with this super FIOS since you run servers and hosting, but how much does that thing run you per month?

It is a bit over $400/month; however, for 450 megabits of combined (up/down bandwidth it comes out to less than $1 per megabit of up/down speed. Much better pricing than most others.

Also no cap so if I maxed the up and down I could potentially use 130TB/month up and down.

Also many people have TV/phone/internet 35/35 which can do 10TB/month (20TB in/out) and again no caps.
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Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Thu, 22 Mar 2012 11:03:52 EDT

45612019 posted :

said by talz13:

How much is that insane connection? I remember the discussion about you replacing the two FIOS with this super FIOS since you run servers and hosting, but how much does that thing run you per month?

You can bundle a 150/70 Mbps FiOS connection + TV bundle with every channel Verizon carries including premiums + Phone for $150-200/mo in NY/NJ.

If he's bonding two of those he might be looking at $400 a month.

Re: Screw your caps Cox.

Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:52:29 EDT

talz13 posted : How much is that insane connection? I remember the discussion about you replacing the two FIOS with this super FIOS since you run servers and hosting, but how much does that thing run you per month?

Screw your caps Cox.

Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:47:00 EDT

houkouonchi posted : I will take my FIOS thank you very much...

And NO caps not even soft. I can use it 24/7 if I want. I already push 20TB/month and its NO problem. Screw u cox. For most of these companies caps are total BS just to get people to use their TV service. If you download all the TV you watch your easily looking at 500-750 GB usage with 1-1.5GB files for 720p series. Much more if 1080p.
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