 JuggernautIrreverent or irrelevant?Premium
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Kelowna, BC
kudos:2 | reply to CanadianRip
Re: [Rant] Gas prices jumping big time tonight Look at their traveling distances, though. There are many local shops for everything.
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 Wolfie00My dog is an elitistPremium
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kudos:5 | reply to peterboro
Which is why high gas prices are not entirely a bad thing. It's just that they're high for the wrong reasons and the money going to the wrong places.
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JuggernautIrreverent or irrelevant?Premium
join:2006-09-05
Kelowna, BC
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said by peterboro:I got back from Daytona a couple weeks ago where the roads were filled with SUVs and all manner of gas guzzlers.
Forget prying guns from their cold dead hands it will be the keys to their behemoth vehicles. I know, it's hilarious. Gotta have that big V8, even if you never use it. For anything. 
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Manotick, ON | reply to elwoodblues
I always chuckle when people go line up to buy gas because the price is going to jump a few cents the next day. You're only postponing the inevitable by a few days to a week maybe. It's not like mortgage rates are going up, or something that could mean $K of savings over the years.
I'm amazed at the line-ups at Costco when there's nobody at the pumps at the station down the road with 1 cent more expensive gas. Even if I put 50L in the car, is it worth a half buck to wait in line? |
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 digitalfuturSees More Than ShownPremium
join:2000-07-15
BurlingtonON
kudos:2 | reply to Wolfie00
Please. That's like saying you don't eat grocery flyers. Surely you can distinguish between the product sold and the manner of its sale.
Prices went up last May to this level, there was a big hooha, and then they fell again, just like they will this time. There are some short term gasoline supply problems right now that will correct themselves in the next month or so.
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JuggernautIrreverent or irrelevant?Premium
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kudos:2 | Short term supply problems? I don't think so. |
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said by AR:Gas is under $4/gal in US Heh, just just barely, if you consider $3.999 'below' $4  |
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GonePremium
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said by CanadianRip:Spend time in Europe. If gas was anywhere near $ 1.50 a litre - they'd line up for days. Yes, and they also have extensive mass transit and railway networks that are a viable alternative to driving that does not exist in North America. Their gas may be expensive, but you aren't dependant on it like you are here. |
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Wolfie00My dog is an elitistPremium
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kudos:5 | said by Gone:Yes, and they also have extensive mass transit and railway networks that are a viable alternative to driving that does not exist in North America. Their gas may be expensive, but you aren't dependant on it like you are here.
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
And if anyone wants to argue that Europe can afford to do mass transit because of higher population densities, I invite them to spend part of any afternoon on the 401 over the top of Toronto or on the DVP. Canada, for all its open spaces, is a highly urbanized population and the vast majority of our gasoline demand and pollution comes from population-dense urban areas where public transit is not only a very practical alternative, but in many cases is already well developed. |
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Windsor, ON
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| said by Wolfie00:Canada, for all its open spaces, is a highly urbanized population and the vast majority of our gasoline demand and pollution comes from population-dense urban areas where public transit is not only a very practical alternative, but in many cases is already well developed.
In big cities like Toronto, sure. In smaller communities good luck labeling public transit as a practical alternative. |
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GonePremium
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As much as I would like to digress that Toronto is not the centre of the universe, I'll just say this - even "rural" areas in Europe are not rural in comparison to North America when it comes to transit connections with larger centres. There is plenty of high speed rail between major cities with lower-speed rail connecting those high-speed hub points to the small and medium sized towns. The smallest of towns have some form of local transit, and a cities the size of Peterborough and Kingston have at the very least tram networks, if not outright subway systems. The transit systems the large European cities have makes the TTC look like something a toddler constructed with lego. It is completely different. Consider this - Someone in Guelph - we're talking a city of 120,000 people here, not some small rural town - could not survive without relying on an automobile at some point or another, whereas someone in a European city of similar size could. It is a completely different mentality over there when it comes to transportation. As much as we might like to talk about Toronto being dense, there is a lot more to this country and this continent beyond just Toronto and the other major centres. Until mass transit exists at a fundamental level everywhere, we are going to be reliant on cars on one level or another.
Of course, getting those extensive transit networks would require the massive gas taxes they pay in Europe to fund them, which we wouldn't want to pay because we rely on our cars to get anywhere, and so the Catch 22 goes. |
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said by alamarco:said by Wolfie00:Canada, for all its open spaces, is a highly urbanized population and the vast majority of our gasoline demand and pollution comes from population-dense urban areas where public transit is not only a very practical alternative, but in many cases is already well developed.
In big cities like Toronto, sure. In smaller communities good luck labeling public transit as a practical alternative. Place like Mississauga, Vaughn, and Markham have useless public transit because they don't have the population density to support it properly, courtesy of urban sprawl. |
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 ARPremium,ExMod 2001-04
join:2000-09-21
Toronto, ON | reply to Gone
You're right....it's gone up:
»www.californiagasprices.com/Fair···dex.aspx
Close to where I used to live.
At C$1.4/L, it becomes US$5.30/gal.
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Toronto, ON | reply to I_H8_Spam
said by I_H8_Spam:said by Juggernaut:So, it leaves me to wonder why the Gov hasn't addressed this yet.
Special interest lobbying. And higher tax revenues. |
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peterboroAvatars are for posersPremium
join:2006-11-03
Peterborough, ON | reply to Wolfie00
said by Wolfie00: And if anyone wants to argue that Europe can afford to do mass transit because of higher population densities, I invite them to spend part of any afternoon on the 401 over the top of Toronto or on the DVP. And I would like to invite you to Peterborough where unless you live and work downtown getting to work, school or everyday activities is an onerous task without a car. |
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 elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium
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| said by peterboro:said by Wolfie00: And if anyone wants to argue that Europe can afford to do mass transit because of higher population densities, I invite them to spend part of any afternoon on the 401 over the top of Toronto or on the DVP. And I would like to invite you to Peterborough where unless you live and work downtown getting to work, school or everyday activities is an onerous task without a car. I thought if I blinked I would miss driving through Peterborough 
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No, I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake....... |
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peterboroAvatars are for posersPremium
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Peterborough, ON | 
Oh look elwood caught at a red light camera in Peterborough. |
Considering your vehicle is probably filled with smoke you would probably miss it anyhow. |
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Sudbury, ON
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Old news AR. Very old news. Cost to refine fuel in Canada is actually cheaper than in the US, but because A) we use metric system and b) tax ontop of tax, we end up paying more than the US...
I'm sure if our taxes were on a gallon of gas and not a litre of gas, we wouldn't have this problem...because its what, in Ontario, 14.7c/L provincial excise tax, 10c/L federally, I can't remember off the top of my head, and then plunk 13% HST ontop of that....so, for a "gallon" of gas, you're looking at 93.3c/gallon just in taxes, not including the HST because I just can't figure out the math this early in the morning...
You take 75% off that as the US taxes their fuel on a per gallon rate I believe at about the same 14 cents or so a gallon, and that's what you get...roughly about the same...
So yes, it is insane, but whats the option? I can't run out and get a new fancy hybrid car, so I'm stuck....(not that I'd buy new), so I just clunk along and drive less....which is ok. |
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elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium
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It's not the densities, but how does one get from Etobicoke to say Ajax vice versa? There is no practical transit solution for that. Unless I want to drive to the GO station, take GO to Union, 2 subways and a bus (and about 6hrs of my life), or I drive across the 401.
Transit systems have been planned (in Toronto) to take people from one part of the city to downtown, if you are fortunate enough to live/work on the subway line, crosstown employment isn't bad either.
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