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frankiej

@cableone.net

[Equipment] setup a small wisp

okay so im trying to setup a small wisp for a trailer park the wifi will be free for now but will charge later right now i have a cisco srp541w as the router and a engenius eoa3630 as AP on a 54 mbps connection the max users will be around 50-75 and usually less than that my question is there a hardware wisp controller that can limit broadband to each user because right now we having people playing xbox wacthing netflix etc and make it sop others cant get on at all any suggestions on how to set this up

wirelessdog

join:2008-07-15
Queen Anne, MD
kudos:1

Taken from cableone.net AUP:

resell the Service or otherwise make available to anyone outside the Premises the ability to use the Service (for example, though Wi-Fi or other methods of networking), in whole or in part, directly or indirectly. The Service is for personal and non-commercial residential use only and you agree not to use the Service for operation as an Internet service provider or for any business enterprise or purpose (whether or not for profit);
connect the Cable One Equipment to any computer outside of your Premises;



frankie j

@cableone.net

okay so i have a question how did you know i have cableone first of all second of all what your quating is for residential not business we have cableone enterprise internet that we pay 200 dollars a month for so what your quoting is irreverent oh and cable one already was informed of what were doing and that dont care thank you for nothing


thewisperer
Premium
join:2008-01-16

reply to frankiej
if you look at your login on the forum, you see your provider.

I agree he jumped the gun because you never specified that you would be using cableone. (maybe he is a mad dog today...)

But your question is a complicated one that can be handled many ways.

Mikrotik with scripts can do this or limit speed for all users but if you are not familiar with it someone will have to set it up.

A 450G could probably handle it.



Inssomniak
The Glitch
Premium
join:2005-04-06
Cayuga, ON
kudos:1

reply to frankiej
50-75 on one 54 meg AP with roaming laptops and phones is gonna be bad. Do they use outdoor CPEs? or just that? Laptops and stuff?
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»www.optionsdsl.ca


LLigetfa

join:2006-05-15
Fort Frances, ON
kudos:1

reply to frankie j

said by frankie j :

...thank you for nothing

Why not join the forum. Members get a much warmer welcome than annoymous posters.
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Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and formal education positively fortifies it. -- Stephen Vizinczey


frankie j

@cableone.net

reply to Inssomniak
i dont know what you mean by outdoor cpes and no roaming its not employees its residents and yes i know that will be bad thus my question i need a controller to limit each user bandwidth to 1.5 mbps indefinitely and the wifi is free so im not paying for a t1, the business enterprise connection we have already is 200 for 54 down 4 up unlimited data a month and for free wifi to residents that is enough to spend there is 36 spaces total so 50 to 75 is being at the very extreme, there will probably never be that many devices on line at the same time and that is my problem/question is i need to limit each devices bandwidth consumption to like 1.5 or 2 mbps and qos dont get it


frankie j

join:2012-04-06

okay i joined


prairiesky

join:2008-12-08
canada
kudos:2

reply to frankiej
make a pfsense box and use the limiter to limit each IP to 1.5 meg down / 256 up.

that's the easiest way. Also, you'll probably need a bunch of AP's.

If you go with something like the outdoor Unifi system, it will have the ability to do paid for connections.


frankie j

join:2012-04-06

the ap im using is covering the grounds just fine why would i need a bunch


LLigetfa

join:2006-05-15
Fort Frances, ON
kudos:1

reply to frankie j
Welcome to the forum. You could setup bandwidth limits and a captive portal using m0n0wall. That's what I use for my hotspot.

There are many discussion on this forum about how to set it up.
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Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and formal education positively fortifies it. -- Stephen Vizinczey



Inssomniak
The Glitch
Premium
join:2005-04-06
Cayuga, ON
kudos:1

reply to frankie j

said by frankie j:

the ap im using is covering the grounds just fine why would i need a bunch

You need a bunch, because if you are really piling even 75 users on one, then part of your problem lies there.
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»www.optionsdsl.ca

frankie j

join:2012-04-06

reply to LLigetfa
the issue i have with pfsense monowall etc is that the park owner my grandfather isnt tech literate and im not always around so if it gos out and im not here that would be a huge problem looking more for a deciacted peice of hardware with an gui that is a little easy to reset and get back online is there a deciated box that can do this for me i found one but it was for us and you cant buy it here and im trying to avoid the server route btw and money isnt an issue as long as its a 1000 or less thats fine


frankie j

join:2012-04-06

reply to Inssomniak
well as i said before that is a super max theres 36 spaces in the park and not all of them are home at the same time and the ap doesnt route just wireless ap which says it can hold 500 users and seeing that i have a 500 dollar cisco router that is capable of 100 users with out being wayed down this is not an issue i dont think


frankie j

join:2012-04-06

reply to Inssomniak
and right now i have 6 usaers and am having problems my problem isnt equipment its users that are downloading large files playing xbox live and wacthing netflix all at the same time and the problem with mulitple aps is now theres diff network names as well as we already have verizion breathing down are back saying we are infering with their towers and telling us lower the signal so you want me to put up more that aint going to work



Inssomniak
The Glitch
Premium
join:2005-04-06
Cayuga, ON
kudos:1

Look at netequalizer they are a drop in appliance. But I think they start at $3000.
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OptionsDSL Wireless Internet
»www.optionsdsl.ca


frankie j

join:2012-04-06

reply to Inssomniak
is there an ap that can handle that many users and also have the abilty to limit per user bandwidth



Inssomniak
The Glitch
Premium
join:2005-04-06
Cayuga, ON
kudos:1

said by frankie j:

is there an ap that can handle that many users and also have the abilty to limit per user bandwidth

I cant think of anything that is drop-in.

An integraded mikrotik AP/router will allow for maybe 50 and do throttling, but you want drop-in and forget, and that is far from drop-in and forget..

If they have CPEs you can use the built in throttler.

If they are just laptops, you might have one customer at -83 signal trying to stream netflix, that one laptop could be all your problems.

You have to understand how wi-fi works, Im not sure that you do. Throtting will help, but a 54 meg AP can be brought to its knees with just one bad connected client.
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OptionsDSL Wireless Internet
»www.optionsdsl.ca

prairiesky

join:2008-12-08
canada
kudos:2

reply to frankiej
A Single 54 mbps AP will actually only be able to use about 27 mpbs. That means there's lots of room left on your connection.

An AP may claim it can have 500 users, but on those i would be hard pressed to put more than 20.

A pfsense box has a very nice GUI that's really easy to use. In terms of resetting it, you just hit the reset button. You won't have to reset it though. I've had one run for over 478 days and only took it down for an update.

Sell your $500 cisco, buy an alix, install pfsense, and away you go. You can even remotely manage pfsense.

I think the Unifi's might actually be able to rate limit users, worth checking out.


frankie j

join:2012-04-06

okay so a if i run that pfsence and i have two aps already just one isnt hooked up so if i install 2 ten feet apart ill be good for at least 40 users conccurent


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